I know that at least one member, Jay, has a MOKAI and I'd like to hear from him or any other owners about their thoughts and experiences with these little boats. Now that MINNIE is gone I need a new "unique" interest and am considering one for the Mississippi River backwaters. Thanks.
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Gary- Since the response is slow, you may want to put "Mokai" into the search feature and read what has already been said about them.
There are 79 threads that have a reference to Mokais in them.
It's one of those things that's easy to research since it has a unique word with which to search, unlike "dinghy", windlass", or "propeller pitch".
I know you probably know all this, but I just thought it would be a good example for some of the new folks looking for information of various types.
Good Luck!
Joe. :teeth :thup
There are 79 threads that have a reference to Mokais in them.
It's one of those things that's easy to research since it has a unique word with which to search, unlike "dinghy", windlass", or "propeller pitch".
I know you probably know all this, but I just thought it would be a good example for some of the new folks looking for information of various types.
Good Luck!
Joe. :teeth :thup
Here is the link to the mfg site and some really cool info on the new, 3 piece Moki-ES-Kape. Looks like a pretty neat 3 piece suit for special needs. I was impressed with this for a C-Dory alternate or adjunct.
http://www.mokai.com/the-mokai-es-kape/
I am curious about the salt water affect on these, and how effective rinsing with fresh water would be.
Harvey
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http://www.mokai.com/the-mokai-es-kape/
I am curious about the salt water affect on these, and how effective rinsing with fresh water would be.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Can't believe we've had this many discussion on this, and I've missed every one of them. That thing looks COOL! Now I'm off Googling for davits...
Would love to try one out. For those who own them - how is the noise? More or less than a small dink outboard? It's always tough to judge such things from YouTube.
And, like Harvey mentioned - how do they hold up in salt water? If taking along on a cruise, freshwater rinses might be far and few between...
Would love to try one out. For those who own them - how is the noise? More or less than a small dink outboard? It's always tough to judge such things from YouTube.
And, like Harvey mentioned - how do they hold up in salt water? If taking along on a cruise, freshwater rinses might be far and few between...
We had one of the earlier models with the 5hp Honda. It weighed 100 pounds with out the motor and 150 pounds with the motor. I picked it up at the factory in New York. The designer said they were designed to last ten years before really needing anything. Ours ran in 4" of water and you just wanted to keep it from sucking up leaves or sea grass as that would clog the intake. Simple to fix just clear the intake area. but clogging the intake would slow it down. The motor is air cooled and they are not too noisy. Jay has a newer one now which is faster and powered by a Subaru engine. Rinsing off the salt water should be all that required. The motor turns a vaned pump that is stone simple and comes apart without tools. It sucks up water and the pump blows it out the back nozzle which pivots and that's how it turns by the nozzle pivoting which is controlled by a pivoting handle that has a twist grip throttle. The pump's shaft had a grease fitting and is connected to the motors crank shaft by a splined slip fitting. Pretty simple to maintain. Motors could be removed without tools. Nicely made with quality components. We sold ours as things changed for us but the guy who bought it went up the Hudson river from NYC to Erie canal. and had no trouble. He loves it.
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Bill, the Mokai is really cool! Jay let me take his for a spin a couple of times. I've been thinking about how to get one on the boat deck of the Nordic...
Compared to my 10' RIB with 2 stroke 9.9hp Yamaha, the Mokai is louder and slower. But, it can go places the RIB can't, like way up creeks.
From the Web site: noise level 88 dB at full throttle - (a Honda EU 1000 is about 59 dB), so the noise is significant. The cost quoted is about $4800 plus shipping. Weight of the entire rig together is about 136 lbs--and the heaviest part is about 80 lbs. The new boat in 3 pieces nests in the cockpit.
I would be interested, (weight is an issue--but davits could take care of that…)but I really wonder how compatible it would be with two people of my and Marie's size (180/6'2", 125/5'8")? It looks small--and too bad they didn't make it compatible with just a little more room…???
I didn't take up Jay's offer of a taking his for a test ride, because of the size & weight--but it sure is appealing…I also thought it was more expensive! The new 3 piece boat does have a lot of appeal. A Hobie Kayak costs from $$2200 to over $6200! So that puts the Mokai in the game!
Thanks for bringing this up.
I would be interested, (weight is an issue--but davits could take care of that…)but I really wonder how compatible it would be with two people of my and Marie's size (180/6'2", 125/5'8")? It looks small--and too bad they didn't make it compatible with just a little more room…???
