Which Boat? The Envelope Please!

Dave / oldgrowth -


Thanks for the comments about my post. Now to your question:

"Sea Wolf; my wife and I want to take a trip to Shasta Lake this Fall with our 16’ Cruiser and I was wondering how much longer the weather will still be nice down there? Now I consider 70 degree temperature nice, however my wife (Terri) likes it warmer."

Well, it rained here yesterday and today. Might do it again tomorrow. Daytime rainy day temperatures are in the mid-60's. The clear days this time of year are in the 70's to low 80's, but their days are numbered!

Although it varies from year to year, we'll have daytime weather in the 70's or so until about the middle of November, then it will drop into the 60's. Two to four day long rainy / cloudy periods once every other week or so are beginning to make their debut as we slide down from Fall towards Winter.

Like so many other places, it's the random unpredictability that can mess with your plans. We could have a two week Indian Summer the week you pick out for your vacation, or we could have a cold rainy plunge into Winter.

But for the next three weeks, the odds are pretty good that you'll have those 72-80 degree afternoons coupled with nights in the middle 50's that make October and early November the best time of the year here in Northern California!

Let me know if I can answer any more of your questions about your planned trip! Joe.
 
I'm not a big fan of this thread, but I have some humble additions. First, I continue to be impressed by the restraint, maturity and professionalism exhibited by administrators Mike and Bill. We're all fortunate to have these guys at the helm.

Secondly, banning Stuberg or others we deem sarcastic or impertinent it seems to me would simply fuel their agenda and diminish this site's egalitarian charm. We've always demonstrated we're resilient enough to oblige the obdurate, and accommodate those with whom we disagree.
 
Darn, I wasn’t going to add anything else to this thread but I guess I should respond to set things straight.

First of all, Mike (TyBoo) said this when I mentioned that I’ve had a number of private messages from folks that didn't want to write online for fear of being banned:


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I flat out do not believe that. There have been three Users banned from this site, and all three of them were peddling drugs.

Please wipe your feet before you come into my house.

Mike
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Well, Mike, here’s just one example:


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Yeah, the thing you have to keep in mind with the people that started this website is they broke off from the C-DOG website because the owner started editing content that people put on the site if he didn't agree with it and denied them access. Now I'm not saying they're going to edit your content, they have left it alone so far, but when you're in control and have the option of doing that and see something you don't like, I just think it's just a matter of time before they start editing/kicking people off the site and do what was done to them by the old C-DOG site. I hope they're bigger than that, but time will tell. I think Fishtales was one of the guys that broke off, so watch it.

It's just a shame that people have to take this too seriously. I've quit posting on the site because I think it's just a matter of time before this site becomes too politically driven. It's not the same that it used to be. I still visit, but I have no opinion anymore, at least I don't share it. Rather "fly under the radar" if you will, and I own a C-Dory. I'm starting to visit the C-DOG site more now.

I'll look forward to doing a cruise with you.
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Secondly, Dave (oldgrowth) thinks my name should be Stupidberg. Actually, when it comes to boats I’m not going to disagree with him. I don’t know a lot about boats which is why I joined this site. Unfortunately, I don’t think he was trying to describe my boating skills, however. That may have been a comment that was not “Just Be Nice.” I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt, though.

An interesting fact is that I was locked out of the site this morning. Seriously, my IP was being routed to another site. But it seems as if cooler heads have prevailed because I can once again access the site.

Lastly, thanks for the many nice private comments like this one:


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Don't let the CC vs C-Dory thing get to you. Most of us are fine with your choice and are interested in how the boat performs. What really pissed a lot of people off to begin with though was a post from someone (I think from a new CC dealer or perhaps from CC itself) that was a plant - e.g. someone pretending to be a normal group participate that pointed out that there was a cool new boat under construction in the old C-Dory plant. Da Nag pegged the post as a likely plant based on " - account has only one post, Hotmail email address, no profile information, subject and body sounds a little too much like an ad, no response to the many follow-ups)". Interestingly, the guy never posted ever again. One post total, so I think DaNag was probably correct.

After that, there were a bunch of rumors about the boat and those who left the CD plant etc that were only recently address by one of the Tolands. I accept their explanation of what they can and cannot legally and ethically do but we probably never would have gotten here if it wasn't for that first suspicious post.

Regardless, it would appear that the CC may in fact be a better boat and I'm willing to admit that even though I have more than $55k in my CD. If I were to purchase today, don't know what choice I would make. But I'm not purchasing today, I purchased 3 years ago and the CD was definitely the best option for me then. I'm very happy with both the boat and the good treatment I rec'd at the factory and my sense is that the factory QC and service has gotten better after the departure of some who went to CC. (I have objective reasons for saying that not just that I have a CD).

Have fun with your new boat and I hope to cross paths with you someday.
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You have outstanding people on this site!

So as long as I don’t get locked out, I’ll be hanging around.

:-)
 
Mr. Stuberg.

Welcome to my favorite site on the web. With over 1,000 regular members, many of them very experienced boaters, there is a wealth of knowledge here -- and most of the owners are willing to share. I've been on the site from the beginning and the friendly interchange of info and personal relationships have been a real source of pleasure for this 85 year old guy.

