Ft. Peck Reservoir

John-

There are several threads on how to include photos in posts.

If there in non-electronic form, I can scan them, then add them electronically.

Simple answer: email or mail 'em to me, an I'll post 'em for you.

How about including photos of the hand holds for that thread, too?

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Joe - Thanks for your offer. I will accept it. My PC crashed several months ago and the old scanner won't work with my new one - HPw2338h.
My new HP printer-scanner- photo 6500 Officejet wireless came without an instruction book. My almost 75 year old brain doesn't adapt well to new technology. I'm going to try to scan the photos showing the Hell Creek Marina adventure and also the hand hold, both solid and rope. It may take several days for me to figure it out. If that doesn't work, I can mail the photos to you. I'll stay in touch. Thanks again.
John
 
I believe that this is Crow Country. I have a distant cousin, who manages to visit Camp Thataway at least once or twice a year, whose primary residence is in Kalispell, MT and tells me that it is worth while to get down to the Crow Indian gathering at Crow Agency--I believe it is the 3rd week of August. I hear that this the largest gathering of Tipees in America, and certainly worth visiting.
 
Bob - Were you referring to the Fort Peck area as Crow Indian country?
Historically, the area south of the Missouri to the Big Horn Mountains and east of the continental divide to the Montana and the North and South Dakota borders was Crow Indian country. Much of this was contested land by other tribes because it was such a rich buffalo area. Clark coming down the Yellowstone River on the return trip to St . Louis had
horses stolen presumably by Crows who were reputed to be master horse thieves. The Crows made friends of the white man essentially for reasons of survival. Blackfeet to the north, and Sioux to the east were traditional enemies of the Crow. As the whites pushed in from many directions, the Crows had no choice but to form non-Indian alliances. Many of Custer's scouts were Crow Indian. The Crow Reservation is
blessed with extraordinary natural resources. The Crow Fair which you referenced draws thousands of visitors (located next to I-90) and of course only a few miles from the Battle of the Little Big Horn fought in 1876. IMO the Crow Fair is worth attending.
John
 
Following the old cliche about a picture being worth a thousand words, Sea Coast Joe has been a huge help. I was able to scan the seven photos which I took at the scene of the crash and email them to him. Joe has already put one on his album site. Go to that to see the photos and captions.

The pictures will replace your imagination. Once the adventure was over, I did some introspection about my prepardness to deal with an emergency. I did not achieve a high score. In fact, I did a number of things wrong before the slip hit the shore line. Only the fact that (1) the slip hit the most favorable area of the cliffs to slam against and (2) the storm quickly abated after the slip was against the cliffs kept me and the Far West II from being in a worse situation.

Here is my analysis. Being robbed of one's senses can cause considerable confusion. Awakened from near exhaustion, unable to see anything during the worst of it, trying to interpret all the sounds, and making good decisions is easier said than done.

I had been pushing myself for some time. I could have postponed the knee surgery but that was scheduled in June of 1997 before my personal life began to uinravel. Just turning 62 meant I was no spring chicken.
The mind plays tricks on us. I was not the physical specimen I thought I was. Having experienced a heart attack in August of 1994 was one wake
up call. But a rigorous fitness program thereafter gave me a false sense of security.

Since I had been at the Hell Creek Marina many times before, I knew the topography very well. The cliffs were no stranger to me. Immediately, when I became aware the slip was blowing backwards, I understood it "could go all the way."

Turning on the VHF was a complete waste of time. The marina office was vacated at that time. Besides, nothing could be done for me anyway.

Getting the radar working was OK, but I didn't monitor it to calculate the distance to the opposite shore line.

I didn't turn on my GPS which would have given the speed of drift.

When I decided to start the engine, considerable time had already passed and dropping the engine, squeezing the bulb, all took precious seconds.

But my worst mistake was fiddling with the bow, mid, and aft cleat lines.
I had mentioned in an earlier comment, that a friend had borrowed the boat in early August. He had run a line from the cleat on the slip to the eye bolt, which is hard to reach from the hatch - almost impossible - and it had numerous half hitches as did the mid and aft lines. I was trying to save the mooring lines when time was of the essence. Very foolish of me.

