What Options would you like on a New 22 cruiser

As a now ex CD22 owner, the feature I missed most was an outside steering station (with engine controls). Given that Honda / Yamaha / Suzuki all make excellent and comparable engines, I would give an advantage to any that supported dual controls (prohibitive with Honda, not sure about other makes).

Another thing I'd consider (likely a rigging option, not factory) are additional attachment points for fenders and holding docklines. Virtually every C-Dory I've seen has had a different scheme for handling these and while they are individual preference, I think the default options coule be improved.

From your location I'm guessing that your customers will be boating in Maine - so inside heating is critical, radar mandatory, and cockpit / boat covers of every kind would be appreciated.
 
Electric pump for galley water should be standard. Anchoring package WITH windlass should be standard. I agree on the fender hanging points. Some kind of radar, rocket launcher rack should come with each boat. I like the tall radar arch and would like it even without the radar for fishing, and it get my antennas up a bit more. I think battery management could be standardized in two forms-twin engine and house= 3 batteries with a three bank shore power charger. Single engine and house=2 batteries with two bank shore charger. I think the battery management and shore charger should be standard equipment.

I know that dealers like to advertise boats at the lowest price and lightest weight for competition purposes, but I think most boat buyers of boats in the CD class are going to be just as impressed with a more expensive and heavier boat right out of the gate that has the stuff that has to be bought anyway. Standard should be a cockpit cover for trailering and storage. I think it would be near criminal to sell a trailerable CD without the protective front window covers as standard with any boat. Finally, I'd like to see cables run for at least one Marine vhf, gps antenna during manufacture. Leave plenty of length on both ends so the new owner can position antenna's and electronics where they want to, but pre running the cables would be impress me as a boat buyer. You know the owner is going to put in gps and vhf as a minimum.
 
Here are a few things, that, as Mr. Wences would say, "for you easy for me difficult"--12 volt plug outlets on either side of dash, covered predrilled hole in dash for future gauge, hole in roof with clamshell cover, accessible dual battery switch, lazarette covers that extend over lip, movable cockpit ladder, molded cockpit seat with snap-on cushion.
 
For cabin heat you should skip the Wallas and go with an Espar or Webasto forced air furnace and a separate cooktop. Like many folks on here, I don't like my Wallas and think you'd do your buyers a service by selling them a boat with something else installed.
 
I think you will have two basic groups wanting 22's, fishermen who will want such things as an aft helm station, rocket launchers etc., and cruisers/casual fishermen such as my wife and I who could care less about rocket launchers, would find an outside helm station to cut down on cockpit space and an unnecessary complication/expense. As a Webasto user I heartily agree, go there or espar instead of Wallas. All lcd lighting, both interior/navigation. Battery management certainly and charging system if desired. I don't have a charger/monitor and it would be a big convenience. We have a transom bar going across the front of the transom and it is very handy. We have mounted padeyes for fenders under the sliding windows and just forward of where the house/cabin meets the cockpit gunwale. They are very handy but would be a very easy dealer ad-on. We had no windlass for two years and got along fine but now have a Lewmar V700 and are glad to have it. That should be a dealer option I think. I would definitely add two grab handles on the brow to port and starboard. Unless you have them there is a space that is hard to keep one hand holding on when going on the deck. Definitely have lazarette covers suitable for horizontal installation. If twin powered go with 50hp rather than 40hp. We have 40's and would repower with 50's. If twins consider going to motorcycle size AGM batteries as start batteries instead of group 24's. Two of those can fit in one group 27 tray. We switched a year ago at Les lampman's suggestion and have found them entirely adequate to start the little engines. Trim tabs are a great help. A third windshield wiper for the center opening window, even a manual one would be a great help.
 
Definitely include radar, depth finder and GPS for foggy mornings, especially on Lake Winni. After a few adjustments, our 2005 Raymarine C70 and radar have been quite adequate for our needs.

By the way, our Wallas stove/heater has never failed. It has come in very handy on cold mornings.

We also like our master switch to preserve battery life when boat is not in use for more than a day or so.

C-Dory is the only boat I recommend for the big lake. Fantastic!
 
First look to see what the factory offers as options. Many suggested items are not on that list.

What you see is individual "wants" and they are all different. If you go with one manufacture of electronics, you limit the choice. However some builders/dealers do this. Electronics can always be added at point of sale or by owner.

I have found that many local canvas companies do better work than the "factory canvas"

The radar arch--rod holders etc--are all choice items--and will increase cost--can be added later.

A battery charger and 110 V option are always good--and think should be standard.

Two batteries should be standard, with a combiner--one of the best ways is what Ferret30 has done, with a Blue Seas "Add a battery"--gives a very simple switch and VSR--no worry system. (the factory just has a 1/2/all/off switch)

I agree that some battery voltage monitor is nice--but again--can be an add on.

Do not put extra holes or cables on the boat. There are so many variations. Most GPS and antennas have the cable already in the base of the antennas.

Again with the stove option--it is expensive in either case--and may not be what the person wants.

Trim tabs should be standard on all boats.

The windlass is nice--but not all people want them--and people want to choose what anchor they want for their specific area.

Electric wind shield wipers area also very desirable.

Swim Step and ladder are also desirable

Things like fender points can be added after with minimal expense and are not on the factory option list.

I have found the "ice box" to be almost worthless--if you want to keep ice use an ice chest--option of the door and shelves is more desirable.

