starcrafttom
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I need to come up with a price for my 84 27ft cdory. Those of you that know the boat and have been aboard please pitch in, No its not for sale.
what is my 27 worth
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starcrafttom
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oh come on, some one must have a opinion....
Tom,
Do you have a separate album for it? A few pictures and a bit more detail would be useful if you want folks to estimate the value. Not everyone here is that familiar with the boat. I've only seen a few pictures of it and don't recall details like power, electronics etc.
Do you have a separate album for it? A few pictures and a bit more detail would be useful if you want folks to estimate the value. Not everyone here is that familiar with the boat. I've only seen a few pictures of it and don't recall details like power, electronics etc.
PaulNBriannaLynn
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I'll bite.. I'm gonna guess $45k - 50k but I have no clue. The other 27 that was in for sale in Everett had an inboard motor and needed a lot of work. I can't recall exactly but I think they wanted $30k for that one.
For a fisherman its the ultimate C-dory. I've wished so many times our cockpit was longer but I wouldn't want to give up the room inside our cabin. The 25' doesn't solve this issue. Just my opinion.
For a fisherman its the ultimate C-dory. I've wished so many times our cockpit was longer but I wouldn't want to give up the room inside our cabin. The 25' doesn't solve this issue. Just my opinion.
My guess is somewhere between the last two guesses.
While there are exceptions, my assumption is the primary market is for serious fishermen. At $25K, it's competing against 22 Anglers - and given the choice between the 22 and 27, I think most would opt for the 27 in a heartbeat for the same price.
However, at $45-50K - while we're all aware how rare/unique the 27 is, most folks will view that as a ton of money for an old boat. And, it places it in direct competition for many other nice fishing vessels of newer vintage.
That's my rationale for suggesting $35K. But, as already mentioned - if you find the buyer who is looking for this model specifically, you could certainly net more.
While there are exceptions, my assumption is the primary market is for serious fishermen. At $25K, it's competing against 22 Anglers - and given the choice between the 22 and 27, I think most would opt for the 27 in a heartbeat for the same price.
However, at $45-50K - while we're all aware how rare/unique the 27 is, most folks will view that as a ton of money for an old boat. And, it places it in direct competition for many other nice fishing vessels of newer vintage.
That's my rationale for suggesting $35K. But, as already mentioned - if you find the buyer who is looking for this model specifically, you could certainly net more.
Ah, the downside of buying a relatively unique boat. If you are just looking for value for insurance, you can go with "stated value", where you and the insurance company agree that, in a total loss, that is the value they will pay.
If you are looking for value to determine net worth, I think any of the numbers stated above are valid.
If you are looking to sell or trade, that is a whole 'nuther thing. You see the value of a unique boat like the 27; many others would consider it "an old boat." I know you have done work to it to bring to your standards.
A surveyor will be able to give you a professional opinion of replacement value, which a bank or insurance company may or may not take at face value.
If you are looking for value to determine net worth, I think any of the numbers stated above are valid.
If you are looking to sell or trade, that is a whole 'nuther thing. You see the value of a unique boat like the 27; many others would consider it "an old boat." I know you have done work to it to bring to your standards.
A surveyor will be able to give you a professional opinion of replacement value, which a bank or insurance company may or may not take at face value.
starcrafttom
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double post sorry
starcrafttom
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Well I guess I have to clear up a few things. I thought that more people were familiar with the boat.
It is not just a over sized fishing boat and the aft deck does not take any thing away from the cabin. In fact my cabin has more room and storage then any 25. The 27 has a stand up head and a 20 gallon holding tank ( we can argue about holding vs compost some other time) . A full floor to ceiling closet, deep sink, two burner cook top. a true 4 person table that makes in to a real bed. More storage then a 25 and a refrigerator. The only down side is that the table is so big and the full size closet blocks the view aft that the interior looks crowded. It is also dark wood that makes it look smaller then it is. I was thinking of reducing the table and booth to allow the walk way to be wider but even then the table would be bigger then a 25.