I didn't take up Jay's offer of a taking his for a test ride, because of the size & weight--but it sure is appealing…I also thought it was more expensive! The new 3 piece boat does have a lot of appeal. A Hobie Kayak costs from $$2200 to over $6200! So that puts the Mokai in the game!
Thanks for bringing this up.
Yes Gary, I do have a Mokai. The 2011 model & it is my third one. In salt water I have towed it behind our 22CD for very near 6000 miles & altogether around 10,000. I don't know exactly how many miles I have ran them, but it is several thousand & many of these miles were in very remote areas in Southeast Alaska where I doubt any other boats have been before or since unless it's another Mokai. For fun returned on amount of dollars spent they have still been the best investment in my life. When our C-Dory days end, the plan is to have two of the new Mokai's carried on or in our jeep & towed by our truck camper to continue our exploration & adventuring in remote places.
To find more about the Mokai, you can do as others suggested & do a internet & C-Brat search, but perhaps first, view the close to a dozen videos, I've posted of it in action on the Grand Adventure Forum. Also in the Grand Adventure Forum, I have posted write ups of our 2007, 10 & 12 Alaska cruises, along with many photos in my album, where the Mokai is prominent.
Another Mokai enthusiast I know is Steve Oberto, the owner of Maximo a large trawler, who I first met In Red Bluff Bay, Southeast Alaska in 2007 & then again in Sitka, in 2010, where I noticed he then had two Mokai's aboard along with a RIB, & his 14 foot C-Dory dingy. Photos of the Maximo with C-Dory Dingy & Mokai are in my album, sub album "Alaska Wilderness Cruise 2007". I would post it here, but I'm on the IPad & can't seem make it work.
Jay
To find more about the Mokai, you can do as others suggested & do a internet & C-Brat search, but perhaps first, view the close to a dozen videos, I've posted of it in action on the Grand Adventure Forum. Also in the Grand Adventure Forum, I have posted write ups of our 2007, 10 & 12 Alaska cruises, along with many photos in my album, where the Mokai is prominent.
Another Mokai enthusiast I know is Steve Oberto, the owner of Maximo a large trawler, who I first met In Red Bluff Bay, Southeast Alaska in 2007 & then again in Sitka, in 2010, where I noticed he then had two Mokai's aboard along with a RIB, & his 14 foot C-Dory dingy. Photos of the Maximo with C-Dory Dingy & Mokai are in my album, sub album "Alaska Wilderness Cruise 2007". I would post it here, but I'm on the IPad & can't seem make it work.
Jay
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Here's a link where Jay and JoLee are towing me through 50 mile canyon at Lake Powell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQop2P3aHA
And here is one in Secret canyon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efv7-f8OSs4
Got to be one of the best boats for exploring Lake Powell and just seeing how far you can go before you get jammed somewhere. It sound just like a lawn mower, but nothing a couple of ear plugs can't solve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQop2P3aHA
And here is one in Secret canyon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efv7-f8OSs4
Got to be one of the best boats for exploring Lake Powell and just seeing how far you can go before you get jammed somewhere. It sound just like a lawn mower, but nothing a couple of ear plugs can't solve.
Not to derail the thread, but I wonder with all the talk of noise, what the numbers would be for an electric version of the Mokai (prop based - may defeat the whole purpose):
- Hull efficiency seems to be fairly optimized
Would be nice to still be able to go 15mph or so
How long would a bank of batteries that fit in the engine bay last?
...at 15mph?
...at 5mph?
How fast would said batteries charge from an EU2000 and inverter?
Googling "electric jet drive" DOES turn up some links (http://wavejet.com/about-us)
Harvey, yes that's it & thanks. That paddle in the other photo you brought up was given to me by the Harbor Master in Pelican, Alaska after I lost mine in a rapid on the Black River, which is in the Chichagof Island Wilderness area on the open gulf of Alaska side.
Jody, seeing your video again makes me look forward even more to another Powell Gathering this fall. We have sure had some fantastic Mokai runs there. I wished one of us would have got some video of our getting trapped in the quick sand at the head of Escalante. I'm also looking forward to seeing your new Mokai in action. I'll be having trouble keeping up with you.
Ray, a battery powered Mokai would be sweet, but only if powering the jet drive.
