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localboy":3ikaljfr said:
rogerbum":3ikaljfr said:
Science will also tell you that those are not the only combination of sex chromosomes that occur naturally in the human population. XXY, XYY, XXXY all occur in frequencies of 1 part in a few 1000. I knew an individual who was XXY and who had both male and female parts. He both identified and appeared as male on the outside. He ultimately committed suicide at least partially due to issues relating to others being able to accept him as he was.

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Yes and people are born, sadly, with myriad birth defects so your argument regarding XXY, XYY and XXXY etc is moot. As to "gender" vs "sex" it appears a very convenient false differentiation. Kinda like life begins at conception.

But to know either of the above, you'd actually have to have faith and cherish and value life.
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And you remind me of why I rarely visit the C-Brats anymore. It's really mostly you.
 
Peter & Judy":393n1v9i said:
If you get the vaccine you get implanted with a microchip created by Bill Gates that allows him to control your mind (so they say). As if running 76% of the world's personal computers wasn't enough. If it makes people work as well as Windows does, we're all doomed.
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I have been an exclusive Mac user for 30 years, so will the Bill Gates Micro Chip that is being injected into my arm tomorrow work on me? Also the Astro-Zenica vaccine I am getting tomorrow was made in India, will Bill Gates need a translator program to steal all my personal information? Or can Bill Gates still steal all my information from Google and Facebook without the microchip? Too many questions, maybe I should keep hiding under my rock so the rest of the world can't see me.
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Instead of hiding under the rock, just make and wear a tinfoil hat which will also protect you from the alien lasers.
 
dotnmarty":zfcttoz8 said:
Wow ! Jim it's absolutely wonderful. You still got it man. Where the heck were you when you recorded this?
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Thanks, Marty. We spent most of last summer in our motorhome (great way to socially distance) in the Black Hills. We shot in the "Art Alley" in Rapid City, South Dakota; the light was perfect when I went to check it out, and told Joan, "Now - we've got about an hour of this good light!" My music partner Mark was at home in Phoenix, AZ. We still collaborate, sending music tracks back and forth; been playing together off and on since high school. He did the music production on this one, I did the video production.
 
Because this thread has produced some exceptional commentary we all are benefiting from, lets take things a bit further and do some of our own fact finding. Since we "don't know what we don't know" about COVID-19, lets do a bit of research on our own to see if we can gather more useful information. The subject of "hydroxychloroquine sulfate" has not come up recently here, or in the abnormal media so lets start with this question: "has anyone had first hand experience with, or knowledge of, a case of COVID that was treated with this drug that met with success"?
 
".....has anyone had first hand experience with, or knowledge of, a case of COVID that was treated with this drug that met with success"
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Barry, this will be interesting; however, remember that antidotal data is not particularly meanful....it might be interesting, but you can't make any conclusions based on it. The only way one can research and get meaningful data is to find and understand scientifically controlled studies (preferably double blind) with a relatively large number of participants.

P.S. Last I heard (not scientific), hydroxychloroquine is not effective in preventing or minimizing the severity of COVID. I think it might have been shown to have some positive effect on very sick patients in terms of how long they have to stay in the hospital, but I believe that information is also antidotal coming from a few doctors who believe it has helped their patients (as opposed to a controlled study). I believe the theory is that hydroxychloroquine helps to lessen the consequences of having a COVID infection in the lungs (e.g., calming down an overactive immune response to the infection), but hydroxychloroquine does not itself affect the virus's pathology directly.
 
Barry Rietz":1qmosuwa said:
Because this thread has produced some exceptional commentary we all are benefiting from, lets take things a bit further and do some of our own fact finding. Since we "don't know what we don't know" about COVID-19, lets do a bit of research on our own to see if we can gather more useful information. The subject of "hydroxychloroquine sulfate" has not come up recently here, or in the abnormal media so lets start with this question: "has anyone had first hand experience with, or knowledge of, a case of COVID that was treated with this drug that met with success"?
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I can't comment on it curing COVID that you already have, but I took it as a Peace Corps volunteer in Tanzania, working in Angola for World Vision, and working in the Brazilian Amazon. I don't know if it cures COVID, but it must prevent getting COVID!
 
Barry Rietz":e0ybm8rv said:
Because this thread has produced some exceptional commentary we all are benefiting from, lets take things a bit further and do some of our own fact finding. Since we "don't know what we don't know" about COVID-19, lets do a bit of research on our own to see if we can gather more useful information. The subject of "hydroxychloroquine sulfate" has not come up recently here, or in the abnormal media so lets start with this question: "has anyone had first hand experience with, or knowledge of, a case of COVID that was treated with this drug that met with success"?
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My day job is as faculty member in one of the top 10 microbiology departments in the world. While I don't have "first hand" experience with that treatment, I have read the scientific literature related to it and I just got done teaching a course the was entirely a lay audience view of SARS-CoV2 and COVID. The literature in which hydroxychloroquine sulfate has been tested as a treatment for SARS-CoV2 shows no net positive effect of this drug on SARS-CoV2 or the progression to COVID. See for example:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33734044/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33724123/ (and many other papers accessible through PubMed. Here's couple of quotes from the above two papers.