The v bert is over 7"6 long and 8 ft wide. It a huge amount of space with a lot of head room too. I have two heaters, one electric and one diesel. Both on thermostats.
The back deck is full covered and enclosed with a two bikini top. The nice thing is you can remover the aft one and still have 4 ft by 7 ft of covered area ( the size of a 25's whole back deck) and have the back 5 by 7 feet open to fishing. We have enclosed the whole deck and hosted 6 people with no crowding.
Rear steering and throttles for both the main and the 16 hp kicker make running the two cannon bottom following downriggers a breeze not to mention docking.
Large full hull swim step makes getting on and off the boat from the dock or the water easy. We use the area for stepping in and out of the dingy or the kayaks.
The aft storage under the deck is 20 inch tall and 7 by 7 feet. That's more storage then the 25 has back deck. I can not tell you how much this space has made staying aboard more comfortable for me and Susan. Now all my stuff is not taking room from her stuff. I don't have to tie crab pots or chairs or extra coolers to the roof. It all goes in the hold. I don't have to shuffle stuff around the back deck depending on what we are doing.
The 225 honda. Yes is a bigger motor they most of the 25's but i always felt the 25s were under powered any how. Could I get by with less? yes but it was there when I bought it and only has 600 hours on it so far ( ?) I will check on that. Had less he 200 when I bought the boat. The 225 will push the boat to 35 to 40 mph depending on load. We cruise at 25- 30 all the time. She planes at 13 to 14 mph and gets the same 2.2 to 2.5 mph at 13 as it does at 30. At 15 to 18 the hull is firmly in the water with no banging at all while we cook. At 25 to 30 if the chop is above 2 ft you get a little banging until you hit the trim tabs and lower the nose, not the speed.
Sorry if that sounds like a infomercial but I did not want people to think that the Susan E was a over sized angler that gave up cabin to have more deck. Oh and its a true self draining deck with a total of 8 drains. 4 are 6 inch drains with removable covers. Two are small 1/2 drains on the sides and 2 more 1/2 at the rear with scupper valves.
There is also the following
windless ( its off a 40 sail boat so its much bigger then most on cdorys) with 100 ft of chain and 300 rode (?)
raymarine c80 with radar and fish finder
vhf
3 batteries on switches with on board chargers.
rigged for downriggers and pot pullers.
Wash down pump and hose
bait table.
We look around the boat show and there is nothing that replaces this boat for under 200k. All the large alun boats like northriver and weldcraft have not cabin space and very small v-berths that I dont fit in at all. The sea sport cabins are smaller and their decks are smaller too unless you go to a out board then its two 200 plus motors .
I know I can't compare it to a new boat but and its closer to a 25 then any thing just with more storage , deck,speed and better fuel burn ( from what I have been told by people with 25's when talking about mpg) .
So I would think that 40 is to low but I don't see anything else on the market with the speed range and space under 60. Its almost a cross between a 25 and a tom cat as far as performance and space??
It is not just a over sized fishing boat and the aft deck does not take any thing away from the cabin. In fact my cabin has more room and storage then any 25. The 27 has a stand up head and a 20 gallon holding tank ( we can argue about holding vs compost some other time) . A full floor to ceiling closet, deep sink, two burner cook top. a true 4 person table that makes in to a real bed. More storage then a 25 and a refrigerator. The only down side is that the table is so big and the full size closet blocks the view aft that the interior looks crowded. It is also dark wood that makes it look smaller then it is. I was thinking of reducing the table and booth to allow the walk way to be wider but even then the table would be bigger then a 25.
The v bert is over 7"6 long and 8 ft wide. It a huge amount of space with a lot of head room too. I have two heaters, one electric and one diesel. Both on thermostats.
The back deck is full covered and enclosed with a two bikini top. The nice thing is you can remover the aft one and still have 4 ft by 7 ft of covered area ( the size of a 25's whole back deck) and have the back 5 by 7 feet open to fishing. We have enclosed the whole deck and hosted 6 people with no crowding.
