why not to change things.

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starcrafttom

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I had the pleasure to take a up close look at Rogers 25 cruise ship c-dory. After looking at it and sitting in it and inspecting the whole boat I just don't know why they every changed it. Susan and I are always looking for the next boat and have decided that the current 25 c-dory will not be it. If they still made the 25 in the original lay out we would get one in a heart beat. The inside of the boat is the same volume, its how it was used that makes a hugh difference to us. The berth is the same size with no difference that I can see. The cabin is the big difference. The older boats have a door and walk way that is off center. This allows for a much larger table and storage under the tables and seats. It also allows the head to be bigger with more leg room. Across from the head is a large hanging locker with a water tank under it. This boat has so much more room to sit and visit that for us its hands down a winner for the next boat. I just don't know why c-dory changed such a great design. Yes it could be improved but not by anything they did. I would install three windows in the head for better visibility and I would install a sliding rear door. Other then that and a few bolt on add on's that are not part of the structure I would not have changed a thing. The only other C-dory I would want is the AVIQ in Alaska or Hailey comet. I know that many of you love your 25 and that it works for you but for us I would really like to have one of the older ones. There were only five or six made and three are know to this group. I would like to find the other two.
 
Ahhhh, the Aiviq.

Too bad they only built one. If that had been an option, I would have bought that instead of the TomCat.

I am pretty excited about the TomCat though. :)

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mike
 
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I almost bought that boat,but decided it was too much boat for an inland lake.

Would have been a skilled woodworker's dream to own and have to modify the spartan interior into a personal cabin of one's own design.

I would have would have replaced the I/O with Armstrong brackets and a couple of modern fuel injected four cycle outboards.

That center roof panel does solve the problem of where to store the dinghy with the addition of a lifting crane, unless your teenage daughters take it over as a sun deck. (Unlikely unless you live somewhere the sun shines more than twice year like the PNW.) One could also build in a rigid (hard) sliding rear deck cover into the roof structure, which could be slid backward and forward as needed for fishing, cruising, weather changes , etc.

Add a couple of big, long saddle tanks instead of rear tanks, and your resulting fuel volume might get you into a pretty comfortable cruising range between refueling stops.

Also, the resulting removing of the doghouse for the Volvo I/O would make for a much better fishing and crabbing workstation, although, as we all know, some crabbing can go on anywhere when the crew is unhappy, all of which reminds us that keeping the Admiral happy is always the first part of planning out the navigation and battle strategy.

Too bad they didn't update and bring back this design and tank the CD-29 project instead. There's probably of room in there for separate shower and head compartments, and a really nice galley and dinette. Add a built in generator, air conditioning, and a good stove and heater to avoid the uncertainties associated with the Wallas, and C-Dory might just have another real winner.

The biggest pitfall might well be the resulting price tag, a critical element in these economic times. (Just for informational purposes, this boat was advertised for $32,000, used, as I remember, about 5-7 years ago.)

MY 2¢ AT 2:40 A.M. (Don't ask!)

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
I would buy it just as it is. I don't need a generator. Air conditioning is for people who don't know how to move to a better part of the country. This boat needs a small modern diesel for that out drive or the out boards. the small v-8 gas that went in it was not the best choice but at the time the only choice.

I agree that this boat would have been a better seller then the c-29 beast.
 
Good points by Tom. I had been on Wefing's Cruise ship--and agreed that the head seemed more usable. I do find it strange (at least in the 2003) that they angled the table, and cut it down in size.

I am considering building a new cat--and will have somewhat a similar interior to the C Dory 25/Tom Cat--but it will be a bit more like the 25 cruiser.

My only objection to the 25 cruise ship, was that the specific one I was on seemed dark.
 
Seems Dark, Hey I can see that and thats one reason I would install three windows in the head. not only could you look thru while docking or fishing but it allows more light from the rear. I would also install sky lights like those on the ranger tug. I really like those sky lights. I did not teally get a good look at the new cat interior, is it more like the new 25 or the cruise ships or are you having a custom job done.
 
See the above picture and description. There were only a handful made and they are called "Cruise Ships" I don't know who started calling them that, but that is what they are referred to on the site.
 
C-Green":39vbod3k said:
New and original CD25 I understand but what is a 25 cruise ship?

Jay
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The 25' cruise ship IS the original 25 CD. Take a look in Tyboo Mike's album for an example of a "25' cruise ship".
 
Yeah, I looked for a pic but couldn't find one to illustrate...the 25s from 1996 are not just called "cruise ships" here - "Cruise Ship" is what C-Dory named the boat, and there is actually a decal that says "Cruise Ship" on them.
 
Yep. They called it a Cruise Ship. Somebody told me that Roger's is dubbed Super Cruiser.

I understand the initial thought that windows need to be cut through the head compartment. I thought that too. After a month or so, I decided it might not be needed, and soon after that I couldn't understand why I ever wanted to. I am certainly glad I didn't. It really isn't a problem not being able to see through there - not underway and not even backing out of the slip. The view through the door window is plenty once you get used to it. For seeing the fish poles, I have a video camera in back hooked into the Garmin display.

I also do not think the lack of windows in the back makes it much darker inside. I think it is more the dark wood used in the interior. My 1987 CD22 had the same woodgrained DecraGuard inside, and it always seemed darker than the newer white interiors.

There are four of the original six on here now. Serenity, Shearwater, C-Tide, and TyBoo.

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BTW - the four Cruise Ships listed above are hulls 002, 003, 004, and 006.

Tom, you need to find 001 or 005. If 006 ever goes up for sale, I'll let you know. Bring money though - Roger got a very sweet deal when he found his.
 
Aye, twas a sweet deal........I Hope......lol.....
not to be a spoil sport, but my 25 does not have the CRUISESHIP designation. it has a similar title like Tyboo's but it says SUPER CRUISER.
I will post a pic later.
 
Super Cruiser..that sound a step above a cruise ship. :wink: I know that hulls 1 and 5 are sitting in a barn some where going to hell or at a dock being slowly sucked under by the weight of the growth on the hull. I Don't know if their is a way to track these boats down thru registration. May haVe to go to every state to find them. Well they are great boats and if anyone want to sell I would like first right to refusal, as would many others here.
 
I thought that the boat pictured in Sea Wolf's post, above, was a 27' boat. At least that is what was described in the story of it's trip to Alaska, and its description: 1985 C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser. It's a great boat, but the 25's they built in the 90s did look like the present 25s.

Boris
 
journey on":1pq3yf04 said:
I thought that the boat pictured in Sea Wolf's post, above, was a 27' boat. At least that is what was described in the story of it's trip to Alaska, and its description: 1985 C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser. It's a great boat, but the 25's they built in the 90s did look like the present 25s.

Boris
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You are correct the boat picture in Joe's post is a 27' boat and is not the 25' cruise ship. The early cruise ships do look like the present 25's but as Tom has noted have a different (and in his opinion better), internal layout.
 
Pat and I rented Marc's (Wefings) Cruise Ship #4 (now C-Tide) a couple of years ago for five days. What a great experience. The configuration of the cabin spoiled us, albeit temporarily, for the newer style cruiser layout. The three most important advantages in our view were: (1) the larger head on the port side; (2) the hanging locker on the starboard side; and most importantly (3) the wider and more plush dinette with great seats and storage.

I agree that the boat interior was considerably darker than the newer models but believe as Dr. Bob observed that it is due to the dark wood trim more than the configuration. The setup probably wouldn't work on the 22's but was the best for the 25's in my opinion.

Harper
 
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