Kleen-Heat

I am partial to using Klean Heat in my Wallas, if only because I have used nothing else and the Wallas has performed flawlessly.

Out of curiousity, I decided to follow-up on my previous post about buying Klean Heat from a shipper. The cost of a gallon container is around $12. Shipping via UPS ground was quoted as $10 for one gallon and and $20 for five.
 
Thanks Alok,

Living in East Texas - we're so far back in the woods it takes 2 days for sunshine to get here - we buy a LOT over the net. We've found some real deals that turned sour when the "shipping & handling" were added in. Given a choice between driving, parking, paying sales tax, and paying UPS, UPS wins every time ..
 
Roger - Would there be any problem with self-life of the low-sulfur diesel from the local fuel pump? Based on most replies, a gallon lasts awhile, so wouldn't you have to put some additive in the low-sulfur fuel?

Allan
 
The "shelf life"--meaning that there is break down in the fuel--is much longer in the purer compoungs. Diesel is shorter than kerosene, and Kleen heat, or refined lamp oil. I have used the latter fuels which are several years old, with no problem. I wouold not with diesel. Aspheltines will form int he diesel--and you don't want these sticky compounds in the stove pump etc.
 
What about mixing fuels? Currently I have diesel in my tank, but could I mix Klean Heat or kerosene with it ?

I heard that diesel, when not past its shelf life, has more lubricants in it that the stove prefers, but it breaks down faster. Has anyone looked at combining fuels or is this just a bad thought?

thanks,
 
Allen, Sarge,

I had heard that one shouldn't use Wallas fuel that had been in the tank all Winter. So, in the spring, I put what's left in the Wallas tank into the trucks tank and get fresh diesel before firing up the Wallas. That little trooper was going 24/7 on our March South Sound cruise and never skipped a beat.

Almost 70 today in Sunny Sequim! :smiled :smiled

 
Dreamer":31dy4046 said:

I had heard that one shouldn't use Wallas fuel that had been in the tank all Winter.
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Roger, I've never drained my Wallas fuel tank, I just keep it topped off all the time. Not that I always do what I'm supposed to....parents told me stuff for years of what I should and shouldn't do....now my wife tells me what I should and shouldn't do....next my daughter is trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't do.....I'm still alive and kickin' so I must be doin' something right....'eh? :mrgreen:

(I should note that I do keep the C-Dory (Wallas included) in an enclosed shop year round, only time out of its "house" is when I'm cruising on the water. Don't know if that contributes to my success).

Another "shouldn't do that I've been told I shouldn't do is use Kleen Heat, and as I've already mentioned I've been using it for the 5 years I've had the boat and the Kleen Heat is now 5 years old.

After all I've now shared with you all, I expect any moment for my Wallas to blow up ...... :shock:

Just my 2 bits worth for the day.....take your chances. :wink
 
Man, I'm SO happy this site is here. I have no manuals for the boat....AT ALL! :cry: Matt is supposed to be getting me one from C-Dory and I e-mailed KING about providing one for the trailer, but haven't heard squat back. I have no Wallas manual and no Suzuki manual either. :roll:
 
Let your fingers do the walking localboy! There's a Wallas manual in the documents section of this website. There used to be a 25 manual in the factory site until they updated it, I'm sure someone has a .pdf of one here that they will post or send to you. Trailers are pretty simple, don't hold your breath for a manual.

Spring for a Suzi manual on e-bay, they're not cheap but you really should have one....It doesn't come with the engine. You can download the owners manual from their website but the factory service manual is one you need too...

Charlie
 
Mark,

If you can't find one on-line, I can send you a PDF of the CD-25 manual. Let me know - PM your e-mail address to me if I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
Thanks, Charlie. Jeez...just download it from the website here Mark. :oops: Guess I've never really looked around this website all that much while I was lurking. :roll:
 
JamesTXSD":22c8wj7h said:
Mark,

If you can't find one on-line, I can send you a PDF of the CD-25 manual. Let me know - PM your e-mail address to me if I can be of help.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
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Thanks, Jim but Charlie beat you to it. He's gonna e-mail me a PDF. You guys are awesome.
 