Rear steering and throttles for both the main and the 16 hp kicker make running the two cannon bottom following downriggers a breeze not to mention docking.
Large full hull swim step makes getting on and off the boat from the dock or the water easy. We use the area for stepping in and out of the dingy or the kayaks.
The aft storage under the deck is 20 inch tall and 7 by 7 feet. That's more storage then the 25 has back deck. I can not tell you how much this space has made staying aboard more comfortable for me and Susan. Now all my stuff is not taking room from her stuff. I don't have to tie crab pots or chairs or extra coolers to the roof. It all goes in the hold. I don't have to shuffle stuff around the back deck depending on what we are doing.
The 225 honda. Yes is a bigger motor they most of the 25's but i always felt the 25s were under powered any how. Could I get by with less? yes but it was there when I bought it and only has 600 hours on it so far ( ?) I will check on that. Had less he 200 when I bought the boat. The 225 will push the boat to 35 to 40 mph depending on load. We cruise at 25- 30 all the time. She planes at 13 to 14 mph and gets the same 2.2 to 2.5 mph at 13 as it does at 30. At 15 to 18 the hull is firmly in the water with no banging at all while we cook. At 25 to 30 if the chop is above 2 ft you get a little banging until you hit the trim tabs and lower the nose, not the speed.
Sorry if that sounds like a infomercial but I did not want people to think that the Susan E was a over sized angler that gave up cabin to have more deck. Oh and its a true self draining deck with a total of 8 drains. 4 are 6 inch drains with removable covers. Two are small 1/2 drains on the sides and 2 more 1/2 at the rear with scupper valves.
There is also the following
windless ( its off a 40 sail boat so its much bigger then most on cdorys) with 100 ft of chain and 300 rode (?)
raymarine c80 with radar and fish finder
vhf
3 batteries on switches with on board chargers.
rigged for downriggers and pot pullers.
Wash down pump and hose
bait table.
We look around the boat show and there is nothing that replaces this boat for under 200k. All the large alun boats like northriver and weldcraft have not cabin space and very small v-berths that I dont fit in at all. The sea sport cabins are smaller and their decks are smaller too unless you go to a out board then its two 200 plus motors .
I know I can't compare it to a new boat but and its closer to a 25 then any thing just with more storage , deck,speed and better fuel burn ( from what I have been told by people with 25's when talking about mpg) .
So I would think that 40 is to low but I don't see anything else on the market with the speed range and space under 60. Its almost a cross between a 25 and a tom cat as far as performance and space??
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Why are you asking?
For me it is one of my favorites on this site.
Stefan
For me it is one of my favorites on this site.
Stefan
Tom,
Your boat is a special unit in that not many were made, most have been modified, and as you pointed out, few are configured like your 27. This uniqueness makes your boat difficult if not impossible to value.
When we sold our 1992 25 Bounty, we encountered the same problem, when the buyer of our boat asked his surveyor for a fair market value. So few of these boats come to market, that valuation is determined by each sale. Find someone with a vision for your boat and you may be able to name your price.
Great boat and good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Jerry
Your boat is a special unit in that not many were made, most have been modified, and as you pointed out, few are configured like your 27. This uniqueness makes your boat difficult if not impossible to value.
When we sold our 1992 25 Bounty, we encountered the same problem, when the buyer of our boat asked his surveyor for a fair market value. So few of these boats come to market, that valuation is determined by each sale. Find someone with a vision for your boat and you may be able to name your price.
Great boat and good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Jerry
PaulNBriannaLynn
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A Fishin C":1whefsem said:
It's also our favorite. When we saw you and Susan at Laconner, I must admit we had cockpit envy. I was thinking if we paid around 30k for our boat, what would I expect to pay for a 27 like yours. It would have to be at least 40k. The age of the boat isn't as relative, when you have a newer motor and electronics, and the boat is in great shape from what we saw.
