Boat pricing...

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Wefings":nd4k1vp5 said:
And Jim ,pray tell, why would you not be looking for clean used consignment/brokerage boats no matter what the market ? Brokers have no risk and minimal investment .
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Ah, Marc, but this particular dealer does have a limit on space. When they sold my tri, there was no charge for storage/moorage/cleaning while they had it. I've dealt with them over the last decade, and this is the first time I've seen them soliciting brokerage boats. Although they REALLY wanted to sell me a big ol' Island Packet SP Cruiser when I sold the tri.

I understand that there is less risk/investment in brokering boats. Also doesn't cost much besides time to do an e-mail campaign. I just thought it was a positive sign, since the last time I heard from these folks was when they sent ME a check. No doubt that you know how to market,. But, I have to wonder if anyone here (besides your customers, of course) have heard from any boat dealers, even if just to keep one's name out there? Your newsletter is an excellent example of brand marketing and keeping your products in people's minds.

Now, I'm no Top Parrent, but I am a proven boat buyer... and something dealers like: I've bought NEW boats. Not like I'm looking for more stuff in my inbox, but It was interesting to see some marketing being done.

Best wishes,
Jim
 
Yellowstone":2xlytzgi said:
When I watch the money rolling off the government printing presses and watch the fever of entitlement infecting our masses, (even those who are here illegally), I wonder where the good ship America is heading.

John
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Agree 100%. Our current economic situation is unsustainable, PERIOD and I fear for our future and the future of my children and grandchildren. Our rudder is confused, our hull foundering and the "captain & crew" in charge are heading us straight onto the rocks.

See THAT was boating oriented!
 
Not sure that I agree with Yellowstone's friend. We were in S. Florida and didn't see many screeming bargins, but saw a lot of junk boats. I think that the super deals are few and far between. A year and a half ago, there were some super deals. It depends on what you want in the way of a boat. Everyonce and a while you will see a really great bargin, but the boat may have limited interests.

I just sold my Century 18 CC today. There was some interest in the boat back in November, but relitatiely little currently, when you would think that the season is just starting in Pensacola. I sold it for $1500 under my asking price--and a bit more than that under low blue. A good deal for the new owner, but not a screming bargin. (I did have some low ball offers, but there are always some bottom feeders.)
 
The quotient is pretty simple , and it kind of relates right back to the article by Jim's neighbor Doc (whom Ive spoken with and is a very interesting guy, and would love to sell you a boat]that Jim has posted here . There were a lot of good deals 1 year ago or so [mostly dealer repos and Textron liquidating their portfolio], the folks and dealers with cash got them . The deals are thinning and new boats and real warranties are starting to have an appeal again .Builders have to cut their expenses and margins just like the remaining dealers have . I am getting less stupid low ball offers and more reasonable offers in my day to day dealings than I was a year ago. That's a good sign for me .And you . Innovation will resume , product evolution will rev up once again . For the most part, we still build the worlds most desirable boats here in the US . If nobody buys em , they will cease to be built. Or they will be built cheaper somewhere else. Oh, and we have financed 4 boats at great rates in the last month with a number of others financed by credit unions . There is demand ,credit, and interest in the smell of new fiberglass once again .
Marc
 
Well, we could say that the captain and crew got us off the dismal rocks we had been foundering on for the prior eight years, but I guess we really don't want to ignite THAT one again. We all know your politics, and you all know mine, perhaps we should just leave it at that...

localboy":1nid7wr8 said:
Our rudder is confused, our hull foundering and the "captain & crew" in charge are heading us straight onto the rocks.

See THAT was boating oriented!
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build it and they will come! not necessarily. the largest block of population is either in or approaching retirement. if i am to reach into my pocket and pull out cash it's going to take an exceptional deal and an outstanding product. don't believe i'm alone on that concept. so, build them better but not more expensive and they might come! i've looked at many boats over the past 3 months, 280, 300, 320 searay's, 30' mainship pilot house, regals and rinkers, would like more room as well as amenities than the c-dory offers, but i've set a limit on a cash price and haven't found the boat yet that gives me the motivation to write the check. i feel at my age and approaching retirement it would not be prudent to finance any purchase, especially for a product that is not necessary. cash is king, and cash is very hard to spend! if the boating industry becomes dependent on our younger population, that has become over taxed, 10% unemployed, and responsible for my social security monthly payment, go luck to them!
in my area gas is approx. $.90 more per gallon than this time last year.
talked to a searay dealer last week and he concurred they are building less boats but will price them higher, than in the past. good deal?
pat
 
Bulletin:

We cannnot continue to spend, spend, spend, spend, spend...eventually the bill becomes so huge, it is impossible to pay off and the entire economic system collapses.
 
Pat Anderson":3orsaw4i said:
We all know your politics, and you all know mine, perhaps we should just leave it at that...
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Always the best advice Pat.

I love keeping the boating board about boats. I pretty much stopped digging through the bilge (aka THT) due to the lack of moderation and civility over there.

C-Brats is such a refreshing place.