Congratulations on your purchase. There's no doubt in my mind that it's a fine boat and I wish you years of pleasure. With my past ownership of 5 C-Dory 22's, a Tomcat (C-Dory built), and Orca (C-Dory built) it's obvious I'm a C-Dory guy -- and because I'm an unlimited tonnage ocean master I have enough experience to appreciate their sea-keeping ability and functional design. Because I've known many of the people who build the CC for years, I have every confidence it is also a seaworthy and extremely well-built vessel.

C-Dory better than CC? With many years aboard the C-Dory in all kinds of weather and none in the CC I'm not qualified to comment and would be foolish to hazard a guess. From past experience, starting in 1942 when John Scott and I started Scottycraft, I've found the marketplace to be the most important judge of overall quality, dealer support, factory support, and marketing. Time will tell, eh?

Banned from our site? Not to worry -- I know both the principals personally, and I'd be in shock if they banned you or anyone else. I've also been a C-Dog from near the beginning, and have posted quite a bit of radar information there -- both great places.

Warm welcome to you,

Dusty
 
I am with Brock. I am not a fan of this thread at all.
Stuberg, I hope the people that PM'ed you are OK with you posting their private messages on this post.
 
Hi Dusty!

Thanks so much for the nice message. In reading through a number of the old threads, I can tell that there is a wealth of information here.

Thanks also for the lead on finding more radar information. I’m thinking of going with the Raymarine C-Series C-80 setup. Their site really showcases their products and everything that they can do.

I’m especially curious about how the AutoPilot features work. It would be way cool to plot in a destination and then just sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
Anita Marie,

You'll notice that I did not include any information to identify who those private messages came from. They shall remain anonymous.

I'm sorry that everyone has not enjoyed this thread. That's the good thing about a site like this where you can choose which threads to take part in and which ones to pass on.

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flagold,

Was it troll or trawl you were trying to refer to? It seems as if a thread about trawling would fit right in. I'm not rigged for that at all.

:-)
 
Stuberg":1ur8ma6l said:
An interesting fact is that I was locked out of the site this morning. Seriously, my IP was being routed to another site. But it seems as if cooler heads have prevailed because I can once again access the site.
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Disclaimer: I'm done being nice.

Stuberg...while I find your recent posts and attitude annoying, that's easy to ignore, and just my personal opinion - I'm sure plenty of folks have no problem with you here.

What's not easy to ignore, is the inflammatory pile of dung you posted above. I'd accuse you of outright lying, but it's possible you're just technically clueless.

While long time members around here know Mike and I well enough to doubt the claim you just made, new folks and future readers don't.

Let's be clear: I'm the only one here with the ability to modify the server to route your C-Brat page requests elsewhere, and it did not happen.

Additionally, if Mike or I wanted to lock you out of here, there's no need to go to such extreme technical measures as re-routing your IP address. The forum software handles that very easily, and performs the job better. Two mouse clicks, and you would be greeted with the ban message. And it wouldn't just apply to one IP address - you would be unable to login and post from anywhere.

Here's a fact for you: In the last 48 hours, I've been contacted by three long-time members, each asking that we kick your annoying butt out of here. Even though these are good friends, contributing far more to this site than you ever will, each of them received the same response Mike made here earlier - we don't do that. I'll not follow your ethical lapse by posting private correspondence in a public forum, so you're free to assume I'm making it up.

Point is...we just had our 2 year anniversary at this site 3 days ago. In all that time, through thousands of posts and an occasional heated discussion, banning a member has never been requested of me. I've had plenty of emails outlining frustration with members, but none have suggested we ban the offender. You sir, are the first. Something tells me it's a badge you'll wear proudly.

C-Brats - my apologies for losing my cool here. Please continue to look to TyBoo as the standard by which all site moderators should be judged - he is an absolute pro at dealing with people, far better than I'll ever be. I'm a better person after watching and attempting to emulate him for the last couple years, and I'm fairly certain this is not the kind of post he'd like to see coming from me.

It's probably not what many of you would like to see here either, but my patience ended with stuberg's false accusation above, and I'm not going to sit by silently while some troll tosses bogus allegations my way.
 
Da Nag,

What I stated is exactly what happened. I don't know who, what, where, or how but I stand by what I said. I've never seen an IP address or registered user forwarded to another site without someone doing something.

I never accused you of anything. I simply stated what happened.

Enough said.

I really think we should focus on boating issues now.
 
Stuberg":3m1hu01n said:
I never accused you of anything. I simply stated what happened.
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Earlier today...

Stuberg":3m1hu01n said:
Seriously, my IP was being routed to another site. But it seems as if cooler heads have prevailed because I can once again access the site.
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My emphasis added. Now tell me again how you didn't accuse anyone of anything. Who's "cooler heads" were you referring to?