"This antimalarial agent slows down the normalization of the body's inflammatory response and lengthens the time spent in the hospital. HCQ should not be used in the treatment of COVID-19."

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"In hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19 RCTs show clearly that the 4-aminoquinolines are not beneficial. "
 
robhwa":3qt7ia4g said:
I don't know if it cures COVID, but it must prevent getting COVID!
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This I do know. Hydroxychloroquine is a member of a class of drugs that have been used in the treatment/prevention of malaria for many decades. There is no doubt malaria was the reason you were given that drug in your Peace Corps days. It would have nothing to do with COVID

rogerbum":3qt7ia4g said:
"This antimalarial agent slows down the normalization of the body's inflammatory response and lengthens the time spent in the hospital. HCQ should not be used in the treatment of COVID-19."
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Thanks Roger, that corrects my faulty memory. I remember hydroxychloroquine had something to do with hospitalization. So it actually lengthens hospital stays! That jogs my memory. I now seem to remember that the use of hydroxychloroquine was used to slow down the immune system in patients that were at risk of dying, not from COVID itself, but from the damage to lung tissue being caused by an aggressive immune system in response to the COVID infection. A very specific use which is why the regulators allowed its controlled use only in hospital situations. BTW, I also remember that the class of drugs that includes hydroxychloroquine is also used to treat autoimmune diseases such as lupus (which is why the government discouraged ordinary folks from taking hydroxychloroquine for COVID since lupus patients were having trouble getting their prescriptions filled due to increased demand).
 
smckean (Tosca)":2yuuh0s5 said:
robhwa":2yuuh0s5 said:
I don't know if it cures COVID, but it must prevent getting COVID!
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This I do know. Hydroxychloroquine is a member of a class of drugs that have been used in the treatment/prevention of malaria for many decades. There is no doubt malaria was the reason you were given that drug in your Peace Corps days. It would have nothing to do with COVID
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I guess my attempt at humor didn't work!
 
Woohoo. I got an appointment to get the first shot the day after we get back home. Was hoping I could have gotten them before heading out the end of February. I'm getting the Moderna. I understand the two dose shots are more effective than the one dose Jensen. I'm hoping I just have the sore arm reactions and not the more major reactions. I'm in the 1B group as a school bus driver. Our county here in Wisconsin just opened that group up the 1st of March. In my case, I had signed up earlier on several different websites for different providers. While our school district had schedules available the second week of March, for the Jensen vaccine I believe, I am getting the shots thru our local Health Care provider. I received a message with schedules available and signed up. I'm automatically scheduled for the same time 28 days later for dose two. From talking with others, I don't expect much of a wait. I'll show up to our local hospital, with paperwork already in hand, then stay 15 minutes after the shot for observation. Colby
 
Colby are you referring to the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine? There is a "Janssen Pharmaceutica", a Belgium-based division of Johnson & Johnson, is developing the vaccine in collaboration with Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

The statistics are a bit confusing, but any vaccine is better than none. We still don't know the length of immunity and what future boosters may be necessary. The Johnson and Johnson vaccines use a different method than the Pfizer and Moderna.

Both of my grandchildren have obtained vaccination--the grand daughter is a resident assistant at Tulane, the grandson has a part time job working as a food handler. My son got his because of compromised immune system, and my daughter because she is a teacher, who teaches in at a private school, where the students are in the classroom in Calif.
 
smckean (Tosca)":315bcbos said:
I guess my attempt at humor didn't work!
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Rob, sorry. I thought it strange, but I took your comment seriously. I guess I hear just too much "alternative facts" these days. I must be shell shocked.
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Yes, I did have several work experiences where I took hydroxychloroquine, and another antimalalial, I think primaquine. I never got malaria, which I am thankful for. Based on the things I saw endemic in people I met, particularly children, I became a firm believer in science and the positive impact of a good health system. In particular vaccines and other immunizations are game changers. I am definitely not a vaccine skeptic. I've just seen too much suffering and death some of which could be helped or even avoided by immunizations, and other things like sanitation, water treatment, and diet.
 
Hi Bob, yes I was referring to the Johnson and Johnson. Just easier to only type out Jannsen and that’s how it’s been referred to by a few providers here. :)
 
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