I'm in a good mood...I just got home from Hawaii, the boat engines are purring like kittens (first start since November), and tomorrow is splash day!
 
toyman":33t4te6l said:
Ya, except the Gulf produces ~ 1.7 million barrels per day, the North Sea produces ~ 3.5 million.
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Yeah, what a great idea: use up all the domestic oil now so we can selfishly have lower prices and our kids can be held hostage again by OPEC in 20 years. My goodness haven't we been down this road before? Let's all live beyond our means and pay for it with credit cards so we can have fun now. Lets "cash out the equity" in our homes to pay for that vacation, that remodel, that boat/toy, since saving (remember grandpa talking about that) is just too tedious for today's world.

All this me, me, me, I want it now, now, now is what's wrong with the world today. Spend it all now and to heck with the needs of tomorrow for at least we had a great party while it lasted. I cannot believe how shortsighted my fellow citizens have become! This domestic oil is literally money in the bank that can be saved for a rainy day when our need is a lot more than just "it's too expensive to fill up my 12 mpg SUV". With no domestic resources left in 20 years, what is to prevent OPEC or any other oil producer from just stopping sales to the military and grounding our air force? It's like spending all your savings on beer and partying and not buying insurance on your home or paying the mortgage.
 
Jim - Now I don't want you to get misty eyed when you read the following. No, its not about boat costs.

Edna and I, being retired and celebrating the fact that every day is Friday afternoon, as hedonistic as that sounds, saw in the paper that Yellowstone was allowing a no charge weekend for motorists to ply its highways for this weekend.

The weather for mid April was very pleasant. No rain and temperatures in the sixties. Since we are less than two hours from Gardiner, we decided to head out Friday morning for a quick car tour.

We stopped at the Xanterra offices to take care of our slip renewal at Bridge Bay before proceeding on, and lo and behold, your old cruise ship was sitting there very much out of place with buffalo and elk nibbling nearby. I would not want to tow that back and forth to Bridge Bay.

May 21 is the magic date for getting into Bridge Bay, and although the highway is bare to the lake area, the ranger at the gate said we couldn't drive past Caniyon Village because the Park Service hasn't budgeted enough money to patrol that extra 20 miles, which seems to me a bogus
excuse, but oh well.

We headed to Cooke City instead, going as far as the Lamar Valley.
The snow pack is way down this year and we saw very large numbers of elk and buffalo grazing on the southern exposed hills. Sixty degrees without any wind and almost cloudless skies and we thought we were in Florida.

The Yellowstone River is crystal clear and the drift boat folks were on the River below Gardiner.

Are you going to get a fresh water rinse on Wild Blue, preferably at near 8,000 feet this year? Take care,

John
 
Yellowstone":5r3l3kkx said:
Joe -Is Shasta still dropping?
John
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John-

Shasta is 10 feet from being full and overflowing!

No "bath tub ring"* visible, to speak of! (* refering to the brown beach showing below the high water mark.)

Quite an improvement from 160 feet down last fall!

The resort/houseboat rental folks are dancing in the streets and expectantly fingering the cash register drawers!

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Joe. :teeth :thup
 
localboy":3gg19rlg said:
Bulletin:

We cannnot continue to spend, spend, spend, spend, spend...eventually the bill becomes so huge, it is impossible to pay off and the entire economic system collapses.
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Bulletin - there's many of us who are just getting tired of the constant use of this site to promote/expound on political views. I ditto what Pat said.
 
Wefings":34wd4py0 said:
The quotient is pretty simple , and it kind of relates right back to the article by Jim's neighbor Doc (whom Ive spoken with and is a very interesting guy, and would love to sell you a boat]that Jim has posted here . There were a lot of good deals 1 year ago or so [mostly dealer repos and Textron liquidating their portfolio], the folks and dealers with cash got them . The deals are thinning and new boats and real warranties are starting to have an appeal again .Builders have to cut their expenses and margins just like the remaining dealers have . I am getting less stupid low ball offers and more reasonable offers in my day to day dealings than I was a year ago. That's a good sign for me .And you . Innovation will resume , product evolution will rev up once again . For the most part, we still build the worlds most desirable boats here in the US . If nobody buys em , they will cease to be built. Or they will be built cheaper somewhere else. Oh, and we have financed 4 boats at great rates in the last month with a number of others financed by credit unions . There is demand ,credit, and interest in the smell of new fiberglass once again .
Marc
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I love the smell of fresh fiberglass in the morning!

This is encouraging to hear. Regardless of one's politics (and I'd guess that very few here know mine), we'd all like to see things improve for the boating industry. :thup

Best wishes,
Jim
 
ok, for me, now just for me, what makes this c-brat site interesting is the diversity of subject, both on and off the water. i enjoy reading what all my friends have to say! i enjoy when c-brats post jokes, tell about family and friends and even when they reflect on politics.
i would encourage everyone to voice their opinions, there concerns, there passions, their goals. if a subject pops up and i find i have little or no interest in, then i simply move to another post. can't say i have ever found a problem with any post, or it's author, and certainly view each post as an opportunity to learn something of value to me.
pat
 
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