1984 22 C-Dory price question

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islandarch

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I just retired and want to get back into my childhood hobby. Fishing in the NW About one year ago a friend took me for a ride in his older 22' C-Dory. The last time I was on a power boat was about 1970. My dad's 16' plywood runabout with an 80 hp. Boy did it go fast, but that is another story.

I was out about is the sticks and saw a 1984 22'C-Dory. It turns out the Owner passed away earlier in the year and I could make an offer.

It has wood slats on the deck and a used 70 HP Mercury outboard - No Kicker

It has been In the Salt water most of Its life. I needs to be detailed as it has barnacles and etc. It comes with a used trailer.

I want to be fair to the widow. Any price suggestions?

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The pre 1987 boats are different than the 1987 on boats. The earlier boats have a flatter bottom, with a true semi dory bottom. The later boats have some degree of variable deadrise.

Some of the early boats are still in great condition, but some have been neglected, and you really need to know if there is any rot in any of the cored structure.

The age and condition of the motor also have to be factored in. (Also 4 stroke vs 2 stroke) (I would be sure that at the very least that that the engine runs, that compression and leak down are OK. Most likely the carburetors will have to be rebuilt (assuming it is a carbonated engine--most likely it is).

There is a "Marketplace Reference" accessed from the home page, down past boats for sale, and equipment

Going over that for a few years, shows boats with no engine, or an unknown engine going from $4900 (or less) to an asking price on a very well equiped, (full Canvas, electronics and newer 4 stroke for $16,000.

I was in a similar position when my friend down the street passed on, and his son wanted to buy the boat from the estate, and I advised his widow toward the lower end of the market because of unknowns.

Can you get photos, and any sense of the engine's conditiopn?
 
The outboard works. I do not know the age yet. I have not noted any rot. I think has been stored under cover in the winter.

I have several photos located in my windows docs folder but can not figure out how to insert them.

Thanks
 
One thing that strikes me right away, is that this is a painted trailer. They don't last long in salt water, unless you can really rinse them well after each dunk--and this means more than just a quick hose off.

The motor running is a real plus--compression would be very helpful--and is easy to do.

Agree with Joe--this does not look pristine. I would be in the $7,000 range, and that would allow enough to bring things up to "snuff" unless you found some significant delamination/core rot. The door needs to be redone. We don't know about the transom: Put full weight on the lower unit of motor with it in trailering position--and see if any flex--looking for bad transom. Also look for cracks or evidence of breakdown of the hull to deck joint in the middle of the top of the transom.

Good luck.
 
Doug-

If you decide to buy and fix it up or have it done, be sure to make a realistic estimation of the costs.

Folks unfamiliar with boat work often underestimate the cost of materials and or labor.

This is where taking a C-Brat friend (or two) from your area with you to look the boat over can be of invaluable assistance.

Often is cheaper and much easier to just buy a boat in better condition to start with. :wink

Good Luck!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
As the original 28 yr. owner of a 1983 CD and with my son the next 7 yr. owner we have a few comments,,,,,,,,,,,,

1st; if the entire outfit was as nice as the alum. wheels on the trailer it would be a $8k buy but with the painted trailer, questionable engine and obvious lack of cleaning and polishing a $5k value is in order.
What is the deal on all of those gas cans.?? If sun faded they should go into the dump.
Also check on the floor around the motor box. It is susceptible to deck cracking and core rot. If it is or will be repaired a much heavier glass attachment to the floor would be a good deal to prevent future cracking. The bow railing bolts may cause some rot in the gunnel core.

In the 1st 28 yrs. it was beach launched/retrieved in salt water approx. 25 times each year. The trailer bearings and springs were replaced after 20 yrs. Then the original EZ Loader trailer was replaced after 24 yrs with a Canadian made (Road Runner- excellent) bunk model and is still in use today.
The original engine (used by me), a 115 hp 1979 Johnson 2 stroke was replaced in 1997 with a new 90 hp Honda and it is in use today. THe Johnson "grenaded" after towing a dead in the water 37' boat approx. 8 miles against a 5 knot tide flow. It over heated and scored the cylinder walls.
The electronics (nothing fancy) were updated throughout its life.