When I decided to cut loose, I made a poor choice. The aft and mid lines were cut first. I tried to stand on the side walkway, but it was buckling and the wind was howling. Getting back in the boat was now timing the "jump", and my foot slipped off the gunwale causing my hurt knee to get abused. I had to open the hatch, climb out and slither on my belly to get my shoulders and head over the edge to reach down and cut the rope.

Fortuinately, I had a knife that was up to the task. The hatch stood up to the wind pressure but of course the wind driven rain poured in while I was cutting away. In the morning the aisle had a half inch of water standing in it, all which came in through the hatch.

Quickly scrambling back through the hatch, and getting it closed against the force of the wind - which took some effort - and at last, I was able to back out of the slip.

But as I mentiioned earlier, to my horror, the lightning flash revealed I was already at the cliff line without not enough space and time to back out and get away from the slip. I made the only decision I could and took the Honda out of reverse and and put it in forward. In a few seconds the slip grounded at the cliff shoreline, and now I had some new problems.

The waves were now coming over the slip, and I had no secure ropes on the Far West II. I mention in an earlier post how the waves push the boat backwards, and how I had lifted the engine, turned it off and how it had impaled the cliff.

I managed to get one line on the dock and the mid cleat and the boat stopped thrashing around. A couple of fenders on the side helped ease things.

Picture 6 shows the damage when the boat was untied. I made the mistake of not leaving the fenders on before I cut the ropes.

After things had quieted down, and before the second storm came in, I took the picture of "Imagine It," and then decided to go ashore. That too was a mistake. I didn't take an abandon ship bag ashore. I really didn't have one made up although all the essentials were aboard.

Once the second storm came in and lightning began to crackle all around, I decided the soaked shoreline was a poor place to sit, so I had to get back in the boat and put on dry clothes. The night stayed very warm.
It was a very long day!
 
Thanks again for sharing both the story and your feelings during this event. I would love to read the "book" --or put it down on a web site--and then either self publish, or just share. Our generation has had adventures which an be an inspiration and beacon for future generations. The "oral" history which goes with a generation is soon lost, unless preserved. In the past much as been written--today it is video and web blogs.

You made a number of great points about the emergency, the need for survival gear, if you leave the boat--and a plan to deal with emergencies. You captured the essence of disorientation and decision making at night, during a storm, in a slip which you had thought was secure.

I have long advocated a small bag which always stays with the skipper and gives the essentials to deal with crisis situations. I'll post a description and photos on another thread.

Thanks for the information on the Indian Tribes of that area. (My only exposure is dealing with the Choctaw who lives with me)
 
Bob - Glad you enjoyed the story. Ever since the Fort Peck adventure, I do have what I call "a possibles bag" which has essential emergency items in it, whether it be in a C-Dory, skiff, or canoe. Besides a life jacket, I can't think of any emergency piece of equipment more important than a good knife capable of cutting through mooring lines quickly. And if it is a large folding knife, it needs to be the lock back kind.

By pure happen stance, I began teaching fifty years ago next to the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana and had both non-Indian and Indian students. In the summer of 1961, I received an appointment as a NPS seasonal ranger historian at what was then called the Custer Battlefield National Monument. Being called a ranger historian was a bit of a stretch, but after reading the literature available on the battle, and lecturing uncounted numbers of tourists, for many summers and during the academic years, I could fake a pretty good talk on what happened to George Armstrong Custer.

All of western Americana is fascinating, but Montana IMO has such a variety of incidents ranging from the Vigilantes (who knew what to do with bad guys) and Custer and Chief Joseph.

My boating began with my favorite, canoes, and at one time I planned to float all the major Montana rivers their entire length (an unrealized ambition), but I added skiffs and two C-Dorys along the way.

Yellowstone Park has become my summer home, and as long as Bridge Bay Marina remains, and if I'm still alive, my boating adventures will mostly be confined there. Take care.

John
 
John

Even though I heard this story from you in person and was able to question you about the event, it was still very interesting and enjoyable reading it here.

