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Venture 29?
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jamestxds, Thanks for the info. Somehow I misssed that topic last week.
That's quite an eye opener-the pics,comments and price tag. As someone said-good luck on sales.
Been thinking of possibly downsizing to something in 25' range from our 1986 Searay 34' sedan bridge. Only problem is we have gotten use to "all the comforts of home". We anchor out a lot so need a generator for electric stove, coffee maker, etc. Also after graduating from porti potties to vac u flush head there's probably no going back.
Really don't care for the looks of most of the newer boats. Kind of old fashioned and like a boat, like theC Dory, to look like a boat.
Of course there are very seldom any used 25 foot C Dorys on the east coast.
Thanks again,
Ron
That's quite an eye opener-the pics,comments and price tag. As someone said-good luck on sales.
Been thinking of possibly downsizing to something in 25' range from our 1986 Searay 34' sedan bridge. Only problem is we have gotten use to "all the comforts of home". We anchor out a lot so need a generator for electric stove, coffee maker, etc. Also after graduating from porti potties to vac u flush head there's probably no going back.
Really don't care for the looks of most of the newer boats. Kind of old fashioned and like a boat, like theC Dory, to look like a boat.
Of course there are very seldom any used 25 foot C Dorys on the east coast.
Thanks again,
Ron
Actually C Dories do come up for sale in the East. I purchased my 25 there and there were a number of others which were sold last year. You can always put a vacuflush head in a C Dory--both the 25 and the Tom Cat will accept that easily--however the current Sea Land head is just about as good as the vaccu flush (my opinion), with minimal maintance.
Yes, there are differences with the larger boats--but when we started this lasts cycle of down sizing we were running a 42 foot Symbol Motor yacht.
The C Dories do well with the Honda EU 2000i gensets--and you can put all of the luxuries, but just not much space left over. A lot depends on how you boat. You don't need an electric stove--use the Wallas, or a microwave. coffee maker if you must will do OK on top of the micro...all compromises--and we would not go back....
Yes, there are differences with the larger boats--but when we started this lasts cycle of down sizing we were running a 42 foot Symbol Motor yacht.
The C Dories do well with the Honda EU 2000i gensets--and you can put all of the luxuries, but just not much space left over. A lot depends on how you boat. You don't need an electric stove--use the Wallas, or a microwave. coffee maker if you must will do OK on top of the micro...all compromises--and we would not go back....
thataway, Thanks for your input. Your opinions, based on experiance, are highly regarded on this and at least one other popular forum. I never fail to read your posts regardless of the subject.
We probably could make do on a 25' Dory. There is just the wife and I. Very rarely do we have anyone else aboard, even on a day trip, and never "Entertain". We simply enjoy being on the water, anchoring out etc.
On this forum I have read good & not so good opinions about the Wallis. Apparently you have no problem with them. And yes, I have considered the Honda generator.
Another incentive at the present time is that someone in this area is very interested in buying my boat. This fellow lives here in Vermont and is an excellent fiberglass etc man. During the summer he works 4-5 days a week at a boatyard/marina for a dealer and others in NJ on the Delaware river. He would use the boat to live on while there at free dock space. So no fuel expense problem regarding the twin 454s
Above I mentioned "Entertaining"--It seems to me that modern boats(at least in my price range) are designed more for partying at the dock than for cruising. And we prefer getting to the bow on a catwalk rather than climbing through a windshield. That can be pretty tricky when hoisting anchor in a 20 knot wind.
Maybe I'll get lucky and find what I'm looking for somewhere between Maine and the Keys eventually. But being 73 years old I hope it,s not too long (ha)
Didn't mean to rant-thanks for listening.
Ron
We probably could make do on a 25' Dory. There is just the wife and I. Very rarely do we have anyone else aboard, even on a day trip, and never "Entertain". We simply enjoy being on the water, anchoring out etc.
On this forum I have read good & not so good opinions about the Wallis. Apparently you have no problem with them. And yes, I have considered the Honda generator.
Another incentive at the present time is that someone in this area is very interested in buying my boat. This fellow lives here in Vermont and is an excellent fiberglass etc man. During the summer he works 4-5 days a week at a boatyard/marina for a dealer and others in NJ on the Delaware river. He would use the boat to live on while there at free dock space. So no fuel expense problem regarding the twin 454s
Above I mentioned "Entertaining"--It seems to me that modern boats(at least in my price range) are designed more for partying at the dock than for cruising. And we prefer getting to the bow on a catwalk rather than climbing through a windshield. That can be pretty tricky when hoisting anchor in a 20 knot wind.
Maybe I'll get lucky and find what I'm looking for somewhere between Maine and the Keys eventually. But being 73 years old I hope it,s not too long (ha)
Didn't mean to rant-thanks for listening.