I sold it to my son with the 90 hp Honda and Road Runner trailer and a 1977 hp Johnson kicker for $10k. in 2010. He thought it was a good deal.

If you have any questions let me know. Good luck on Mon.

Jack in Alaska
 
Actually I have a friend who has the same boat but newer. He is going to look at when he gets back from vacation.
It maybe the case that a newer boat is better.
 
I have a c-dory of that vintage. Even older, but with a 1998 Honda 90. By no means is it in showroom condition cosmetically, but it's structurally, sound and the engine is in good condition with low hours for it's age. Earlier this year, I was thinking about buying a 26ft Tollycraft and, just to see what would happen, I put it out there on Craigslist that I would be interested in trading my C-dory for a Tolly.

Well, I didn't get any interest in a trade, but I was inundated with folks who wanted to buy my boat and they were offering in the neighbor hood of 12 - 15K. I point this out because it's very difficult to buy ANY 22 foot C-dory for 15K or less. Yes, it happens on occasion and most often it's because they need a lot of work and need to be re-powered.
 
jack in Alaska could it be Alaska related? I am getting higher numbers see blow. I have the right to reject the boat after detailed inspection on Monday
 
Just one comment one should keep in mind the 62 old owner just died this fall and his 30 yr daughter is overwhelmed with selling the home, boat and all the junk that has been accumulated of 13 years by her dad.
 
I believe the reason you are getting low numbers is because of the unknown condition, the older motor, and the painted trailer. I am certainly conscious of the situation of the sale--and am not giving numbers which I think would "cheat" the daughter.

If the boat had a Honda 4 Stroke in the 1998 vintage with low hours, a boat known to be structurally sound, and decent galvanized trailer, than I would agree with the $10,000 to $12,000 range--maybe a little higher.

Even though the engine starts and runs, until you put it under load you won't know much. Probably unknown hours ?. (Could easily be at the end of its life.).

If you look at the boat, and your friend gets a good look at it, then you will a better idea. I doubt that you can sea trial it this time of the year, but if you can, that would not be at all out of line. But I am factoring in your going to have to get a new engine (or lightly used) and better trailer, especially is used in salt water.

I have seen newer 22' with a bad engine, or underpowered sell in the low to mid teens range.
 
I don't know much about anything, but I do know this, it isn't an Alaskan "thing". The C-Dory boats around Anchorage sell for much more than just about anywhere else. I've never seen an Alaskan C-Dory advertised for 5,000 ever. I have though, seen some real piles on sale for 3 times that amount. Honestly, it doesn't look that bad too me.
 
Mr. IslandArch:

What's your budget? How handy are you? Are you just looking for a no frills fishing boat or do you still wanna do some cruising?

If you're not looking to break the bank and just wanna fish then I'd say that Bob (Thataway) had a decent valuation. $7k for a solid 22 foot C Dory hull seems okay. Maybe even $5 or 6k if upon further inspection it needs SERIOUS hull or core work. I'm not even talking about the engine either; if it was me I'd already be looking for a used, low hour 4 stroke 90hp setup.

If you're looking to spend more and incorporate some cruising into your fishing then I'd suggest that you LOOK ELSEWHERE. That boat (from the 3 pictures) looks like it needs some serious TLC and probably some pricey modifications to get it up to snuff. There's tons of other 22's for sale in your area.

Good luck! Keep us informed. We need more info to help you!! You came to the right place. Lol
 
All good points. Thanks for your thoughts. I can do all those things. I have never personally owned a power boat. One came up I want to get it for a fair price and You have already told me several things I didn't know. You guys are helping me decide on this one since it is almost as old as I am. You know how sometimes you make decisions without thinking... I am trying not to do that.
 
Thanks every one. I have come to the conclusion as to what is a fair offer for the boat. If I get it I will let you know. If not thanks so much for I the input... I has been fun as I never post on any Forums..

Doug
 
I agree this boat likely needs a lot of help. I must mention however that whenever these posts about values come up, I am always left scratching my head. I see and hear of 6-10k estimated value 22 C-Dorys all the time, but I can count on three fingers the amount of C-Dorys I have seen sell for below 15k in ANY condition. (Since 2010)
 
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