Many like the interior hand rails.

It is not hard to install a water pump--but many prefer the foot pump, since it will waste less water with a small tank.
 
My boat is on a small lake, sure don't need radar and all the other stuff mentioned as they would hike the price of the basic boat $20,000.
Never used the porti potty (removed it) nor the icebox. What the C-Dory 22 really needs is a better hand hold when going forward. As it is you must let go of the cabin top rail, lunge forward, and grab the bow rails.
The bow rails need to extend back another foot and the cabin top rails need to bend around (over the visor) a little bit. This would make it much much more comfortable and safer when going forward.
Would also like a hard hatch cover on the bow instead of the clear one, strong enough to sit or stand on. Currently there is there is no where to sit on the bow.
 
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The Y-Landing Marina is planning on ordering some new 22 Cruisers and would like to hear what options current or future C-Dory owners like.
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When we bought ours new - I didn't want any factory options. I wanted to outfit the boat exactly to my needs. I don't think the factory does as good as job as I can when outfitting my boat.

Only thing would be "tall" version with the raised roof.
 
Move those rear cleats forward about 2 feet, get rid of the ice box and do shelves or drawers. 12 volt outlet at the dash, higher bow rail, that extends further back, a higher step in the cockpit to step up on the gunwale. I think making the bow safer should be the first priority. The small start batteries work great as previously stated and save weight and probably some cost.
 
And this, ladies and gentleman of the jury, is why it is so hard for dealers to order boats for stock. Every owner has their idea of what the "perfect" C-Dory is. And none of them are wrong.

Don't get us started about single or twin- either outboards or trailer axles! :D
 
I would definitely go with trim tabs.
A refrigerator is nice.
Fresh water pump for the sink.
Canvas-Dri-Dek.

It is totally up to ones specific needs.

I will be at Lake Winn 7-27-12 staying at the NASWA
 
I think Y-Landing (Captain's Cat birth home) is talking about what to order from the Factory. Most of what is mentioned above is "rigging" by a local dealer or done by a local marine service provider once the boat gets off of the trailer from the Factory. Unless of course, the factory is now proposing to get into the rigging business which, as far as I know, they are not.

That having been said, some of the above pertain. The "Icebox" - Norcold Refrigerator ad Dr. Bob mentioned. Have had one - useless. If it doesn't come installed from the factory, it's easy to add on a 22. On a 22, someone should buy the boat without it and add it if they feel they need it.

As Matt said, every owner wants and has (or thinks they have) the requirements for different stuff. If they're new, they usually don't have a clue and will come back to your for after the sale rigging (if you treated them right during the initial sale)

Y-Landing, order a basic boat and make some more $$ either for yourselves (If you have the capability) or refer the new buyer to a local place that can rig it as the owner wants. Don't try to be a new car dealer that doesn't have the capability to do much or to find a car that has all the options that a new buyer wants. That's not where the business is today, at least for boats... Good luck.

On my TC255, you took a basic boat, added a bunch of stuff for the first owner (Brock Howe), took his old engines from a previous boat, Suzi 115's, and sold it to him and sold it to me. I think you added the anchor windlass and a few other things too (I'd have to look at the invoice to see). There is money in there for your additions and you won't have to sell a boat with something on it that someone doesn't want. Plus, the more times he comes back to see how his new purchase is coming along, the more stuff he buys from your store...

KISS, don't try to anticipate your customers wants/needs/desires and get some boats on the floor!! Good luck!!

Charlie
 
Adding two extra 18" hand rails into the eyebrow is very easy, and takes only a couple of minutes. I'll take some photos of the ones I put on Thisaway tomorrow. The better option would be to make a hand rail like is on the Tom Cat and goes all of the way around the front. You don't want to bring bow rails aft, because that makes the step more dangerous from the side to the foreword deck.

But putting an all around hand rail will add considerable cost to the basic boat--so this can be a dealer option. The rails can be purchased for $25 each and add on another $25 each for installation--you have made a profit
 
What about getting the factory to add that roll (or was it spray?) on insulating paint? That's one job that is a major PITA to do later that could be a huge win for your boats.

And while I'm at it, how about eliminating the foam under the berth and installing hatches?
 
My 2011 came with some unexpected items as standard different from the factory list. I ordered a pretty basic boat, it still came with interior grab rails , very useful , and a really nice sensor electric galley pump. Pump a little or a lot. A really rugged post on the table for hi low action, no clips to the hull. And three hatches under the berth with no foam. The options I got were tilt hydraulic helm and tabs, and both window electric wiper everything else I installed. I added 2 handles at the aft end of the house outboard to help getting around the Bimini and they were an easy install. I have not installed handles on the brow as I find the lip on the brow makes a very solid grab point all along. I am a fan of keeping the stock boat pretty simple with a short list of factory options as others have suggested. I for sure would not have any electronics on a stock boat. Perhaps a few electronics packages as options would be nice if the factory had the techs for it. 8)
 
Order the Venture 23 without all the extra's make it like Wefings .what you get with the Venture 23 is bigger cockpit with a big step going into cockpit better bow pulpit so easier to go up front without falling into water . 6ft 4in headroom ,also bigger windows and bigger v-berth,water spiget in cockpit and can be powered with a f115 hp eng with 4-5 mpg statute and similar trailers so the real cost is whatever the cc-23 costs over cd22

Also the ride is hands down the best of all the c-dory's except the tomcat 240-255
 
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