Ron
Thank you for the kind words. We have had no problems with the three Wallas stoves we have owned/own. I think part of the issue is using good quality fuel, keeping battery voltage up, and running the stove at high heat before shut down. Propane is certainly a bit easier, but it has the disadvantages of carbon-monoxide, and condensation.
You might also consider the Ranger "tug"--trailerable in the same size range. Of course there are some boats whcih are "inbetween" the 34 foot express and the smaller trailerable boats.
We had an express before getting the Tom Cat--and find the Tom Cat much more to our liking. The "cave" of the express where we would spend cooking, eating and lounging time, was like being back in some of our old sailboats. We found that the "pilot house" was much more comfortable. As for bunks--the Tom Cat is much better than the CD 25. But there can be some "slap" under the hull in some anchorages.
We don't have a problem with the anchor. Using the windlass, on either the Tom Cat or CD 25, is an operation handled from the helm. You can reach the windlass from the foreward hatch, and the anchor is "self launching". If we need a stern anchor it is handled from the cockpit.
With a good camper canvas, you have considerably more lounging room. But heck--I am a "salesman" for the C Dories!
You might also consider the Ranger "tug"--trailerable in the same size range. Of course there are some boats whcih are "inbetween" the 34 foot express and the smaller trailerable boats.
We had an express before getting the Tom Cat--and find the Tom Cat much more to our liking. The "cave" of the express where we would spend cooking, eating and lounging time, was like being back in some of our old sailboats. We found that the "pilot house" was much more comfortable. As for bunks--the Tom Cat is much better than the CD 25. But there can be some "slap" under the hull in some anchorages.
We don't have a problem with the anchor. Using the windlass, on either the Tom Cat or CD 25, is an operation handled from the helm. You can reach the windlass from the foreward hatch, and the anchor is "self launching". If we need a stern anchor it is handled from the cockpit.
With a good camper canvas, you have considerably more lounging room. But heck--I am a "salesman" for the C Dories!
Ron (dumy)-
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the modern express cruiser/European school of yacht design!
What an ugly, pretensious,super-slick bunch of party wagons!
The traditional sedan bridge cruiser has much more room, and is a much better exercise in utility.
And it looks like a boat, too boot!
I'm keeping mine (and my C-Dory 22 Cruiser) until I'm too old to crawl out the dock and wrest myself aboard!
Good Luck on your search for a CD-25!
Joe. :thup :teeth
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the modern express cruiser/European school of yacht design!
What an ugly, pretensious,super-slick bunch of party wagons!
The traditional sedan bridge cruiser has much more room, and is a much better exercise in utility.
And it looks like a boat, too boot!
I'm keeping mine (and my C-Dory 22 Cruiser) until I'm too old to crawl out the dock and wrest myself aboard!
Good Luck on your search for a CD-25!
Joe. :thup :teeth
Dumi, The swim step on the TomCat 255 is an excellent spot for a genset in an aluminum box. I have some pics on my photo album. The Honda i2000 is the perfect genset - light , small and quiet, yet powerful enough to run about everything and they make a yoke that has a 30amp connecter socket, but you have to hook 2 gensets together to get a true 30 amps.
The Tomcat is easy to pull into a truck stop, start the genset and easily climb either ladder, and enjoy A/C and all where ever you are.
John
The Tomcat is easy to pull into a truck stop, start the genset and easily climb either ladder, and enjoy A/C and all where ever you are.
John
Greetings Dumy, (Ron),
There is a very good chance that I will have a nicely rigged 2005 25 Cruiser coming in on trade within the week. A very nice doctor from N. Florida has purchased a farm in Alabama so his lovely wife can raise mules. Due to his now very rigorous schedule, the boat has been in the barn in storage for over a year. They are going to trade for a 16 Cruiser...he still wants a C-Dory but doesn't want to feel guilty for having such a nice boat sitting idle. I'll let you know if and when it comes in and send you some digital images and a list of equipment.
Obviously we are a marine dealer but I like to think that we help people BUY the boats they want instead of SELLING them something they don't!
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or if I can assist you in any way at all!
There is a very good chance that I will have a nicely rigged 2005 25 Cruiser coming in on trade within the week. A very nice doctor from N. Florida has purchased a farm in Alabama so his lovely wife can raise mules. Due to his now very rigorous schedule, the boat has been in the barn in storage for over a year. They are going to trade for a 16 Cruiser...he still wants a C-Dory but doesn't want to feel guilty for having such a nice boat sitting idle. I'll let you know if and when it comes in and send you some digital images and a list of equipment.
Obviously we are a marine dealer but I like to think that we help people BUY the boats they want instead of SELLING them something they don't!