Its a small market for your boat, but not that small here in the PNW, there's lots of fisherman willing to drop 130k on a new north river or hewes. Your right, what else would you get for the money?
If you decide to sell it for less than 40k, I'm hoping to be the guy you sell it to :smile
Tom, with you and Susan just coming off your Seattle Boat Show Sunday in water visit ..this is a very interesting question ...particularly..if it is not for sale.
Is Susan attempting to figure out which is more beneficial to insure??? You or the boat?
If a boatless person is looking for a great fishing boat, about 25-30' long with both a good size cabin and a good size cockpit, .well....That makes your boat special..if they could pay cash....but that would not come into play because it is not for sale.
They could take their child/grandchildren (s) fishing for the 3 years between ages 12 & 15. Dad/Paw-Paw aint cool once kid hits 16, gets drivers license and car. So that guy needs to buy the boat pronto and share some great times together.
Say after 7 days and nights of tossing this around...the group comes up with an agreed upon not for sale...sale price of $35,000.
Tom is donating the proceeds of his boat to a charity auction because Susan will not let him buy another garage and put in their yard...he must limit himself to the two buildings he has now if he...THEY want that boat they were on Sunday. Man, if only the Super Bowl was in Seattle yesterday this year Tom... Timing is everything.
Bidding against each other starts rapidly for the 3 local guys who went to school at the same school the money is being raised for...you may get $38-$45 depending on just how much I WANT THAT SPECIAL BOAT AND I GET WHAT I WANT ...thing going on. I know none of us males have ever done that at an auction after few beers...or any of the ladies bidding on press box football tickets because it is a donation to the nursing school or that SPA package on the first night of the cruise. What a deal!
Those folks do not show up. It rains the day of the auction. Most folks from that school do not show up because they may get their car tires dirty pulling off the hardball onto the grass.
The only buyers "competing" to purchase your boat...are young guns right out of college. They can not pay cash, but no worries... they are pre-approved for a boat loan for this fund raiser. How you may ask...because Tom took the VP of the bank fishing last season and his family too has been going to this school for generations. They could more than likely borrow $18,500 to 25,000 to buy your 1985 old used cool rigged out fishing boat. The boat is one bad fishing machine!
Tom cuts a deal with the banker, the school, and the highest young bidder...and takes the $25,00 which is financed for 20 years because it too can be considered a second home mortgage. To get Tom closer to the groups "agreed upon" not for sale ...sale value..of $35,000 a quick flip of the pen and receipt book...the school gives Tom a bogus receipt for a $10,000 cash donation.
So Tom...what are yall looking at?
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Is Susan attempting to figure out which is more beneficial to insure??? You or the boat?
If a boatless person is looking for a great fishing boat, about 25-30' long with both a good size cabin and a good size cockpit, .well....That makes your boat special..if they could pay cash....but that would not come into play because it is not for sale.
They could take their child/grandchildren (s) fishing for the 3 years between ages 12 & 15. Dad/Paw-Paw aint cool once kid hits 16, gets drivers license and car. So that guy needs to buy the boat pronto and share some great times together.
Say after 7 days and nights of tossing this around...the group comes up with an agreed upon not for sale...sale price of $35,000.
Tom is donating the proceeds of his boat to a charity auction because Susan will not let him buy another garage and put in their yard...he must limit himself to the two buildings he has now if he...THEY want that boat they were on Sunday. Man, if only the Super Bowl was in Seattle yesterday this year Tom... Timing is everything.
Bidding against each other starts rapidly for the 3 local guys who went to school at the same school the money is being raised for...you may get $38-$45 depending on just how much I WANT THAT SPECIAL BOAT AND I GET WHAT I WANT ...thing going on. I know none of us males have ever done that at an auction after few beers...or any of the ladies bidding on press box football tickets because it is a donation to the nursing school or that SPA package on the first night of the cruise. What a deal!
Those folks do not show up. It rains the day of the auction. Most folks from that school do not show up because they may get their car tires dirty pulling off the hardball onto the grass.
