North-Westerner 2510

Slow as molasses, but look; some port holes to get more light in the berth. Who would have thought of that. This could be another way to tell a 2012 C-Dory 22,23,25'ers from the older models. Just kidding. That Seattle boat show is going to be like a fortune teller for some boat builders. Like a Gypsy saying, I see your future blah blah, blah, :)
D.D.
 
Interesting design with the aluminum construction. I can't tell for sure from the photos, but it looks like the outboard must be in a well - I'm not a fan of that: uses cockpit space and complicates access. With the 60hp motor spec, it's not designed to be a speedster. No photos or good drawings of what the interior will be, but the specs say it will sleep 4 or 5. Not sure who their market is... could be a niche within a niche?

From some angles, it looks pretty familiar; not unattractive to my eye. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Jim B.
 
JamesTXSD":4ef2479y said:
, but the specs say it will sleep 4 or 5. Not sure who their market is... could be a niche within a niche?
Jim B.
Click to expand...

The short boater niche.

Motor well is a huge waste of space, bouyancy and complicates the build. Weird choice.
 
You can see the outboard in the well in this photo:

image358.jpg


Built in Mount Vernon, WA, so maybe it will be showing up at the SBS. It will definitely be fun to look at!

I guess my question is, we can go 6-10 knots too in our CD25s, quite economically, or a whole lot faster. Why would anybody buy a boat that is limited to that speed (sailors excepted, of course)? Depending on the current, in some situations you might be down to 2 knots, and sometimes you might not even be able to make any headway at all. I have been reading Gerry and Linda Etzold's blog of their Great Loop trip in a Monk 36, sort of the same speed, and some of those situations sounded downright scary,

JamesTXSD":38sab5hk said:
I can't tell for sure from the photos, but it looks like the outboard must be in a well tive to my eye. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Jim B.
Click to expand...
 
Speaking of hybrids and boats (dunno how this particular boat qualifies as a hybrid, though) I read an article a while ago that laid out why hybrid does not make sense for boats vs. cars. Basically it is because in a car, you have downhill stretches, etc. when the gas motor can shut off and regen electricity for the batteries. Not possible in a boat, other than perhaps a sailboat, and even then the numbers do not work as well.

Warren
 
Yes, a good question, Warren - what is "hybrid" at all about this vessel? Guess we can ask them at the SBS!

Doryman":35v8bpjk said:
Speaking of hybrids and boats (dunno how this particular boat qualifies as a hybrid, though) I read an article a while ago that laid out why hybrid does not make sense for boats vs. cars. Basically it is because in a car, you have downhill stretches, etc. when the gas motor can shut off and regen electricity for the batteries. Not possible in a boat, other than perhaps a sailboat, and even then the numbers do not work as well.

Warren
Click to expand...
 
Having talked to the designer/builder, he is planning to be at the SBS but will not have a boat there. There are some interesting reasons he went with the motor well and a few nice features in the design. There is another site that shows more and gives performance data, but being technically challenged I do not know how to include the link.
In my view, it is a nice looking boat and can't say it is ugly as it does have the dory bow and basic lines of a C-Dory 25 (well-kind of). As someone said though, not inexpensive.
Different strokes for different folks
 
I agree with Pat.

We can ALL go slow (at displacement speed) when we want to save fuel and/or extend range; but in a C-Dory, having the option of kicking 'her up on plane is sometimes very nice.

As for engine options - according to what Les and Dr. Bob tell us, this vessel could probably be driven at hull speed with a LOT less than 60hp. If your hull is limited to hull speed, the need for hp drops significantly.

Casey
 
http://www.hybridboatcompany.com/index_files/Page428.htm
Does discuss more about the outboard, well, keel and aft bottom configuration. It seems that they have pulled the aft buttock lines up 30 degrees to make the boat a "hard chine, semi displacement"--vessel.

I am not sure that really does a lot for the economy without going to multiple chine construction (a bit more expensive, and perhaps slightly less room.

I don't agree that the outboard in a well is all that desirable. I have owned several outboards in wells, and in some ways they are a negative--harder to get the cowl off for oil checks, and maintenance. I don't see any advantage for repair of a prop; especially since the rake of the transom has been increased, and makes it hard to get the lower unit out of the water.

It would be interesting to see how the MPG holds up with a boat loaded for cruising, especially at 10 knots. I agree that the boat could do with less than 60 hp. Part of the issue may be the availability of extra long shafts in low HP. The hull lines would not be suitable for a planing boat, if the keel and the tuck up in the stern are as I visualize.

It appears as if the first boat was built as a DIY project and appeared in Jan 2010. I also don't see any hybrid in the design....
 
I think they're trying to claim the hull is a hybrid of two or more hull designs. This may be out of neccesity from working with aluminum sheet material.
 
I had a good talk with Jonathan from the Hybrid boat Co. the other day. He acknowledged that the website needs development, but he was a wealth of information regarding alot of the questions ya'll have posted. I do not like the OB intruding into the cockpit, but the overall looks of the vessel and the smooth ride it is likely to provide in rough water is appealing to me. In addition to that, I was glad to hear that eliminating the OB well and mounting the OB on an external transom bracket is an option along with interior layout changes due to the AL construction. Not only would the external OB bracket increase the cockpit space, I believe it will improve the look of the vessel. It seems to me that for people who want a boat that can have an interior layout to suit their individual needs, are willing to travel at modest speeds with a smooth ride despite the water conditions, and require the best of fuel economy, this boat seems likely to fill the bill.
 
I think their North Westerner model (non classic) is actually pretty good looking with the standard transom vs. the enclosed one taking up cockpit space. A shame about the slow hull speed and the cost. Should would be nice to avoid a cored hull and the associated rot issues though.

Aluminum%20Boat%2039%20600.gif
 
Back
Top