Which Boat? The Envelope Please!

Now them there's fightin' words flapbreaker!

:-)

Everyone knows that Hondas are the far superior bike!

;-)

And as for pointing out differences and what people think is better, that's what it's all about in my opinion. I found that I loved many things about the C-Dory boat but the pounding in waves was a bit annoying. If I were a C-Dory owner, I would like to know how others think my boat compares in various areas so that if decide to get another boat in the future, I'd have valuable feedback about what's happening in the marketplace. It might at least lead me to the acid test which is a test drive for myself.

What if it was possible to have the fuel efficiency and the low speed planing of the C-Dory with greater speed and less pounding? Wouldn't that be a good thing? Wouldn't it be cool if you could actually adjust the hull for different boating demands? It's by comparing and thinking outside of the box that brings about improvement.
 
I also agree with most of the above. Glad you got the boat you wanted. I am mainly interested in PEOPLE news, and what you did on, in (OK maybe not THAT!), with, or to your C-DORY!!! I have a Dodge truck....
 
Stuberg":1i5xqh34 said:
Everyone knows that Hondas are the far superior bike!

;-)
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Well I sure wouldn't want to the the harley owners that while I'm at their gathering. :wink:

Anyway I did find the camparison interesting and informative.


You've mentioned that the c-dory pounds alot on chop. I heard this quite a bit from others as well so I was rather concerned when I bought mine without ever riding in one. So far I am impressed with how it handles chop, especially other boats wake. I grew up riding around in an Arima and that thing pounded. Even my dad who didn't know much about the c-dory other than "it has a flat bottom and will pound" has been impressed with how it seems to cut right through. I'm sure I'll find some water where it pounds a little more but it hasn't been anything like I feared it would be. :thup
 
Stuberg,
Have you and one or two friends ever gone to one cockpit side of a deep V hull at the same time while not under way to attend to a fishline or for any other reason? Good luck! I do not think ocean racing under power in rough seas is what the C-Dory is about.
Wallace
 
Hi Wallace!

I don't think you can say that the Cape Cruiser has a deep V hull. It has more of a V than the C-Dory but it's not much. It seems to be just enough to provide the option for more speed and less pounding along with all of the other great benefits of the C-Dory standard hull. It also seemed very stable no matter where I was on the boat.

Once I have the boat and can spend a few days on it, I'll be able to hook some fish and see if I still feel good about everything. Of course, if I fall off of the boat whilst reeling in a King Salmon, it may be a matter of "user error" as opposed to a faulty design.

:-)

Robert
 
The "pounding in a chop" complaint has been around a long time. But usually it is only heard from folks who have not yet learned the personality of the hull and those who have not ran it with trim tabs. Oh, and it is the favorite complaint from people who have never been on a C-Dory.

The truth is, if you load a CD22 sensibly (not scientifically, just consciously), learn the quirks of the hull (and there really are not that many), and put the right trim tabs on it (and learn to use them), it does not pound in a chop if driven with common sense as defined by the conditions. The same is true with just about any boat, and just about any boat will pound in a chop if the basics are not followed.

With the CD22 I had, I could make it run very nicely in the CR chop, the CR bar exagerated chop, and the Pacific swells/wind waves by simply adjusting it ideally and running it sensibly. And the speed reduction was not really that great. The C-Dory 22 does not pound in the chop all by itself; it pounds because the operator allows it to. And it doesn't require an extra half ton to make it smooth.

So I say we should file the pounding idea away with the "not enough freeboard" claim so often mistakenly made by people who read it once on The Hull Truth or the Arima Owners Group. And if DoD comes out of hibernation and wants to explain to me how wrong I am, I ain't gonna pay a lick of attention to him until he has Bennett M120 Sport Tabs on and sea trialed.
 
As a Harley owner who has owned 6 Hondas I can rightfully say they are both great manufacturers but I won't go back to a Honda. I LOVE MY HAWG :)

I look at the CC in a similar light.

And if DoD comes out of hibernation and wants to explain to me how wrong I am, I ain't gonna pay a lick of attention to him until he has Bennett M120 Sport Tabs on and sea trialed.
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Only M120's Mike? So what size do you think the 27' should have?

Now, as to the deep V comment. With only a 5 degree deadrise aft there is no way you can call the CC a deep V. Heck, my Jet Sled has more V at 12 degrees! However, the way that both the C-Dory and CC are better in rough water is that they both have a very deep V in the bow that transitions to a flatter hull aft. The transition is what makes the boat either have a softer ride or one that pounds. My sled is 12 degrees from front to back. Let me tell you that it pounds unless you slow down to its comfort zone! My guess is that after nearly 25 years since the initial C-Dory design Ben Toland had some ideas to help make that transition further aft without having to give up too much in the way of fuel consumption. Time will tell I suppose.

Just like the Harley, Honda statement above I think they are both great boats and look forward to my first ride in the CC but I'll still keep my 27 for a while longer :)
 
You want a REAL deep-v boat? Try 22-24.5 degrees AT THE STERN. Makes for a real knife to ride deep in and cut through the chop, although you have to have three times the horsepower of a fuel-efficient C-Dory.