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or if I can assist you in any way at all!
Thataway-Regarding the Electra San- from what I gather these are more suited for salt water and overboard discharge? Let me know if that is in error. Being on Lake Champlain anything that has the possibility of overboard is seriously suspicious when being boarded by CG or State Police water patrol.
DRJOHN-Thanks for comments on Tom Cat, seems like you have a camper and boat in the same package! I have to consider resale value among other things. There is probably only 1 Tom Cat type boat on the lake.
SGIRHINO--I sent you a PM
Again, thanks to all.
Ron
DRJOHN-Thanks for comments on Tom Cat, seems like you have a camper and boat in the same package! I have to consider resale value among other things. There is probably only 1 Tom Cat type boat on the lake.
SGIRHINO--I sent you a PM
Again, thanks to all.
Ron
Ron, myself and some other C-Brats are going to make the Portland Maine Boat Builders Show in mid-March about 215 miles from you. I'd take my time, make that show and see some real nice boats in the 25' range. Then get out on the water in some of them. Anything looks good on the concrete cleaned up at the show. Water makes the boat come to life. Be sure to sea trial.
As I understand it, there is another boat show in the area for the clorox bottle boats....but stick with the builders show.
Byrdman
As I understand it, there is another boat show in the area for the clorox bottle boats....but stick with the builders show.
Byrdman
Ron,
Newer CD25s and the TomCats are equipped with SeaLand heads that are self-contained units. You flush right into the holding tank which sits below it. Then you go to a pump-out station and empty it. They look similar to the unit shown in this link:
http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/S ... ILET-.html
The boats can be installed with a macerator pump system which can pump the waste overboard and into the water. If you buy a new boat, you may be able to find one without this option, otherwise there is a 'Y' valve that can be pad-locked to prevent accidental discharge of the holding tank into the water. I'm not sure what law enforcement's view is of this 'Y' valve setup. I've been told by a boat surveyor that it didn't pass muster, but I've never pursued the issue so I don't know. Maybe someone on this site has knowledge and can enlighten us all.
I hope I was able to provide some insight into this issue.
Newer CD25s and the TomCats are equipped with SeaLand heads that are self-contained units. You flush right into the holding tank which sits below it. Then you go to a pump-out station and empty it. They look similar to the unit shown in this link:
http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/S ... ILET-.html
The boats can be installed with a macerator pump system which can pump the waste overboard and into the water. If you buy a new boat, you may be able to find one without this option, otherwise there is a 'Y' valve that can be pad-locked to prevent accidental discharge of the holding tank into the water. I'm not sure what law enforcement's view is of this 'Y' valve setup. I've been told by a boat surveyor that it didn't pass muster, but I've never pursued the issue so I don't know. Maybe someone on this site has knowledge and can enlighten us all.
I hope I was able to provide some insight into this issue.
Byrdman, Would love to make the Portland show, but will be in Florida during that time. That also would be a good excuse to pig out on lobster and other sea food.
If I read your profile right, you guys are coming up from Tennessee? Quite a haul, but normal for those of into boats.
Sarge, Good info on the SeaLand heads. I have dealt only with porti potties and vacuflush (or runabouts with no head) over the last 30-35 years. We're never to old to learn.
Thank you both for responses
Ron
PS--Patrick--Great pictures!
If I read your profile right, you guys are coming up from Tennessee? Quite a haul, but normal for those of into boats.
Sarge, Good info on the SeaLand heads. I have dealt only with porti potties and vacuflush (or runabouts with no head) over the last 30-35 years. We're never to old to learn.
Thank you both for responses
Ron
PS--Patrick--Great pictures!
Hi Ron,
No problem, there are some connections between SeaLand and Electrosan, so the association is natural. There are the Pura San, units which can be used in salt and fresh water, as well as a salline generation kit for the Electrosan units.
However, the Electrosan or Purosan are satisfactory as you note, for the Lake with "no discharge".
My understanding is that you have to disconnect the tubing from the thru hull when the "y" valve is in place on the Sea Land self contained holding tank/macerator discharge. The lock will not work in these circumstances. I am quite sure you can either disconnect totally the macerator, or order one without.
No problem, there are some connections between SeaLand and Electrosan, so the association is natural. There are the Pura San, units which can be used in salt and fresh water, as well as a salline generation kit for the Electrosan units.
However, the Electrosan or Purosan are satisfactory as you note, for the Lake with "no discharge".
My understanding is that you have to disconnect the tubing from the thru hull when the "y" valve is in place on the Sea Land self contained holding tank/macerator discharge. The lock will not work in these circumstances. I am quite sure you can either disconnect totally the macerator, or order one without.