Canadian Boarder opens April 1st
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starcrafttom
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unless something has changed Canada is still closed to anyone that is not full vaccinated. I will miss Canada for another year it looks like. Just pure stupidity at this point.
and I dont care what others think.
and I dont care what others think.
BTW - if you are visiting CA this summer in Vancouver area, be aware that rental cars are extremely limited in supply and quite expensive. Even renting off airport is difficult and limited. Not sure of the reasons, but we did change our plans and are now driving across vs flying.
I don't believe CA requires the booster yet...
I don't believe CA requires the booster yet...
smckean (Tosca)
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starcrafttom":jptokf26 said:
Gotta agree with you on that one.... :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:
I plan to spend a lot of time in Canada this summer. I'm a bit afraid that latent demand is going to make it crowded up there. For the first time, I'm grateful to the non-vaxxers :wink:.
johnr,
In all due respect, can you please show us a link that states otherwise? From what I have read recently; those wishing to travel into Canadian via personal watercraft from another Country must show that they are fully vaccinated when reporting to Canadian Customs. I would love to be proven wrong on this! Thank you.
Gary
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voya ... p-eng.html
quote: ArriveCAN is mandatory for all travellers
Travellers arriving by marine mode are required to submit their mandatory information including their proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN before or when entering Canada.
In all due respect, can you please show us a link that states otherwise? From what I have read recently; those wishing to travel into Canadian via personal watercraft from another Country must show that they are fully vaccinated when reporting to Canadian Customs. I would love to be proven wrong on this! Thank you.
Garyhttps://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voya ... p-eng.html
quote: ArriveCAN is mandatory for all travellers
Travellers arriving by marine mode are required to submit their mandatory information including their proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN before or when entering Canada.
DayBreak":1xew7ace said:johnr,
In all due respect, can you please show us a link that states otherwise? From what I have read recently; those wishing to travel into Canadian via personal watercraft from another Country must show that they are fully vaccinated when reporting to Canadian Customs. I would love to be proven wrong on this! Thank you.
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voya ... p-eng.html
quote: ArriveCAN is mandatory for all travellers
Travellers arriving by marine mode are required to submit their mandatory information including their proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN before or when entering Canada.
Starcraftom wrote that "Canada is still closed to anyone that is not full vaccinated." That is not true. You can cross for work, compassionate travel (to care for a sick one, for example), and other purposes too. As far as I know, if you want to cross for play and you are not vaxxed then, as of this writing, you are SOL Here's the best link I know of right now.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/trave ... zard-start
I'm up here in Bellingham and it's the first day that the border is more or less open to vaccinated travelers. The Costco here in town is madness right now, packed with Canadians. Apparently there was no food in Canada during the covids.
johnr":2mmbs14i said:DayBreak":2mmbs14i said:johnr,
In all due respect, can you please show us a link that states otherwise? From what I have read recently; those wishing to travel into Canadian via personal watercraft from another Country must show that they are fully vaccinated when reporting to Canadian Customs. I would love to be proven wrong on this! Thank you.
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voya ... p-eng.html
quote: ArriveCAN is mandatory for all travellers
Travellers arriving by marine mode are required to submit their mandatory information including their proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN before or when entering Canada.
Starcraftom wrote that "Canada is still closed to anyone that is not full vaccinated." That is not true. You can cross for work, compassionate travel (to care for a sick one, for example), and other purposes too. As far as I know, if you want to cross for play and you are not vaxxed then, as of this writing, you are SOL Here's the best link I know of right now.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/trave ... zard-start
I'm up here in Bellingham and it's the first day that the border is more or less open to vaccinated travelers. The Costco here in town is madness right now, packed with Canadians. Apparently there was no food in Canada during the covids and there is no shortage of vaxxed travelers.
starcrafttom
Active member
I used the travel wizard to see if I could take my boat across and I can not. I was not looking to see about work as that does not apply here. So that make even less sense then before. I guess covid is only a problem if you are having fun. What if I come there and promise not to smile??? Like I said at this point all these regulations are useless and useless things are stupid. We have both had the covid and lived, just like the other 99.9% who have been exposed to it. Its time for the politicians to stop the charade and go back to normal.
smckean (Tosca)
New member
Tom, medical science doesn't agree with you. It is known that the COVID vaccines increase one's protection even if you've been previously infected by the virus; therefore, the "stupid" policy is more likely to be a policy of refusing to get the vaccine regardless of whether or not you've been previously infected. Here is an expert opinion (vs a layman's opinion) on the subject. This information was extracted from an article by the University of Nebraska Medical Center.Starcrafttom":29qgd5bf said:
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If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
- More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
- Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
- Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
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You can read the full analysis here:
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid ... accination
P.S. Also, from an enforcement point-of-view, it is much easier to document your vaccination status than to document the antibody levels in your body resulting from a possible infection that may have occurred (especially since a third of COVID-19 infections produce no measurable antibodies).