Even 15-20 degrees is considered a modified-v by some. And when you come off plane, any deep or modified deep-v boat wallows from side to side from the lack of form stability found in the flatter hulls.

Furthermore, when the going gets really rough and the deep-v guys have to come off plane, the C-Dorys chug right on by as the d-v boys get the rock and roll on all three frequencies, pitch, roll, and yaw.

I'll take the C-Dory any day, thank you! Joe.
 
gljjr":2m8d072i said:
As a Harley owner who has owned 6 Hondas I can rightfully say they are both great manufacturers but I won't go back to a Honda. I LOVE MY HAWG :)
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With the 27, you could put the Harley in cockpit and, with the right stand and proper rigging, use it to power the boat. Might get you on the water sooner... :lol:
 
Now this is what I'm talking about ... some real creativity!

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With the 27, you could put the Harley in cockpit and, with the right stand and proper rigging, use it to power the boat. Might get you on the water sooner...
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Why must I buy a new Honda BF150 to power my boat when I already have a Honda motorcyle and ATV? Why not be able to drive one of those onboard to power the boat?

I think I'll forward this idea to Ben Toland to get him thinking. I already have Mark Toland working on a potato cannon that I can mount on the boat. Nothing like being able to fire a volley of potatoes off the port bow when attacked at C-Dory gatherings.

:-)

It's all in good fun!
 
I'm sure the CC is a very fine boat. And the difference in deadrise is not enough to eliminate the "pounding". If I read your post right, you have not yet taken delivery of your CC. I would guess the smother ride you experienced was more a matter of sea conditions then deadrise. Time will tell.
I for one would welcome a CC at a gathering, my beef is the business ethics of the Cape Cruiser. I don't know the details of the sale between the two groups, (really, it's non of my business),but something does not look right.
 
"my beef is the business ethics of the Cape Cruiser."

BINGO!

The 12" draft that suddenly got changed to 8" when a few of us pointed out that it wouldn't go where we boat comes to mind . . .
 
There's an interesting book entitled "How to Lie with Statistics." It basically says you can make any point you want with some creative use of statistics. Personally, I think all of the statistics may need a bit of updating. Someone told me that the C-Dory stats on their website are from many years ago and things have changed.

It would be interesting to have an independent party give us the exact stats. In the meantime, I think we should all just pick the stats we like best and argue about those.

:-)

Seriously, it would be cool to have someone who knows what they are doing give us the full poop and nothing but the poop.

In terms of the draft deal, isn't it true that the boats will basically have the exact same draft when the engine is down? It seems like that might be a statistic worth examining.
 
Draft is an extremely important consideration in a cruising boat, perhaps not so much so in a weekend fisher (which is what the CC is).

Draft: the base draft effects the total clearance of prop skeg and the higher the ability of the engine to trim up and the lighter the weight of it, the more ability to use the full capability of the boat.

Where you can go and what you can do to utilize your boat fully depends on the draft: whether you can get into a small cove on the Tombigbee or have to anchor out with the barges depends on draft. Whether you can beach your boat and get it off easily depends on draft. Whether you can get across a tide flat on a lowering tide or have to spend the night with sandfleas depends on draft. Inches do matter in this case!

The means: a C-Dory (fully loaded) powering across a tidal flat (Mercury trims higher).

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The destination: a small island used for camping.

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The draft I'm motoring in:

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You will be pleased to know this is my last post on this subject as I wish to give the CC no more free advertising unless they pay for it. They have invested not dime one in helping build nor maintain this website nor contributed post one to maintaining our boats to my knowledge, and blind posts on the CC are simply designed to bleed newcomers off without paying for advertising in my opinion which is another ethical problem I have with them. There are plenty of brands out there -- but if you want the combination of economy, ease of use, full cruising abilities, small tow vehicle, etc., there is still one: C-Dory. Want a big bruiser no nonsense boat: run right past that CC to Parker . . . as a CG Master having owned numerous boats and chartered many more -- I'm entitled to my opinion.

Good luck with your boat.
 
I'm with you Mr. Flagold. From this day on, I choose to ignore this topic as well as any other future topics submtted in this light or by the same individuals regardless of the topic. If we all did the same, these topics won't show up on the front page for long and they will soon tire.

Lovin my C-DORY. Tim
 
Great post, Flagold - that last picture of you, standing in the water next to your C-Dory, speaks a thousand words.
 
Flagold,
I agree with you.
Also like the pictures, but I have to ask--- a dive flag in knee deep water? :lol: great shots! Thanks for the laugh.
Would like to dive warm water sometime- without 7 mils of neoprene to keep warm in.
 
Well as long as that last post was your last post Flagold, I must say I like your photos. Great surroundings! I do have to say, however, that you look rather angry in the last photo where you're standing by the boat.

Isn't boating supposed to be fun?

Aren't you happy with your boat?

You're not stuck on the bottom are you?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself! Just trying to be nice!

:-)
 
Well Flagold, maybe after your comments, one of the C-Brats might want to answer my topic , under general technical discussion? Had 108 views 0 replies . Gary SEARAM
 
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