Cdory 25 at the 2015 SBS

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Tom,

Our 25 was the older style deck so we ordered it with this in floor fish box (I designed it and Les made sure it was done right) with macerator which replaced the under deck holding tank for the head. We went with the Sealand traveler head (9gal. self contained holding tank). I think that anyone could order a like unit built in on a new 25. The raised deck allowed for about 12" in depth which was adequate for our needs (could hold 6+ tuna with no problems).

Jerry
 
hardee":1rfuxtsk said:
IF I was in the market, (and between the CW and the CD) it would be the CD, and It would not have a traditional head, macerator and holding tank. IT WOULD be an "Airhead" with the holding tank converted to storage or fresh water tank. That should be the factory default, in my opinion. There are really no negatives to the Airhead system.
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I realize this is a tangent, but...I have to politely disagree here. I'd say that all waste holding/disposal systems have negatives. And that makes sense, I mean after all, you are dealing with human waste one way or another and it doesn't just go away magically no matter how you are doing it. The key for me is that all systems have their plusses and minuses, and so it's a matter of deciding which ones fit your scenario, uses, and preferences (and maybe local laws).

For example, as far as I know, composting toilets have separate jugs for urine, and you need to dispose of it. That may mean dumping it over the side, which may or may not be legal in all areas, and/or carrying it to a bathroom or dumping place. In any case, it's a task. Some would consider it a negative vs. just letting it all go into the tank and pumping out from there (one step). There is also the height to consider. Again, maybe a negative, maybe not, but all systems have potential downsides is all.

I've lived for years with outhouses (in the country) and holding tanks/disposal on boats, so it's not that I am personally squeamish about it (or that I might not choose a composting toilet). I'm completely used to managing my own waste (just like managing your own water supply and power when you are off-grid). But I have yet to see any method that does not have some negative(s).

Would have been fun to poke around on the new 25 - I'd love to see some of the improvements!
 
Agreed (I guess) there are some negatives to the Airhead. They do have to be emptied too. The water bucket, about the size of a coffee can,, maybe once a week, the solid bucket about the size of a 2 gal buckets, about once a month or less for 2 people.

Currently there are 2 active threads about macerator issues, and anyone with a holding tank knows the dealings of that and pump failure/replacement etc. or leakage. Somehow the "Airhead"* , at least for me, has no negatives.

I was thinking I had heard there would be some C-Brat involvement in the C-Dory booth display. I really think there could/should be some emphasis on the community that is appealing to the C-Dory. This "family" is one of the greatest values that came with the boat, and for many, one of the more appreciated adjuncts. This is a factor that the sales staff there, at least in my opinion, do not get, and an area that was not at all presented in anyway at the booth. For folks that are just getting into boating, The price may put them off, but when they learn that there is a very active, "support group", readily accessible, and available get togethers, with answers to all their questions, interest nearly always increases. That is something for the sales team to capitalize on.

*Or there are other types of composting toilets, but Ah is a real jewel.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

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Harvey, The transom height is the same as the older boats, although there were owners to added plastic/glass sections to raise it up and keep more spray out.

Greg
 
Ref. The composting head. We saw one instance at Lake Powell, where liquid was mixed with the fecal waste, and it was quite a mess to resolve.

If there was an instance of bowel disease where there was liquid stool, this could present quite a problem, and potential helth issue.

There is no "perfect" way of dealing with human waste. We have been thru the various ways in the past on this forum.
 
hardee":eo3o218v said:
Agreed (I guess) there are some negatives to the Airhead. They do have to be emptied too. The water bucket, about the size of a coffee can,, maybe once a week, the solid bucket about the size of a 2 gal buckets, about once a month or less for 2 people.

Currently there are 2 active threads about macerator issues, and anyone with a holding tank knows the dealings of that and pump failure/replacement etc. or leakage. Somehow the "Airhead"* , at least for me, has no negatives.

I was thinking I had heard there would be some C-Brat involvement in the C-Dory booth display. I really think there could/should be some emphasis on the community that is appealing to the C-Dory. This "family" is one of the greatest values that came with the boat, and for many, one of the more appreciated adjuncts. This is a factor that the sales staff there, at least in my opinion, do not get, and an area that was not at all presented in anyway at the booth. For folks that are just getting into boating, The price may put them off, but when they learn that there is a very active, "support group", readily accessible, and available get togethers, with answers to all their questions, interest nearly always increases. That is something for the sales team to capitalize on.

*Or there are other types of composting toilets, but Ah is a real jewel.

Harvey
SleepyC:moon

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I know others here have used and like the Airhead type composting toilets. I am not a fan. A cruising couple I know had one on their sailboat - it was fine when they used the boat occasionally; when they moved aboard, they felt it did not keep up with their ... um... output (didn't compost completely or fast enough). I have been told there is no smell with these... not the case with my limited experience downwind of them.

Now, about the factory having some interaction with current boat owners and marketing... you mean like was done at the 2006 and 2007 Seattle Boat Shows? And then the factory distanced themselves from boat owners? Three different factory owners? You would think having owners around to answer questions and encourage participation would be beneficial to boat sales, huh? You would think the factory folks would be enthusiastic about having owners encouraging potential new buyers, huh? It certainly helped sell us in 2006.

Yep, you'd sure think that would be a good thing.

We are not privy to the factory's marketing intent, and based on experience, they seem to like it that way.
 
