What would you like to see on the new C-Ranger R25 tug?

Say, Pat.... As the sole provider of Ranger 25 factory photos.... when do you foresee getting some more photos of their progress? I guess it would take a long time to finish that topside plug and then lay up the fiberglass, but I think a bunch of us are anxious to see the result.

Thanks so much for posting the photos so far! John
 
Not sure when I will next find an excuse to get down there, I am itching to go though...this silly job keeps getting in the way. First two factory trips were (1) a side trip from a work related seminar at the Museum of Flight and (B) after taking my mom to Valley Medical Center for some tests that led to major vascular surgery. I really don't want to do the deal with my mom again, that has been fairly stressful! Make me up a good excuse and I am there!

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Say, Pat.... As the sole provider of Ranger 25 factory photos.... when do you foresee getting some more photos of their progress? I guess it would take a long time to finish that topside plug and then lay up the fiberglass, but I think a bunch of us are anxious to see the result.

Thanks so much for posting the photos so far! John
 
OH, I am sorry... I did not know it was a long trip... I just assumed you were near the factory. Well, they prob don't have the topside fiberglass made yet, so prob no hurry.

those of us far away do really appreciate your photos so far, but I know with your own business and the cost of gas.... and maybe even some family duties here and there, you prob don't want to become the C-Ranger popperazzi...


thanks, John
 
Also, Sea3PO, they used to sell a collapsable radar reflector made of flat sheets with slits that fit together to make a 'ball', What reflects radar best is flat, upright panels of metal, not rounded. So, a hexagon or octogon would work well. However, the stack diameter and height appears so small that the radar image from that small of a reflected area would be tiny.

I am wondering if a person would need some kind of grounding strap to prevent lightning damage in our high lightning area to protect the boat from attracting lightning with that mast.

John
 
I could probably get to the factory on Friday to take some pictures if they wouldn't mind me there? I don't live too far away, Federal Way. Just let me know and I am there!

Julie
 
Thanks for the offer, Julie.... I personally don't know who would have to be contacted for permission to take photos.... Maybe Pat could find out for you.... I am just a flatlander, land-locked, dry-docked Kansan, myself.

John
 
In regard to the radar reflector mechanics, here's how the "Ball" reflector works:

It's actually composed of sheets of reflectivve metal, or metal coated paper or plastic.

If you look closely, you'll see that there are three flat surfaces or planes that make up the overall ball shape, arranged at 90 degrees to each other.

Now time out for a short lesson why not to shoot your bear, moose, or urban gang gun into a corner-

If you have two walls at right angles to each other, a bullet fired into that corner will bounce off first one wall and then the other, then come back on a parallel course to the direction fired! Draw it out on paper and see what you get! (Better off not to practice target shooting in a corner in the alley, but if you see a moose there, you're on your own.)


This is a principle that can be proven by a bunch of boring geometry, but one that is used a lot in the real world. (In practice, we have to add a third wall to get a three dimensional corner like up where two walls meet the ceiling to get this to work in our non-flat, three dimensional world.)

Now not too surprisingly, this principle works not only for bullets, but also for light and other electromagnetic waves, such as radar.

This refletive property is used in taillights, parking lights, and reflectors that reflect almost all of the light shown at them right back to the source, making the reflection much, much brighter than it would be if it were just a plain flat surface. Look closely at these tailight and reflector surfaces, and you'll see the little three dimensional corners, and for the reflectors, mirrored surfaces.

This same principle is also used on the reflective tape that was first used on firemen's jackets, and now appears on shoes, rain wear, truck bumpers, etc. The little cubical corners on the tape are just a lot smaller.

Now if we go back to the radar reflector for a minute, we'll see that the ball reflector is made up of many such corners that refelect the radar waves directly back to the source. Such a reflector is much brighter than a simple metal ball, which would only reflect radar waves back on the very small part of the surface perpendicular to the source, with most of the waves bouncing off sideways and to the rear.

Of course, almost anything will return some radar waves to the source, but only a specialized reflector will be virtually 100% reflective. It might not matter whether your boat is highly reflective or not on some inland lake, but with that tanker bearing down on you in the fog out in the Juan de Fuca Straight, you'd want the best reflector you can get on board.

While we're at it, at this point, it's also possible to see just why the stealth airplanes and ships have their angles arranged so that none of them are perpendicular to the source, let alone have any right angled corners in them.

Next time you are bored with the winter doldrums, go out and turn on the radar in your boat and play with some different "targets" to see just how easy or not so easy they are to see on the radar screen.

After that exercise, you can figure out just how demanding the guys are that want radar set ups sensitive enough to be able to see sea gulls flying over baitfish at 6 miles because they know there'll be big fish under the bait!

Joe.
 
I am not all that far away, it is maybe 35 miles or so? It is just that the City of Snoqualmie owns my time in the daytime! It is not difficult to take pictures, just show up at the Ranger factory, go in the office part first, tell them you want to go back and get some shots of the C-Ranger 25, and somebody will take you back. Chances are pretty good that Dave and John Livingston and most likely somebody else will be working on the C-Ranger cabin plug (or maybe the mold is done by now, it was really getting close when I was last there), or the rigging on the hull, or something. It does not seem to irritate them to have visitors!
 
Here's a previous thread on radar reflectors that some might find useful. Joe did a great job of explaining why the "ball" reflectors - work. There's a link in the other thread to tests of different types of reflectors and a link that shows the geometry of the reflection in 2-dimensions. The three dimensional reflector created on the inside of the 3 intersecting planes of the ball reflector is known as a "corner cube" reflector. Corner cubes are used in a lot of optical applications due to the nice property of reflecting light back in the direction from which it came. The apollo 11 astronauts left a panel of these on the moon that are used for laser range finding.
 
And I want a stable for my pony...

"If I had a boat
I'd go out on the ocean
And if I had a pony
I'd ride him on my boat
And we could all together
Go out on the ocean
Me upon my pony on my boat."
Lyle Lovett
 
I'd just like to say it has been a pleasure to cruise this well designed web site and really helpful to read everyone's ideas and responses to the C-Ranger R25 construction. My wife and I are eager to see how the sea trials turn out in April and, if all goes well, receive our Ranger 25 in June. Thankyou all for your contributions.
 
Maybe bottom line is: how can I put a radar detector on my22 cruiser without having that odd looking ball thing.... I have enough junk on the top of the boat to keep da birds off... maybe some metallic tape ?? on three sides just under the top ? maybe I could stuff some tin foil on the inside of my radar mount....
I just think that with the stack of the 25' it would be a great place to have a radar deflector.

Joel :bat
 
Joel, Having used the old, hoistable radar reflectors which were from 18-20 inches in diameter, I am thinking the stack might be too small. However, this topic would make a great C-Dory get together "contest", or "entertainment activity" in which a variety of oddball contraptions are tried by some ppl with radars just to get an idea of what the minimum set-up would be to assure a good radar blip.

John
 
a while back someone posted a web addy for a radar reflecting American flag. it seems like a really good Idea.
Maybe someone can find the thread about it and bring it back to life
 
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