Jay
Jody, seeing your video again makes me look forward even more to another Powell Gathering this fall. We have sure had some fantastic Mokai runs there. I wished one of us would have got some video of our getting trapped in the quick sand at the head of Escalante. I'm also looking forward to seeing your new Mokai in action. I'll be having trouble keeping up with you.
Ray, a battery powered Mokai would be sweet, but only if powering the jet drive.
Jay
Ray,
For electric drives, read up on the threads on Torqueedo. At least 3 of us have those for our dinghy. The charge is slow--an EU1000 will do it, but a motor which will push a dinghy at 5 mph (not efficient--3 mph is better), takes about 14 hours. It can be recharged directly from a 12 volt battery.
However you are absolutely correct that it would defeat the purpose. Ask Greg, how the Torqueedo does on his long and narrow inflatable. That would be closer to what it would do on a Mokai.
The battery for the Torqueedo is very specific--although there are some larger motors than the "about 3 HP" which might be practical in this type of application.
Also Torqueedo makes a small motor for kayaks:
http://www.torqeedo.com/us/electric-out ... and-canoes
There is at least one other motor, cheaper, 12 volt with 46# thrust for a Hobie drive:
http://www.islandhopperoutboards.com/re ... aQodY3QAww Probably not as efficient as the Torqueedo, but much cheaper. Batteries are heavy.
Jay, can you address my question about the size of two people.
Thanks!
For electric drives, read up on the threads on Torqueedo. At least 3 of us have those for our dinghy. The charge is slow--an EU1000 will do it, but a motor which will push a dinghy at 5 mph (not efficient--3 mph is better), takes about 14 hours. It can be recharged directly from a 12 volt battery.
However you are absolutely correct that it would defeat the purpose. Ask Greg, how the Torqueedo does on his long and narrow inflatable. That would be closer to what it would do on a Mokai.
The battery for the Torqueedo is very specific--although there are some larger motors than the "about 3 HP" which might be practical in this type of application.
Also Torqueedo makes a small motor for kayaks:
http://www.torqeedo.com/us/electric-out ... and-canoes
There is at least one other motor, cheaper, 12 volt with 46# thrust for a Hobie drive:
http://www.islandhopperoutboards.com/re ... aQodY3QAww Probably not as efficient as the Torqueedo, but much cheaper. Batteries are heavy.
Jay, can you address my question about the size of two people.
Thanks!
Bob,
The 2005, 2007 & 2011 year Mokai's we've owned all have the same seating room area with the exception of the 2011 of which I've bought a kit to change the steering control from where it interferes with two people in side to the starboard top side where it doesn't. I'm 6 foot & when overweight like at Lake Powell this year, 210 pounds & Jolee 5' 4 " & about 135. We fit but it's fairly tight & only comfortable for an hour or so. The Mokai factory is now only making the new models like Jody has ordered & they come in three separate modules that can be taken apart for transporting, so I don't know how they are going to be for sitting two people or for size of space needed for transporting. The old models are 35.5" wide & about 19" high by 11' 6" long. I think you & Marie would fit, but just how comfortably only you could determine. I too wished you would have tried it out at Powell. I think you two & Angel, perhaps a bridge to far.
I'll be sending a PM.
Jay
The 2005, 2007 & 2011 year Mokai's we've owned all have the same seating room area with the exception of the 2011 of which I've bought a kit to change the steering control from where it interferes with two people in side to the starboard top side where it doesn't. I'm 6 foot & when overweight like at Lake Powell this year, 210 pounds & Jolee 5' 4 " & about 135. We fit but it's fairly tight & only comfortable for an hour or so. The Mokai factory is now only making the new models like Jody has ordered & they come in three separate modules that can be taken apart for transporting, so I don't know how they are going to be for sitting two people or for size of space needed for transporting. The old models are 35.5" wide & about 19" high by 11' 6" long. I think you & Marie would fit, but just how comfortably only you could determine. I too wished you would have tried it out at Powell. I think you two & Angel, perhaps a bridge to far.
I'll be sending a PM.
Jay
jkidd
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This picture was posted yesterday. The new model is way more easy to carry than the old one. I think it could be stood vertical up against the bulkhead or on a rack on the roof. You might even be able to just sit it on the dinner table. :lol:
http://www.mokai.com/news#post-544be875e4b06eca91bea46d
http://www.mokai.com/news#post-544be875e4b06eca91bea46d