starcrafttom
Active member
You missed the part where I said I don't care what others think. I believe what the Israelis published and you can go look that up if you want yourself if you want. As for Canada they atvthis point are being stupid for not letting some in but not others. I will only go back when no shot is required because I don't need one. Each show make there own choice and the man should mind his own damm buisness as should you.
starcrafttom
Active member
You missed the part where I said I don't care what others think. I believe what the Israelis published and you can go look that up if you want yourself if you want. As for Canada they atvthis point are being stupid for not letting some in but not others. I will only go back when no shot is required because I don't need one. Each show make there own choice and the man should mind his own damm buisness as should you.
Pat Anderson
New member
Your choice, Tom. And I understand that you don't care what others think. We chose to get the full offering of jabs, and will get the second booster as soon as we can. We will enjoy boating in Canada as well as driving up to Vancouver for Granville Island. I disagree that the Canadian policy is "useless" or "stupid," but as on many other points, we can disagree. I still count you among my friends!
starcrafttom
Active member
Hi pat. Did you ever decide about that pot puller or the electronics? Can not wait to get back out on the water. Its been 6 month since we used the boat. Winter pheasant and duck hunting consumes me all winter.
We just got back from from a week or so in the PNW visiting family. Entering in Idaho was routine and coming back through Aldergrove was easy. My wife downloaded and completed the ArriveCan Ap ( https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... vecan.html ) prior to our departure. She finalized information as drove north from Astoria.
We waited in line about 45 mins. Our interaction with Canadian officials took less than 5 mins. The whole process was painless.
In summary it was not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. In 50 years of crossing borders, we have had other experiences that were far more challenging. :thup
We waited in line about 45 mins. Our interaction with Canadian officials took less than 5 mins. The whole process was painless.
In summary it was not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. In 50 years of crossing borders, we have had other experiences that were far more challenging. :thup
journey on
New member
starcrafttom, I did what you suggested and tried to look up the Israel report. The only ones I found were the reports about how well their vacc campaign went, the risk of myocarditis and the need for a booster shot. None of those look like an article that said non-vacc was better than vacc.
Could you please give some link or reference to the Israel report you reference? I ask because our non-vacc daughter is coming over for Easter and I'd like to have a decent discussion with her.
Thanks, Boris
Could you please give some link or reference to the Israel report you reference? I ask because our non-vacc daughter is coming over for Easter and I'd like to have a decent discussion with her.
Thanks, Boris
smckean (Tosca)
New member
journey on,
This "Israeli report" has caused much confusion since it was released last summer. This report ("Maccabi Healthcare Services" report) is often quoted as saying that "natural immunity" is some 13 times more effective at preventing reinfection with Delta than someone who had the 2 shot mRNA vaccine getting infected. Non-vaxxer's quote this 13x number all the time.
However, there are problems with taking this as gospel. First, the study is based purely on statistics found in existing databases (this was not a study with actual participants etc). Second, the study is out-of-date now (the data itself was from early 2021). Third, many reputable medical scientists question the techniques of the study (there are several selection bias problems; plus the study was not based on randomized data).
Today with the boosters available and such, the Maccabi study results no longer really reflect reality. Today it is known that natural immunity alone is least effective; full vaccination next most effective, and vaccination on top of natural immunity is most effective. If I were you, I would do other research in addition to this study before you talk it over with your daughter.
This "Israeli report" has caused much confusion since it was released last summer. This report ("Maccabi Healthcare Services" report) is often quoted as saying that "natural immunity" is some 13 times more effective at preventing reinfection with Delta than someone who had the 2 shot mRNA vaccine getting infected. Non-vaxxer's quote this 13x number all the time.
However, there are problems with taking this as gospel. First, the study is based purely on statistics found in existing databases (this was not a study with actual participants etc). Second, the study is out-of-date now (the data itself was from early 2021). Third, many reputable medical scientists question the techniques of the study (there are several selection bias problems; plus the study was not based on randomized data).
Today with the boosters available and such, the Maccabi study results no longer really reflect reality. Today it is known that natural immunity alone is least effective; full vaccination next most effective, and vaccination on top of natural immunity is most effective. If I were you, I would do other research in addition to this study before you talk it over with your daughter.
kennharriet
Member
I wonder what science is being employed as the US southern border continues to be overwhelmed. If vaccination and public health was important, this would not be happening.