Surprised that their has been little comment about the new 25' Cdory. I thought it looked like a very nice build. Enjoyed seeing it and the two SeaSports on display. Preferring the 22', I would have liked to see one of the new builds of that model, maybe next year. Any other comments from fellow Cbrats?
Cdory 25 at the 2015 SBS
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I'm probably a bit behind the times in C-Dory pricing, but 114k retail or 100k show special for the 25 - Wow! That is some cash - didn't realize that they go for that much now.
Thankfully, they don't change that much from year to year and our 2008 CD22 has everything that we want.
Have a nice day.
Thankfully, they don't change that much from year to year and our 2008 CD22 has everything that we want.
Have a nice day.
PaulNBriannaLynn
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I really liked the wooden cabinetry. Its a nice upgrade compared to the white ones in our boat. Also the LED lights as standard is pretty cool. I've heard people complain about the newer style striping, but I'm kind of fond of it.
I also thought it was great that Mark and the crew from NMI were there to greet us, when we checked out the boat. That's pretty cool to have the guys from the factory that made the boat there to talk to.
The big Sea Sport was one of my favorite boats of the show. It was beautiful and had everything I could ever want, but could never afford.
From the pricing of all boats at the show, the cost of the new 25 was not out of line. The interesting thing was how much more expensive the glass boats were compared to the aluminum pilot house boats. I prefer the warmth and feel of a glass boat, but aluminum has some positive aspects too. I wonder what effect the lower oil prices will have on boat build cost.
I also thought it was great that Mark and the crew from NMI were there to greet us, when we checked out the boat. That's pretty cool to have the guys from the factory that made the boat there to talk to.
The big Sea Sport was one of my favorite boats of the show. It was beautiful and had everything I could ever want, but could never afford.
From the pricing of all boats at the show, the cost of the new 25 was not out of line. The interesting thing was how much more expensive the glass boats were compared to the aluminum pilot house boats. I prefer the warmth and feel of a glass boat, but aluminum has some positive aspects too. I wonder what effect the lower oil prices will have on boat build cost.
Lollygaggin
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RobLL":2mty3841 said:
Wow, wish we could be at that presentation. That exact trip IS my bucket list. We took a big hit with the Canuck buck going as low as it has. Pretty much puts any new C-Dory or Sea Sport out of the equation for us. There is one "last year's" model of 22' Sea Sport "Sportsman" for sale at one of the local dealers here in B.C. That will still cost about $120K Canuck bucks and it really isn't even EXACTLY what we want. And to think; we only paid $30K for our first home, on an acreage, with a creek running through it, within the city limits. We must be old.
There's a few pictures posted on the C-Dory facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/CDoryBoatsssobol":1zfr3uzw said:
starcrafttom
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With the 25 cdory going for 115 k and the 25 cut water going for 99k its not a hard choice really. If I was in the new market I would not be getting the Cdory. And I really hate to say that. but lets compare
180 hp to 300 hp, no shower in the 25 at the show.( might not have been done yet ) hot shower and full head with sink. 100 gallonsCD ( ? ) 120 gallons CW
top speed 25 to 28 mph CD , 50 mph (claimed) CW
cruise speed 18 to 22 mph CD, 26 to 28 Cw ( claimed) MPG CD 1.8 to 2.2 ( different people tell me different things CW 3MPG ( claimed at 26 mph) Thats better then my boat.
One bunk and a table that folds down for one CD, two cabins ( one v-berth one under the table for two and the table folds down CW)
Then there is the finished look. Well Cutwater has that hands down. If you don't agree ask your wife. And the Cd still does not have a fish box. I was on the Cd for 20 mins and heard three people ask"wheres the fish box" and then get off the boat when told there was not one.
The cut water has a lot i dont need but for the same price as 25 cd i will take it. I can't afford either one but how the hell is CD going to compete with that?? When the ranger tugs and the other cut waters came out they were a lot more then the cd and out of our price ranges, but to get so much more for the same price??