Stuberg":3m1hu01n said:
Enough said.
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Agreed. And as long as you can keep future baseless accusations to yourself, you'll hear nothing further from me. I've worked too damn long and hard on this site, for nothing more than the enjoyment of having a cool place to hang with my friends. Last thing in the world I'm going to put up with is the suggestion Mike or I are doing anything underhanded.
 
tyboo, I did write a private post to the new cc owner. you should not call people liers with out proof. I will now post a copy of the letter here. but first I would like to say some thing. several people , fishtales being the worst, are not serving this site very well by tring to run off a nice guy. I come here to relax and share my love of boating and fishing with anyone that wants to share back. I dont care what they drive (even hondas) or how they fish its all the same to me. A friend of mine just choose a c-dory over a cc, but i would want him to feel at home here even if his choice went the other way as sea rams friend has. We are not talking about baylines here, but if one of them knew were to get shrimp i would put up with him. Up until now there was not another boat that did what the c-dory does so there was no reason to include bayliner or trohpys or nortic tugs (hi pat) . but now there are two boats that fill the same purpose and style. both built by some of the same people and I for one find this to be a wonderful thing and open my arms to the cc crowd. I can find no reason at all not to accept them into our site, unless they come in yellow blazers. I just dont want this to turn into a yacth club. when I was into bikes my freind rode everything from harleys to yamahas to hondas and nortans. when I was into wheeling it was ford chevy toyota and benz. There were clubs that only cares about the make of youor rig and not the quality of its members. I would not like to see that here and the unfriendly post here hav me worried. anyway heres my letter

Glad to see that you bought the boat that you think is best. I also think the cape cruisers is the better boat. If it had been around when I bought my boat then I may not have gotten my boat. Sorry that the group is acting like a bunch of a- holes, but for some reason they are worried that they bought the wrong boat. I have talked at length with several of these people about there likes and dislikes of the c-dory and I believe that cape cruiser has fixed many of the short comings of the design. I just cant figure out why the fuss and hostility from these people. It really is disappointing to see. Well have fun with your boat and feel free to send reports of the performance after you get it. If you are every in my area (washington state) let us know and we can show you the area.
 
Hi Tom, you might want to go back and read Mike's post. I do not think he was calling anyone a lier. From all the posts that I have read I have never seen a comment by him or Bill about banning anyone from this site or did I see anything in your PM about it. If anything they reject this as policy. Banning or threatening to ban was brought up by STUBERG.
Boats are boats but this site is much more. I consider Mike and Bill of high character. They have shown this to all in the last two years.
I am done with this.

Fred
 
Fred what mike said is that he " flat out did not beleive it" well thats the same as call some one a lier. I like mike a lot but when I was one of the people that wrote a pm I got a little affonded. I do think that the treatment here of stuburg and the cape cruiser are for the wrong reasons. And I just dont get why anyone would be bashing this boat or its first owner to post. I would rather talk fishng or politics anyday. I say we rest start over and reshack hands like mom use to make us do as kids. :hug :hug2 :love
 
I used to have a boss that could make a derogatory statement to your face all the while smiling and not have a clue that you could possibly be offended. That is what stuberg does best, and is why he's becoming irritating to me. It has nothing to do with him having a different boat or opinion it's some of the statements that are made with a smile that annoys.

I went back and re-read his original "review". On the surface it seems balanced but after awhile it just starts to sound like an advertisement for the CC. I too was curious as to how the CC compared to the C-dory and don't mind getting hands on reviews. That being said there were just some things that were said in the original post that makes me suspicious of it's helpful intent. I think it's great that he found a boat that works for his purposes but I didn't join the C-brats to talk about CC modifications, troubleshooting ect. and hope this site doesn't turn into that.

This statement to me really annoys me in how it's phrased. Maybe I'm being sensitive and nothing was meant by it.

Stuberg Said
While I said that I think the Cape Cruiser Venture 23 is the better boat, I think it is best compared to the C-Dory 22. Given that comparison, I think it has better features, advantages, and benefits. You truly get more for your money
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Stuberg what do you mean that you get more for your money. How much did you pay for your CC and what do you get with that?


Ok I'm done. :teeth
 
Da Nag;

I consider myself a newcomer to your site. I have learned a tremendous amount about boating and ethics from reading the post on this site. It is a site I visit often, maybe more than any other site and I have two web sites of my own and manage around a dozen others.

My first official post to your site was to stupidberg’s thread. I was so mad at what he has done to the wonderful people of this site, I drafted a response to him but cooled down before hitting the submit button.

You are a better man than I in controlling your anger from someone like stupidberg. Because of the obvious fact that he is troll and probably a plant for Cape Cruiser Boats just to undermine the C-Dory boat, I would have absolutely no problem if he is banned.

He is not interested in learning anything from the folk’s here, or being involved in any positive exchange with the people here. I will not respond to him and I believe that would be the best course for everybody that is as irritated with him as me.

You and Tyboo have a great site and I hope stupidberg does not ruin it.

Dave
 
Hi starcrafttom!

Great idea:

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I say we rest start over and reshack hands like mom use to make us do as kids.
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I agree 100%. I'll even do my best to get people to forget that I went over to the dark side and bought the wrong boat.

This reminds me of when I got into computers back in 1984. Everybody told me to buy an IBM and I went out and bought a Macintosh. My friends still kid me about it but I'm still typing away on my Mac.

Thanks again starcrafttom!
 
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