To Fridge or not to Fridge - that is the question

Wanted to put a fridge in my CD22 but didn't. Have one in the CD25 and like it enough that I would put one in a 22 if doing it over. I don't use it all the time every trip, but it is pretty easy to turn off when not needed. Mine is a Norcold, DC only. I have a converter that came with the boat if I want to plug it into AC, but it seemed rather silly to use it once I figured out that whenever AC is available I have the battery charger on.
 
Our Campion 22 footer was the first boat we purchased without a fridge. The previous owner took it out and converted it into galley space. He was wise to do so on this boat. We found that using a cooler in the cockpit works just fine, especially if you divide it, using the waterless ice thingies for perishable foods and regular ice for drinks.

The fridge on our 30 footer busted last summer. Nasty price tag to replace.

-Greg
 
helm":xk9hn7rn said:
We bought or CD-25 with no fridge, just the ice box under the helm seat. Adding a fridge is a simple install as all AC and DC wiring are in place.
So for those of you with fridges do you love them or hate them. Would you buy Norcold or Dometic. Do we forget the fridge and use a cooler and have the extra space for more storage. We are setting the boat up for a great loop cruise.
Thanks
Eric

I bought a WAECO freezer at the SBS and intend to replace the factory fridge on my 2006 Tom Cat with this freezer. See photos of Thataway and Discovery for my inspiration. This means that sometime this late spring I will have a surplus fridge available for sale. If you are interested in a win-win deal, email me. (That goes for anyone else out there who may be in the market for a fridge in great condition!)
 
The newer Norcolds--which most C Dories now have use the Danfoss compressor, not the old Japanese swing motor compressor and are as about effecient as most of the other refigerators available. But look at Tundra and Nova Cool--both are highly recommended.

We also find that our Norcold in the CD 25 runs about 50 % of the time--no matter what the ambient temp...We don't depend on the refigerator for long trips, but use two large ice chests. One ice chest we only get into once a day, the other we keep soft drinks etc in and put food for dinner in it from the less opened box. We keep wet towels over the ice boxes and that significantly helps keep the ice.

In the past we have found that a Norcold pretty much drains a group 31 battery in 24 hours. (110 amp hours--x average of 2.5 amps-x 24 hours is close to 55 amp hours or 50% discharge--and that is as much as you should take the battery down).

These refigs don't have much room, in comparison to the larger ref we had in rV's or the serious holding plate systems (6 to 10 feet each freezer or refigerator) I am not aware of any good holding plate or top loading system, other than what we or several others have in our Tom Cats. Although there are some advantages of a 12 volt holding plate system, it is no where as effecient as the 110 V large compressor/large plates or engine driven compressor systems--which will hold a freezer at 10 degrees or less for 24 hours on an hour of run time.

We have the Norcold top loading chest type refigerator/freezer in the Tom Cat and I like that much better than the CD front loading refigerator. It will be either a refig or freezer--which the front loading will not, and it will contain considerably more food. We put frozen food in the top loader and use the entrees daily--allowing them to thaw in the ice chests.

We didn't have a refig in the 22, and I didn't consider putting one in. I ordered the tC 255 without a refig, planing to put in the top loader. The 25 came with the refig--and we are keeping it--great for dock side and the small amounts of food when I visit Calif--but for long trips, we want more room--but for the loop anything will do--you can get to stores and ice almost every day--sometimes a bit of a walk, but often you will be given a ride.

Our rig in the Tom Cat 255:


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We put tackle boxes in back of and around the top loader--contain spare parts and fishing tackle--and allows effecient use of space for storage. We have 300 lb capacity ball bearing rails that the freezer rolls out on and use a single 1/4" bolt to pin the roller mechanism when we are at sea and the cabinet door is shut.
 

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Yep, Pat, the fridge is wonderful. Cheap to buy,doesn't use more electricity than Hoover Dam can produce in a day, won't run your battery down faster than a few hours, doesn't require another virtually silent and inexpensive machine (you called it, I think, a generator) that only uses a drip of cheap gasoline, holds a huge mound of food and a glacier of ice -- Yep, Pat, Jim calculated the whole shebang is a lot cheaper than a block of ice! (if you buy ice every ten minutes for ten years.)

We are definitely unhappy with our simple little ice chest -- sure wish we could hit the lottery so we could join the folks with a refrig -- oh, yeh, El just reminded me, we did win the Ontario Lottery a few years ago -- maybe that win will cover the new refrig? Oh, yeh, and we also have to get the battery and wiring issues for the ice chest solved. :D
 
For any of you thinking Bill, Pat, Dr. Bob and I are at odds on this issue, let me state emphatically that we are all like-minded when it comes to the most important issue: using the boat! :D We may differ on the execution and the amenities, but that's just personal taste. For some, a vacation means backpacking with a small tent; for others it's lying by a pool with non-stop margaritas being delivered. We like to think that we're somewhere in between. 8)

Whether a fridge adds to your enjoyment onboard or whether you think it's more complication than you need is just another of the many options for how we all use these boats. To fridge or not to fridge? You pay your money, you make your choice. I've had the pleasure to meet the three principals mentioned above, and they've all made the choice that's right for them... and the way they USE their boats. :thup

Best wishes,
Jim B. (now if I could figure out a way to put a hot tub in this thing...)
 
JamesTXSD":1gsg2d5k said:
Jim B. (now if I could figure out a way to put a hot tub in this thing...)