The only buyers "competing" to purchase your boat...are young guns right out of college. They can not pay cash, but no worries... they are pre-approved for a boat loan for this fund raiser. How you may ask...because Tom took the VP of the bank fishing last season and his family too has been going to this school for generations. They could more than likely borrow $18,500 to 25,000 to buy your 1985 old used cool rigged out fishing boat. The boat is one bad fishing machine!
Tom cuts a deal with the banker, the school, and the highest young bidder...and takes the $25,00 which is financed for 20 years because it too can be considered a second home mortgage. To get Tom closer to the groups "agreed upon" not for sale ...sale value..of $35,000 a quick flip of the pen and receipt book...the school gives Tom a bogus receipt for a $10,000 cash donation.
So Tom...what are yall looking at?
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Forgot about the rear controls but does your head have a shower. That is admittedly overvalued but the idea of having that option still sways people toward a 25. Storage is usually under valued until people run out of it. Your boat also looks more commercial/fish than other cruiser type dorys and that polarizes people as well.
Very unique, and until you guys move aboard some day, just keep enjoying and improving and you will get a nice down payment out of it some day. Probably from another brat who wants tomcat fish ability but doesn't like the cat look.
New boat prices did rise noticeably this year and I hear you on trying to replace your package would be tough without a house worth of cash.
Greg
Very unique, and until you guys move aboard some day, just keep enjoying and improving and you will get a nice down payment out of it some day. Probably from another brat who wants tomcat fish ability but doesn't like the cat look.
New boat prices did rise noticeably this year and I hear you on trying to replace your package would be tough without a house worth of cash.
Greg
starcrafttom
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Well the though about selling came up after seeing the new 24 cut water. Susan really likes that boat and at 99k its a lot more boat then anything else we see on the market. So we started kicking the idea of selling and Susan asked " what is the 27 worth?" I had no idea really . I know what I paid in a down economy for boat in not so good shape. There were several problems with the boat at that time that I have corrected or replaced. There was no galley really. Just a shelf. Water on the fuel tanks and rot in the floor of the back deck and one whole wall. If I had hired some one to do the work it would have cost 3 to 4k just for the deck and wood work. It was a 500 to 800 in just materiel with me doing it. I know that to this day the seller is not happy with the price he got. Even thu he agreed to the price I know that he talks badly about it and to a lesser extent me. I know I was shocked some one did not like me :roll: I under stand his feelings because he had spent 40k or so fixing up the boat and rigging to the way it was when I got it.
Any way we are not going to sell or buy the other boat but I was just trying to answer Susan question "what it it worth today"
Any way we are not going to sell or buy the other boat but I was just trying to answer Susan question "what it it worth today"
Not sure why folks are beating up on you Tom. I have seen your boat, and would put it up against any of the 25's. Figure a good 25 is selling in the 50K plus range. If I was selling your boat, I would price it in the 50 to 60 K range.
Yes it is a unique boat. Butt in some cases thatt increases the value.
I haven't seen the Cutwater 24, but the other Cutwaters, were a little shy of head room in the....head!
On review of the cutwater 24, I think you would loose a lot of functionality which your boat has. The $99K price is a 6 cyl gas I/O, and I/o's have disadvantages...Plus how about the cockpit space, and storage? Not much in that 24!
Yes it is a unique boat. Butt in some cases thatt increases the value.
I haven't seen the Cutwater 24, but the other Cutwaters, were a little shy of head room in the....head!
On review of the cutwater 24, I think you would loose a lot of functionality which your boat has. The $99K price is a 6 cyl gas I/O, and I/o's have disadvantages...Plus how about the cockpit space, and storage? Not much in that 24!
thataway":34x37a9e said:
The Cutwater 24 is also available with a 300HP Yamaha outboard in addition to the Volvo gas/diesel I/O's.
Granted, it's a $10K upgrade.
http://www.cutwaterboats.com/Cutwater_Solara_24