Roger stated,
I had heard that one shouldn't use Wallas fuel that had been in the tank all Winter. So, in the spring, I put what's left in the Wallas tank into the trucks tank and get fresh diesel before firing up the Wallas.
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Geez, hadn't heard that one, but it does make sense. My problem is that my tank is not the standard tank but a 5 gallon tank!!! Plus I don't have any vehicle that uses diesel.

It was running for about 4 hours the other day with no problems but it doesn't seem to be putting out the heat that I expected it to. I ran my last Wallas on Klean Heat and this one so far on diesel. I wouldn't have thought that the difference in heat output would be that noticeable with different fuels.

-Sarge
 
I have to say that last year we switched over to diesel and I did notice a difference in heat out put. I would not have thought it mattered but it did.
 
Sarge and Tom,
So, are you saying that the Kleen Heat puts out more heat than the diesel? If so, then it would seem to me that the higher BTU's would make the Wallas burn cleaner and therefore be less likely to clog/soot up. (I know it has been reported that Scan Marine recommends diesel instead of Kleen Heat).

How about it Sea Wolf Joe the Science Guy? What is your take on the output difference between the two?
 
DaveS":quvih140 said:
(I know it has been reported that Scan Marine recommends diesel instead of Kleen Heat).
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Man, this is all making my had spin. :lol: Perhaps a call to Scan Marine is needed. I realize they are just the distributor and not the manufacturer, but they SHOULD have the answers. I realize I'm late to this party, but knowing what the manufacturer recommends would seem to be the way to go.
 
Mark,
Over the years the two subjects that have probably cereated the most discussion on this site is the Wallas Stove and whether a C-Dory should have one main engine or two engines. If you were to perform a comprehensive search on this site about either of the subjects you would find many threads and a multitude of comments about the two. Many of the comments would be repetitive. From reading the comments on the threads over the years, I would say that folks have had varying degrees of success and failures with their Wallas stove and it doesn't seem to matter what choice of fuel they use. I do know that some folks have been chastised (I hope that is a correct depiction of the comment made once) by Scan Marine for not using diesel.
Personally, I got started using Kleen Heat and have used nothing else and had no problems (knock on wood). That is not to say that I won't have problems in the future. (Most likely, I will now since I've said all of this).
The things that I do believe has contributed to my success with the Wallas is that prior to starting it up, I turn the temperature control up to the maximum setting, I lift the lid so the fan on the stove is not sucking electricity during the start up procedure and only close the lid after the stove has become hot. For the shut down procedure, I make sure the temperature setting is again at its' maximum for at least 15 minutes prior to pressing the switch to turn the stove off. I keep the lid closed during the shut down, so the fan can "do its' thing" to cool the stove off. (I believe the purpose in using the high setting is to ensure that all the soot is burned off the elements). By the way....after the stove is switched off, it takes approximately 15 minutes for the stove to cool off and the stove to completely shut down. That being said, when I'm heading North towards Everett, I turn off the stove when I pass the ferry landing in Mukilteo and by the time I get to the Everett Launch Ramp the stove is off.

P.S. I always have my engines running (or we are plugged into shore power) when starting the Wallas because it does take a bit of electricity to start the Wallas.
 
Alok":2l6eg5vg said:
Mark:

As Dave pointed out in the post above, Wallas and Klean Heat are discussed every winter. There is a ton of stuff on the site.

Looking at the specific issue of Scan Marine and Klean Heat, I had posted this link a couple of years ago. It states Scan Marine's position and clearly mentions Klean Heat as an acceptable fuel

http://www.scanmarineusa.com/techtalk_fuelcomments.pdf
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Yes, I noted that the Wallas was a topic of great debate here. Seems some units have constant problems while others run trouble free. The above document has some very useful information, especially for a newbie owner like me, without being too technical. I'll use the bottle of Klean Heat I recently bought but should I need to use #2 diesel I can always dump any excess into my F-250. Thanks for the document. I hadn't seen it b4 and I saved a copy on my hard drive.
 
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