Jim,

I guess I need to start paying attention to the :D air around me :mrgreen:
and to the trips they take up the dock :shock: or which dock they are going up.

How did we get "Airhead" out put and factory involvment in the same thread :oops:

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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Yes Bob we have discussed all types of heads on the forum before. But then, look at the improvements realized in LED lighting over the past 4-5 years. Let's not give up hope on some new gee-wiz head improvements might burst onto the scene some day soon. Well...maybe burst was not the best choice of words.
There is hope...like at the new marina they have just built in Clarksville, TN. They actually put the shower house and bathrooms on dock level. Down by the boats!! That is right!!!
NO STEPS TO CLIMB!!! :idea

I have always wondered why the guys who just left the comfort of their homes...and it's bathrooms, can park on same level as the shower-house and bathrooms....and those of us who stayed at the marina over night, must walk up those terrible steep incline steps with frost on them doing that pinched cheek-penguin walk, hoping the code on the gate works the first time and the guy from the house does not plop down on the last available seat if you had been so fortunate to have a successful journey up the steep incline. Just a thought
 
starcrafttom":1dqsivol said:
With the 25 cdory going for 115 k and the 25 cut water going for 99k its not a hard choice really. If I was in the new market I would not be getting the Cdory. And I really hate to say that. but lets compare


180 hp to 300 hp, no shower in the 25 at the show.( might not have been done yet ) hot shower and full head with sink. 100 gallonsCD ( ? ) 120 gallons CW
top speed 25 to 28 mph CD , 50 mph (claimed) CW
cruise speed 18 to 22 mph CD, 26 to 28 Cw ( claimed) MPG CD 1.8 to 2.2 ( different people tell me different things CW 3MPG ( claimed at 26 mph) Thats better then my boat.
One bunk and a table that folds down for one CD, two cabins ( one v-berth one under the table for two and the table folds down CW)

Then there is the finished look. Well Cutwater has that hands down. If you don't agree ask your wife. And the Cd still does not have a fish box. I was on the Cd for 20 mins and heard three people ask"wheres the fish box" and then get off the boat when told there was not one.

The cut water has a lot i dont need but for the same price as 25 cd i will take it. I can't afford either one but how the hell is CD going to compete with that?? When the ranger tugs and the other cut waters came out they were a lot more then the cd and out of our price ranges, but to get so much more for the same price??

Really like talking to the guys from Cd and Iam suppose to pitch a Idea to them about fish box add ones after the show, want to help them pick up sales they are missing.
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Kinda commenting late but I finally went to the boat show last Saturday and have to admit, after seeing the Cutwater 24 first, seeing the C-Dory 25 was a bit of a letdown IMHO. I'm sure it was nicely built but it seemed so Spartan with no flash whatsoever. I know that's what many people like about the C-Dory line but both Caryn and I are finding that fit and finish goes a long way in our opinion. The only thing I didn't like about the Cutwater was the slant of the front window, the lines don't appeal to me nearly as much as the CD-22, I'm not nearly as fond of the lines of the CD-25. I actually think a better comparison to the Cutwater 24 would be the Venture 26, which I like a lot better than the CD-25. I wonder why more people aren't buying that model? Maybe the price?

As for the price of the CD-25 vs the CW-24, I agree with Tom, you're sure getting a lot more boat with the CW-24 at $10k less. At the end of the day, it really has no bearing on us since we're not in the market to buy. But if we were......

Once again, YMMV.
 
Thanks to "Big Mac" for beating me to the punch on the thoughts of the 25. It was awesome to finally meet some of the C-Brats in the flesh! had some good conversations and learned some good new things from everyone.
And just for the record, my first time going through this boat was on the first day of the boat show right when it opened. So my apologies for the "shower confusion" we got the boat right before the show, and the move in process is no time for poking around a boat while everyone else sweats setting up.

Hopefully this boat will sell soon so we can get more in inventory and make it so there will be used boats on the market years from now! Can't buy a used boat if nobody is buying them new!!

Also if anyone is interested in helping me with alot of the new C-dory customers i acquired, I'm running into the challenge of people wanting to see the boat they are about to order, and my dilemma is I don't have it!! So anyone who is willing to get another C-Brat join the community, if any of you would be willing to show your boats to some of my perspective customers I would greatly appreciate it!
 
Hi Matt,

It was great to get to meet you and see the new 25. Fun to get to chat with some of the prospects too. Some good comments and some good questions came out of my experience.

I would be glad to share some of the C-Dory experience with anyone interested. I'm still wanting to get you out on the boat as well. Currently I am launching out of Port Townsend, so anyone you have that are willing to get to there would be more than welcome. As always, any excuse to get on the water is a good one. Glad to help out.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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hardee":1naxpdbw said:
Hi Matt,

It was great to get to meet you and see the new 25. Fun to get to chat with some of the prospects too. Some good comments and some good questions came out of my experience.

I would be glad to share some of the C-Dory experience with anyone interested. I'm still wanting to get you out on the boat as well. Currently I am launching out of Port Townsend, so anyone you have that are willing to get to there would be more than welcome. As always, any excuse to get on the water is a good one. Glad to help out.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon


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A special thanks to you Harvey for meeting me at the boat show and helping promote the C-Dory line, and of course all your education.
I'm still anxious to get out on the water on your 22. Once all the post boat show stuff calms down the time will come.
Also thanks to everyone else who came out and met with me and was not negatively critical on a young salesman getting his start in the boat business. :lol:
 
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