Really like talking to the guys from Cd and Iam suppose to pitch a Idea to them about fish box add ones after the show, want to help them pick up sales they are missing.
180 hp to 300 hp, no shower in the 25 at the show.( might not have been done yet ) hot shower and full head with sink. 100 gallonsCD ( ? ) 120 gallons CW
top speed 25 to 28 mph CD , 50 mph (claimed) CW
cruise speed 18 to 22 mph CD, 26 to 28 Cw ( claimed) MPG CD 1.8 to 2.2 ( different people tell me different things CW 3MPG ( claimed at 26 mph) Thats better then my boat.
One bunk and a table that folds down for one CD, two cabins ( one v-berth one under the table for two and the table folds down CW)
Then there is the finished look. Well Cutwater has that hands down. If you don't agree ask your wife. And the Cd still does not have a fish box. I was on the Cd for 20 mins and heard three people ask"wheres the fish box" and then get off the boat when told there was not one.
The cut water has a lot i dont need but for the same price as 25 cd i will take it. I can't afford either one but how the hell is CD going to compete with that?? When the ranger tugs and the other cut waters came out they were a lot more then the cd and out of our price ranges, but to get so much more for the same price??
Really like talking to the guys from Cd and Iam suppose to pitch a Idea to them about fish box add ones after the show, want to help them pick up sales they are missing.
The shower in the 25 was there hiding behind the hanging window cover. Its a pull-out type and stows behind a little hatch with the hot/cold knobs.
We didn't like the Solara 24 but that was just the styling. I can't help but think that boat is taking the Cutwater Brand and putting too much of a Bayliner shine on the whole package.
Looks like a lot for the money and maybe it is, but a lot of what? I would look very closely and ask many questions before starting a relationship with one. Putting an outboard on it was a great idea of course. The dory is starkly bare bones in appearance for the cash required. Some experienced boaters and fewer new ones probably prefer that look or at least the perceived lack of complexity.
Funny how the fishbox was such a deal breaker. Isn't that what coolers and those huge insulated transom bags are for? Easier to live with....
Greg
We didn't like the Solara 24 but that was just the styling. I can't help but think that boat is taking the Cutwater Brand and putting too much of a Bayliner shine on the whole package.
Looks like a lot for the money and maybe it is, but a lot of what? I would look very closely and ask many questions before starting a relationship with one. Putting an outboard on it was a great idea of course. The dory is starkly bare bones in appearance for the cash required. Some experienced boaters and fewer new ones probably prefer that look or at least the perceived lack of complexity.
Funny how the fishbox was such a deal breaker. Isn't that what coolers and those huge insulated transom bags are for? Easier to live with....
Greg
I am over 1,000 miles away from the Seattle Boat Show, so don't have the benefit of seeing this new Cutwater in person. On their site, they say the "Special Pricing" is from $99,937. So, that's where it starts... and I would bet money that is an introductory price to bring some new folks in. With all the other boats they sell, Ranger can afford to "supplement" this model's initial offering... good for those who get in early, but they are buying a completely new model.
From the photos, it looks nice. Ranger knows how to design boats that people like, AND how to market them. Unfortunately, in my opinion, C-Dory (and that includes several factory owners down the line) lost their ability or desire to market boats when Jeff moved to Ranger. Buy a Ranger or a Cutwater, and you know there will be interaction between the boat owner and the factory (yes, including when bought through a dealer) - you are part of their "family." The C-Dory "family" exists on this forum; not because of any action (or inaction) of the factory. Frankly, that IS important to a lot of people.
I have owned boats with a full inner liner - they look great, but it does limit your access to wiring, etc. I can see the advantages either way.
When we ordered our CD-25 at the SBS in 2006, there were Boat Show incentives that saved us several thousand dollars (and helped fill the build slots for much of the year for the factory). With this new Cutwater, I have no doubt they are doing the same thing. So, if you want one, Tom, now would be better than later.
