23 Cape Cruiser HID

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geodans

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Anyone out there familiar, have any knowledge of HID GKX23019A606?
I understand the coding, I'm just asking if anyone here has ever owned or has knowledge of who might have owned this boat or has knowledge of any work done to it? Thanks!
 
I ran the boat name and HIN on "our member list" and there is no 23 with that name or HIN listed. It is possible that the owner did not list the boat there, but it also shows the importance of listing your boat under its name and HIN.
 
My best friend owned a 2006 CC had a 115hp Yamaha & 9.9 Yamaha kicker on it. Had a single burner Wallas stove if I remember correctly it was blue & white.
We fished it quite often in the Columbia, and took it to the Broughtns a couple times.
If it’s the same boat my friend bought it new in California and had it shipped to his home in Hockinson WA. Kept it in his shop when not in use, he is a mechanic (retired) and did all the motor maintenance himself.
He kept it for 4 or 5 years and sold it to someone up Mt. Vernon way, but I’m not positive about that.
Good luck
Big Dave
Raven Dancer.
 
That's awesome! IMHO you definitely win the CC name competition!!

Have you had any water intrusion issues under the floor? if so has it ever caused any other damage? wet core etc?
 
This company (Cape Cruiser Boat Works) is owned by William Sterner and is located at P.o. Box 3834 in Kent state of Wa. It manufactured this vessel and placed your HIN or CIN on the hull. This Boat maker is not owned by a parent company. Cape Cruiser Boat Works has started making boats, yachts or other watercraft as of 2/28/2005 and went out of business on (8/15/2007) in the following country: USA.
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The highest HIN for Cape Cruiser listed was 43. There are some 3pm and 37 listed. It is not clear if there were actual hulls which were acquired by CDory which were complete--or if any hulls were rebadged as C Dory, "Venture 23" with the CDO prefix.

I suspect that there were less than 43, because some build slots are left unfilled, and not always in sequence. After the builder was served the papers, I believe that construction of new boats was haulted.
 
very interesting, I dont know the nitty gritty details, but from a consumers stand point it's a shame that CC was not allowed to continue in competition with C Dory... maybe pay license fee or? but again, I know nothing of their disputes.
 
geodans":31dv1dul said:
very interesting, I dont know the nitty gritty details, but from a consumers stand point it's a shame that CC was not allowed to continue in competition with C Dory... maybe pay license fee or? but again, I know nothing of their disputes.
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Basically, Cape Cruiser was built after Ben Toland sold the C-Dory company. Ben continued to build boats and his design and build was too close to the boat company that he just sold. With a non-competition clause in the agreement when he sold C-Dory, he was sued and the penalty in the court case was such that he had to give up the Cape Cruiser hull molds to C-Dory as a penalty.

We took a tour of the Cape Cruiser factory back in 2006 when it was located in Kent, Wa. at the time. Here we are today with the original Cape Cruiser hull, designed by Ben Toland and the boat is a 2018 C-Dory, 23 Venture Sport.
 
so non compete clause notwithstanding, C-Dory ate the competition... I wonder if the same ruling would be returned today..
What happened to Ben?
 
geodans":2yfdgorh said:
so non compete clause notwithstanding, C-Dory ate the competition... I wonder if the same ruling would be returned today..
What happened to Ben?
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Not really. The economy was about to hit the skids (2008), the then current C-Dory company over-produced for the somewhat limited market (courtesy of a guy at the top who had done that at Bayliner), they put a bunch of $$ into developing a boat that was not popular with their core customer base (the C-Dory 29, with an inboard diesel), they discontinued factory direct sales and service, and then got into the lawsuit with Ben Toland and Cape Cruiser... the result: C-Dory got the Cape Cruiser molds, then they tanked. It was a bad situation for all involved.

C-Dory went through a couple different owners before landing where it is now.

This is just one guy's opinion, but selling a company, signing a non-compete, and then building a product that is so close to the original was a crap move. There was also a situation where employees at C-Dory were secretly working for and/or helping Cape Cruiser get started. The design for CC was obviously based on the classic C-Dory design and look, with what some considered slightly more modern improvements. For the owners of C-Dory at the time, the molds for the CC23 and 26 did nothing to help them... it was just an attempt to stop CC from taking a piece of that niche market. Lose-Lose.
 
I get what you're saying. you agree to non compete and then you do, on the surface looks like a bad faith move.
Ive learned that there is always a few more sides to every story. Obvious questions would revolve around: Was C dory living up to their side of the agreement? who advised them that it was an OK move to start producing the CC and why? I can't see anyone saying "Thanks for all the money and now I'm going to break the contract cause that's the way I roll" Most people have "reasons and justifications". Obviously there was lots of loyalty from the workers so that tells me there was more to the story. Making a bad move on your own in one thing, having a whole crew helping you looks like something else was going on.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not on any "side", it's just an interesting story so I'm curious about how it all turned out the way it did.
 
Have you had any water intrusion issues under the floor? if so has it ever caused any other damage? wet core etc?
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Yes, I have had water under the cabin floor and the cockpit floor.

I had minimal core damage in the cabin floor mostly caused by the screw penetrations of the L brackets that hold down the plywood cabinet dividers and the water tank frame. Thanks to this site, I learned how to repair these - over-drilling holes, routing out the balsa, re-filling with epoxy, then using fiberglass fillets to re-attach the dividers and water tank frame.

I have mostly solved the water-under-the-floor issue by re-sealing the joint between the cockpit floor and the cabin bulkhead, removing and glassing in the factory foam injection holes located on the cockpit deck and also on the cabin bulkhead just below the door. They were originally "plugged" with the plastic plugs from the factory.

I have also removed the windlass, V-berth hatch, and the 2 aft sponson covers and re-installed. (Replaced the 2 aft covers). The worst damage was under the anchor windlass and the V-berth hatch, the damage extended to about 2-3 inches horizontally. Now filled with thickened epoxy.

Oh, and also cut an inspection port in the floor of the cabin near the door so I could keep an eye on the issue. So far (fingers crossed), no more water other than condensation.
 
Thank you! That's very helpful as I continue my search for another CC unicorn or 23 Venture.
The biggest question would be how to identify and address issues deeper under the floor and possibly in the hull and transom if this had been a chronic unresolved issue in an older boat?
Maybe the best course of action would be a pay now for a newer boat as opposed to pay later, maybe even more, by purchasing an older boat that might require major reconstruction due to neglected water issues under the floor, and elsewhere.
 
We need to keep in mind, with all of the cored boats, that the sev ere problem is the exception, not the rule. in the 5 C Dorys I have owned non had major core issues, except the first 25 which had been badly abused, and the price reflected the damage. It had a cockpit floor badly delaminated--and a hole in it. The boat had been left out in the NJ ice and snow for 2 winters, with no cover or shrink wrap. Water had pooled on the deck and in the boat (but hull was fine)--then someone jumped into the cockpit---and. big hole.
 
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