Just your adventures on Yellowstone Lake would make for a good book.

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There's very few people alive today if any that know more about the back country around the shores of Yellowstone Lake than Yellowstone John.

This is the photo that Sea Wolf Joe put in his album for John.
Pic_1_Ft_Peck_Incident_001.jpg
 
Jay - Thanks for getting this picture on this thread. How did you did this?
We have all heard of writer's "block." Well, I have a technology block, something like when I was learning to become proficient with a GPS.

I need to get a "P.C. for Dummies" book.

Can't really claim the expertise on Yellowstone Lake's general area you attribute to me. Any knowledge is a function of time spent on the lake beginning in 1948.

Did you get a trailer retrofit for the Hunkydory?

John
 
John--I'm pretty much computer illiterate too. Had never used a computer before purchasing the Hunkydory in 2003 and having the previous owner suggest using the computer with Nobletec software and a gps for navigation, so its been a tough on going learning experience for me ever since taking his advice. Then found this site and learned to do the photo posting to albums and threads to share our adventures and in the process learn from others.

To post photos from any one's album on this site to thread just go to album then photo desired. Right click on photo--select properties from information available shown. From photo properties copy the information in the Address:(URL). Paste that information with
behind in the thread you are writing. Your photo in Joe's album would come out looking like this; [url=http://www.c-brats.com/albums/SeaWolf/Pic_1_Ft_Peck_Incident_001.sized.jpg]http://www.c-brats.com/albums/SeaWolf/P ... .sized.jpg[/url][img]

Except I deliberately left a space at the start between [img] and http or it would have posted here again as a photo.

Anyone that knows a better way to explain please do

I don't know a better way of gaining expertise of an area then spending time in it and few if any have spent more time with the equel of your ability to learn from it in the back country of Yellowstone Lake.

Very pleased with the new (2007) first sold to us from a dealer EZ Loader twin axle trailer. Has electric over Hydraulic brakes and rated for a heavier load then the one we traded in that was identical to yours. Had towed the Hunkydory for near 40000 miles on the old trailer but with retirement this year and plans of many rough miles in the north country wanted a trailer with twin axles to soften the ride for the Hunkydory.

Looking forward to seeing You and Edna before heading to Alaska this year.

Jay
 
Thanks Jay for the info. I have got to stop trying to do too many things at one time and get with it. We are experiencing one nasty storm after another. No respite for another week according to Weather.Com. It has to stop sometime. We will stay in touch.

John & Edna
 
Jay-

Thanks for posting the photo from my album.

John was going to send me a whole sequence, I was going to post them in my album so i could control them, then bring them all forward and insert all of them, in order, in this thread, but he and Edna forwarded them to this site directly, instead, and they haven't been inserted here yet by an administrator.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
John

what a fantastic story! I remember you telling me about it, but seeing and reading it print let's your mind run wild. being woke up in the middle of the night sure is hard on the mind.

Jody
 
Jody - I believe if I had postponed my knee surgery, I would have been agile enough to do the things to break away from the slip before it hit the cliffs. But then this story probably would not have so many twists.

Presuming we will see you and the pooch in Yellowstone this summer.

Saw your comments on Wyoming's strategy to combat aquatic invaders. Very interesting. At Bridge Bay last summer, a ranger was checking on incoming boats. Just asking questions, I believe. "Where have you had your boat before coming here, etc?"

Am curious if the undesirable critters like the Zebra Mussel can survive the below zero temperatures we have out here in the mountain west. I mean if someone boated in the areas where these organisms exist and then stored the boat in sub zero weather, would that kill them? Perhaps someone on the C-Brat site has some in depth information on this matter.

If you do please jump in.

Invasive species have become real issues in our area. Pine beetles are killings huge areas of pine trees here in Montana. The forest folks tell us only a prolonged winter of sub zero temperatures can stop the invasion.

John
 
Yes, John I have seen a list of how long you need to be out of the water at temperature. Seems like sub zero was a week and summer temps were a month. I will see if I can find the info and post it over on the Wyoming thread. At Lake Powell they are now checking anchor rode and if it is wet you will need to be decontaminated.
 
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