New boat fever... I only know of one solution, and it is rarely a permanent one. :twisted: Ahhhh, I love the smell of "new boat"!!
Jim
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From the photos, it looks nice. Ranger knows how to design boats that people like, AND how to market them. Unfortunately, in my opinion, C-Dory (and that includes several factory owners down the line) lost their ability or desire to market boats when Jeff moved to Ranger. Buy a Ranger or a Cutwater, and you know there will be interaction between the boat owner and the factory (yes, including when bought through a dealer) - you are part of their "family." The C-Dory "family" exists on this forum; not because of any action (or inaction) of the factory. Frankly, that IS important to a lot of people.
I have owned boats with a full inner liner - they look great, but it does limit your access to wiring, etc. I can see the advantages either way.
When we ordered our CD-25 at the SBS in 2006, there were Boat Show incentives that saved us several thousand dollars (and helped fill the build slots for much of the year for the factory). With this new Cutwater, I have no doubt they are doing the same thing. So, if you want one, Tom, now would be better than later.
New boat fever... I only know of one solution, and it is rarely a permanent one. :twisted: Ahhhh, I love the smell of "new boat"!!
Jim
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starcrafttom
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No new boat for me but just see a hugh gap in what you get for the money. Wish it was not so but it is. And yes Cut water is buying the market right now with low pricing but that is just business.
I asked about the shower and was told that boat did not have one?? maybe the presenter should know his boat more?
ice boxes take up room and get in the way. fish boxes also provide more storage for the none fisherman. I think a lack of box ,when every other boat does have one, is a deal killer if you are going to fish. I was much happier after I spent time and money adding one to my 22. single best improvement to the boat.
I asked about the shower and was told that boat did not have one?? maybe the presenter should know his boat more?
ice boxes take up room and get in the way. fish boxes also provide more storage for the none fisherman. I think a lack of box ,when every other boat does have one, is a deal killer if you are going to fish. I was much happier after I spent time and money adding one to my 22. single best improvement to the boat.
Fish boxes have plus and minus features. The ones in the Tom Cat have been a bit of a problem--with the poor access of the macerators, and leaking hatch covers. I have seen some boats with great fish boxes, including "coffin boxes" above the deck level. Room could be made under the floor of the C Dory 25 for a built in fish box--or under the splash well, with a dedicated change to the build of the boat.
I suspect that the real world mileage of the Cutwater will not be as good as the C Dory 25. More deadrise in the cutwater, more HP for the cutwater. I can see that the diesel could be a higher MPG, but aagain, that is diesel vs gas--not the boat.
I for one prefer the utilitarian type of interior. In the long run, I find it easier to maintain.
All of this inflated new boat price, only helps keep the value up of our used boats.
I suspect that the real world mileage of the Cutwater will not be as good as the C Dory 25. More deadrise in the cutwater, more HP for the cutwater. I can see that the diesel could be a higher MPG, but aagain, that is diesel vs gas--not the boat.
I for one prefer the utilitarian type of interior. In the long run, I find it easier to maintain.
All of this inflated new boat price, only helps keep the value up of our used boats.
journey on
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Well, the price for a 25 C-Dory appears to be $100K, with motor and less trailer. I believe Journey On cost ~$75K in 2005 with trailer, and fuel oil was ~$30/barrel (if I remember correctly.) Fuel oil is what produces the resin for fiberglass, so boat prices tend to follow that cost.
The Cutwater Solaria 24 is certainly a direct comparison with the C-Dory. It comes (std) with a gas V-6 I/O. It doesn't have all the extras of the Cutwater 26, including a diesel or thrusters. Everything is now an option. I wonder what a outboard version would cost?
For both boats, you'll need to add a trailer (~8K?). And I've never heard of not having a built in fish box being a deal breaker, for either the C-Dory or Cutwater. I'd have to see them side by side to figure out which I'd want. Judy certainly prefers the C-Dory over the Ranger Tugs at any price.