No problem Jim, put it on the trailer, fill the cockpit with water and build a fire under the boat!! :cry :lol: Stop when the participants turn pink!! :wink

Gotta go look at the fridge in the TC255, have never used it. Not surprising since I don't have power at the pier yet, will have soon though.

I need a place to put the AC unit, maybe the fridge will have to go....

Charlie
 
Plus, Bill knows he is always welcome to run his extension cord over to Daydream any time he needs to recharge his batteries! :lol:


JamesTXSD":253gmpp0 said:
I've had the pleasure to meet the three principals mentioned above, and they've all made the choice that's right for them... and the way they USE their boats. :thup
 
Interesting thread and a decision I've been mulling over too. It sounds like we'll be getting a fridge in the reboat... it sounds so civilized.

Now, I do know about ice chests. We learned long ago that it is the soaking in water that ruins food NOT the fact that it was inadequately cooled. So we don't use ice (loose). I use plastic milk jugs filled with water and frozen or better, use 1 gallon orange juice jugs (sturdier, more durable plastic). Food stays cool and dry. If the jug is washed out thoroughly beforehand, the result is drinkable water as it melts too, reducing the need for extra water jugs elsewhere. When we send home guests with salmon steaks, it is an easy matter to put the vacuum sealed fish in a doubled up paper bag with a gallon of ice and they are good to travel for hours and hours; it's cheap, disposable, dry, and so effective they've never complained yet. C.W.
 
Yep, I agree with your analysis El and Bill, except you forgot one thing. All that extra weight of the refrig, power panel, generator and extra gas has an advantage -- it weighs down the bottom of the boat for more stability (although at a fuel loss of some mpg... :sad ).

Seriously, if my trips weren't generally for 3-4 days or less, I'd consider one also. Who knows, maybe if/when I'm ever able to retire, they'll have 'fuel cells' or something and it'll run off of salt water and a solar panel!
 
Hmm, but wait,if you use a bag of ice every day, or a block of ice every couple of days very quickly you have paid for the fridge.
The motors running why not use the amps.
 
Helm,

I agree with using the motors, that is IF you use the motors everyday. We tend to stay put for 24-72 hrs usually. So if you don't already own a generator, add that to the expense of a refrig. I freeze my own ice (in 1 gallon jugs), so cost is nil, they last 4 days. A 10lb block of ice sufficient for a medium size ice chest, costs $5-7 at most stores. As others have said, all depends on where you go, how long you stay and how often you move! Decisions, decisions...
 
We have faced the same problem with engine driven cold plates when we were long distance cruising. In a beautiful anchorage in Huanine or a Hunga or in Cuba and running the engine for an hour twice a day to charge batteries and try to cool off the dumpster - its simply annoying not to mention expensive when you are paying for diesel by the liter or gas at over $3 per gallon . It seems that if you you are are running the boat daily the fridge might make sense, and the positive nods are overwhelming. It would be best if there was a chest fridge type solution esolution for the CD-25. But remember you paid to make the ice, no matter if it was in your fridge or it was a death march with your kids to Vahine to try to find a few bags, or you think it just happened to fall over the hoover dam.
 
On Discovery we have the Norcold refrigerator and a Weco Fridge/Freezer. They are both hooked to the port battery bank (two D34 Exide Orbital batteries). The batteries are recharged by the port motor, also by solar panels on the cabin roof. I also have a charge line from the truck to the port battery bank. When we travel with the boat, we turn on the fridge and the Waeco when we leave home, and they run 24/7 until we return. Last winter that was from Dec. 25th until the middle of March. Occasionally we have to run our Honda 2000 if there has been a few days of heavy cloud cover, while on the hook. I admit that the fridge, freezer and solar panels have added close to $2,000.00 to the cost of the TomCat, but sure make it nice for cruising. We never have to find the next place to buy ice.

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We use the boat as a camper and live in it as we travel across the country-like "Wild Blue", Jim and Joan.
 

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I love the idea of solar panels; unfortunately, here in the land of rain and gloom, we do not get enough light, let alone sunny days, for solar panels to be worth much...anybody disagree with that?
 
I'll disagree. I put one solar panel on the roof of my boat and love it. I fish close to the marina on the Columbia River and so the motor doesn't run long for charging batteries. When I fish, it is anchored for 3-6 hours with the motor off, the cd stereo on and the depth finder on and with some running of the bilge pump. After three days of fishing, the big block 460 would struggle to start. Since I put on my solar panel and overcharge protector ($125 total, from Cabelas), I haven't had to use the charger on my batteries except for during the deepest winter when there are long periods of inactivity. They work great and I'm considering having two or more on any boat I have in the future considering more draw-down from refrigerators, radar, Wallas fan etc. [And they're QUIET] CW
 
Hi Pat,

We had a large solar panel on our trimaran... and only a 4 amp charger from the alternator, so the panel was our main source of keeping the battery topped off. In sunny south Texas, it was never a problem, but we would see a marked drop in efficiency if there was any kind of shadow (like from a shroud) on the panel. I would think that 6 months of overcast with the occasional "sunbreaks" wouldn't put much juice in there. BTW, no fridge on that boat; so we had done the cooler thing for years before getting the C-Dory... yeah, we like it better with the fridge. 8)

Keep in mind, if you mount solar panels on the roof, you lose your dingy storage up there. Brent's solar set-up on Discovery is outstanding, but he doesn't use a camperback and built a rack for his dinghy over his motors. That would be tough to do on our 25s.
 
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