AGM batteries

Here is some lite reading on both types

Lead acid. http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... _batteries

AGM. http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... ss_mat_agm

My Suzuki DF115 has a 40 amp alternator. So it is bigger than the Yamaha and the batteries seem to be holding up well. I know that if you over charge the AGM's it will shorten there life. So if you left them on the charger all the time it would probably hurt them. That is one of the nice things about them. I usually charge them for a half a day before I leave and I don't do anything when I come back. I'd be interested in knowing why Yamaha doesn't like them.
 
Jody,
I notice your boat is listed as a 2007. Did you have the AGM's since the boat was new? I'm just wondering how long you have actually been using the AGM's.
D.D.
 
I took out the lead acid as soon as I got home from Seattle April 2007. Run an Optima blue top for the cranking and a Trojan Grp 31 for the house. Still getting good performance out of both. I will probably change them out at 6 years. Cheaper than a tow.
 
Jody,
I feel so cheap, we are still running the acid batteries that came with the boat in the spring of 2009. I thought I would at least wait four years before starting to rotate them out. Our Espar heater is our biggest load on our house battery. We have been boating for thirty years have not been towed yet. I always spring for the insurance though.

Justin Case
 
I tend to use the AGM only when I am mounting batteries where they are in accessible (cannot check the electrolyte level), interior, since there is less chance of any hydrogen gas production (it can be pro ducted, but is rare), or have to be mounted on their sides, or ends. There is some argument not to mount upside down, because then the valve regulation (release of H) may not occur properly.

The AGM are much more expensive than lead acid, and I don't feel that the slight increase in rate of charge (most of our outboards can not put out enough amperage to take advantage of that effect) or the more rapid "release" of power again is useable in our small boats. As for the increased longevity there is some controversy still.

As for Yamaha not being compatible with AGM--the company apparently has taken that line--and i have been told two different stories. One was that Yamaha has not done testing with AGM's; the other was that some Yamaha alternators put put 15.1 volts (which is indeed a bit high for AGM on a regular basis. (some battery manufacturers suggest that their AGM be equalized, which does involve relitatively short time of higher voltage) SIM who is a Yamaha dealer initially stated that they did not use AGM with the Yamaha engines, but about 2008 changed that stand, and has been using AGM without problems. There are some reports of blow regulators, but I am not convinced that this is any higher with AGM than lead acid. I had a Yamaha 115 and I never saw more than 14.4 volts on a good digital volt meter I had installed. If indeed, you have a Yamaha, which puts out over 15 volts, then avoid AGM.

I believe that Steve Dashew is still using Lead acid Traction batteries in his boats. You do have to remember that traction batteries are much larger than the conventional batteries which we use. (Even the L 16 mentioned in the off the grid system which was linked to are much larger than the batteries used on C Dories. Generally the less (%) you discharge the batteries, the longer they last. Steve feels that he can live with 80% discharge--and 1200 full cycles in the extreme. If you only go 50% discharge, then the traction batteries can last from 3500 to 5000 discharge cycles. For comparison the AGM Life line batteries are rated for slightly under 1000 cycles.

One of the better sources of information on batteries and their use is at:
http://www.lafdacs.org/pdf_files/Batteries.pdf

Any good quality marine type battery, properly cared for will last 4 to 6 years, you might get a year or more out of a set of AGM's, But traction batteries can last as long as 15 to 20 years...if well cared for. However, out little C Dories cannot carry the weight, and don't require the power that is available. I have a friend who is building a large power cat and he has about 3000 lbs of traction batteries aboard--no 110 volt genet--only a 24 volt 200 amp alternator on a separate diesel, plus the engine 200 amp alternators. Inverters run all of his power needs, including air conditioning.
 
I was about to post additional information concerning Yamaha and AGM, and Bob beat me to it, with the same basic information I was going to post.

A note about charging output on modern outboards-

The amperage amounts listed on a particular engine is not the amperage available for charging the battery, as part of that output is being used to run the engine's computer and electrical system (including injectors).

For comparison- amperage output on current (pun not intended) 90 hp outboards:

Evinrude: 81 Amps (25 net dedicated to the battery)
Honda: 44 Amps
Mercury: 50 Amp
Suzuki: 27 Amp
Yamaha: 25 Amp

Note that Evinrude is the only manufacturer to state how much is actually available for charging the battery. Their injectors are much more complex than the other engines, and take more energy to operate, so don't assume that the other brands need 50+ amps just to operate. The Mercury uses a belt driven alternator.
 
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