Also, beware of mfg's fuel figures. They're taken with an empty boat and Kentucky windage. I remember the fuel figures on the C-Dory 10 years ago. I'm not sure if they were a lie, but they certainly were not the whole truth.
Is Jeff still with the Cutwater/Ranger company?
Boris
The Cutwater Solaria 24 is certainly a direct comparison with the C-Dory. It comes (std) with a gas V-6 I/O. It doesn't have all the extras of the Cutwater 26, including a diesel or thrusters. Everything is now an option. I wonder what a outboard version would cost?
For both boats, you'll need to add a trailer (~8K?). And I've never heard of not having a built in fish box being a deal breaker, for either the C-Dory or Cutwater. I'd have to see them side by side to figure out which I'd want. Judy certainly prefers the C-Dory over the Ranger Tugs at any price.
Also, beware of mfg's fuel figures. They're taken with an empty boat and Kentucky windage. I remember the fuel figures on the C-Dory 10 years ago. I'm not sure if they were a lie, but they certainly were not the whole truth.
Is Jeff still with the Cutwater/Ranger company?
Boris
starcrafttom
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Ira, that is the only fish box I have seen in a 25 and I like it as lot. Not in the new boats.
I spent some time on the CD25 and it is a pretty nice boat. The drawers under the helm seat are NICE. My 22 had them when I got it. they were custom mode by the PO. I like the wood touches in the interior, like the LED lights, and all the room. Like the position (starboard cabin aft), of the head/shower, (which was there all the time, but not all of the marketing crew were aware of that, or where it was, early on.) IF I was in the market, (and between the CW and the CD) it would be the CD, and It would not have a traditional head, macerator and holding tank. IT WOULD be an "Airhead" with the holding tank converted to storage or fresh water tank. That should be the factory default, in my opinion. There are really no negatives to the Airhead system.
While there, I had a chance to visit with two couples, both who had looked at aluminum and at some other glass boats, Cut Water included. Both were positively impressed, although the fish box did come up with one set. It did not sound like it would be a deal breaker and they were told it could be added in as an option.
I also liked the step height from cockpit sole to gunnel, the step is almost half of the distance. There are inspection ports all over. The self bailing cockpit, is a good step up from the cabin sole.
The new "pleather" seating covers looks really nice and feels good. Might be a consideration for an upgrade for me, for the seats anyway. Would have to think some about changing the vee birth pads to that.
Sorry, I missed a pix of the new stripe. It does seem "bolder" at least. The trim tabs installed were a new (to me) kind, not the Bennett or Lenco.
Should I win the lottery (yes I should) a new 25CD would be on my list for sure, because i could afford that and a new truck to pull it with. If I win the lottery, (not likely), it would still be on my list. It is a nicely finished, efficient and sturdy boat.
Harvey
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While there, I had a chance to visit with two couples, both who had looked at aluminum and at some other glass boats, Cut Water included. Both were positively impressed, although the fish box did come up with one set. It did not sound like it would be a deal breaker and they were told it could be added in as an option.
I also liked the step height from cockpit sole to gunnel, the step is almost half of the distance. There are inspection ports all over. The self bailing cockpit, is a good step up from the cabin sole.
The new "pleather" seating covers looks really nice and feels good. Might be a consideration for an upgrade for me, for the seats anyway. Would have to think some about changing the vee birth pads to that.
Sorry, I missed a pix of the new stripe. It does seem "bolder" at least. The trim tabs installed were a new (to me) kind, not the Bennett or Lenco.
Should I win the lottery (yes I should) a new 25CD would be on my list for sure, because i could afford that and a new truck to pull it with. If I win the lottery, (not likely), it would still be on my list. It is a nicely finished, efficient and sturdy boat.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
journey on
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Good, Jeff Messmer is a great person with whom to do business and I assume whatever success the company has is in large part due to his abilities. Say hello from me.
Boris
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