vaccination

[B~C]

my son and his wife are on the front line so he got the vaccination the other day. Daughter in law didn't get it because she's cooking up another grandchild. the kid said he had no ill affects, no third nipple growing or microwave transmissions in brain.

I hear that after the health care workers get vaccinated the next round goes to bar tenders, what the hell is the deal with that?

 

[ssobol]

... I hear that after the health care workers get vaccinated the next round goes to bar tenders, what the hell is the deal with that?

So they can open the bars. Lots of liquor tax revenue there. Too bad they won't be able to let the customers in until they get vaccinated too.

 

[B~C]

i don't know about opening bars, I think i just heard on the news that thirst responders were up next

 

[thataway]

Each state or even region seems to be different. In Pensacola, the US Navy hospital got vaccine the first week, as did the hospitals on the East Coast of FL. This week Moderna Vaccine has come to our 3 major hospitals, and across the bay in Gulf Breeze. the residents of an assisted living and rehab hospital, have gotten Pfizer Vaccine on Monday...No telling when us old codgers with co-morbidities will get the vaccine. Figure on wearing your masks for a while longer--like a year.

Filti is now making masks with their filter material. (Alone that seems to be N 85, and with the rest of the filter, should be close to an I have ordered 50 for about $100 including shipping. We will see how they fit. I may need to add a little foam around the edges to get a tight facial seal. The bandana type of mask or even the surgical mask is not as effective as one of the N 95 or similar fitting masks.

 

[westward]

I'm in Pt. care at UW hospital, get mine Saturday. I had to pick the 10PM slot as they were filling up very fast. (No safety concerns or conspiracy theories amongst the staff at UWMC). They hold us in clinic for 15 min. after administration to monitor for adverse vaccine reaction.

I'm really looking forward to this vaccine's widespread rollout and hopefully a late-Spring return to normalcy. Many things I've taken for granted I now am grateful for.

Of note: receiving the vaccine doesn't change a person's obligation to practice strict infection control, as the personal immunity imparted apparently does not prevent one form being an asymptomatic carrier. We still have a few "miles to go before we sleep".

Wishing all C-Brats a happy, healthy holiday season!!

 

[robhwa]

i don't know about opening bars, I think i just heard on the news that thirst responders were up next

Neat one, kind of like the guy that was arrested at the airport. In his carryon, he had a protractor, a compass, and a slide rule. They charged him with carrying weapons of math instruction.

 

[Foggy]

The State of Michigan plans to follow the CDC and ACIP (Advisory Committee on
Immunization Practices) recommendations for COVID-19 vaccination according
to the below schedule posted 23 Dec 2020.

CDC and ACIP have defined populations for different vaccination phases.

Phase 1A includes paid and unpaid persons serving in health care settings
who have direct or indirect exposure to patients or infectious materials and
are unable to work from home, as well as residents of long-term care facilities.

Phase 1B includes frontline essential workers and individuals 75 years of
age and older.

Phase 1C includes other essential workers, persons 65 to 74 years of age,
and individuals 16 to 64 years of age with underlying medical conditions.

Phase 2 is a mass vaccination campaign for all persons age 16 years or
older.

It will be very interesting to see how many and how big the "bumps in the road"
will be to accomplish herd immunity for our citizenry who seem so divided on
so many important issues.

Roll up your sleeves America.
Continue mitigation practices before and after vaccination.

Aye.

 

[Foggy]

From the above, it looks like we old fogies are getting preferential treatment and
put toward the front of the line for COVID-19 vaccination. Yea!

Here's why, from the CDC:

Compared to younger adults, older adults are more likely
to require hospitalization if they get COVID-19

18 - 29 years is the Comparison Group

• AGE GROUP, HOSPITALIZATION, DEATH
  
  
  30 - 39 years, 2x higher, 4x higher
  
  40 - 49 years, 3x higher, 10x higher
  
  50 -64 years, 4x higher, 30x higher
  
  65 -74 years, 5x higher, 90x higher
  
  75 - 84 years, 8x higher, 220x higher
  
  85+ years, 13x higher, 630x higher

The way I read it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Aye.

 

[smckean (Tosca)]

Many things I've taken for granted I now am grateful for.

Ain't it the truth! I guess there is always a silver lining.

 

[Scuppers]

The research seems to show that one dose provides the primary response with very high efficacy at 4 weeks, and that the second dose only improves the overall immune response by a few percent. I agree that we should go one dose till everyone who wants it gets one dose, then we go to dose two.

Incidentally, the overall response seems to improve if the time between the doses increases. Historically, the interval of 5-6 months is ideal.

Finally, if you don't want the vaccine, it is fine with me. That simply means that more people who want it, get it. I am losing no sleep over their decision. I certainly object to this movement of suggesting that they have to take it to make this vaccine work. The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined, and that will be far fewer people than are going in today.

I got all this info on a BBC broadcast, and it sounds like England is going to adopt this policy.

 

[Foggy]

SNIP

Finally, if you don't want the vaccine, it is fine with me. That simply means that more people who want it, get it. I am losing no sleep over their decision. I certainly object to this movement of suggesting that they have to take it to make this vaccine work. The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined, and that will be far fewer people than are going in today.

SNIP

Grandpa used to say, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make'em drink."

Aye.

 

[robhwa]

SNIP

Finally, if you don't want the vaccine, it is fine with me. That simply means that more people who want it, get it. I am losing no sleep over their decision. I certainly object to this movement of suggesting that they have to take it to make this vaccine work. The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined, and that will be far fewer people than are going in today.

SNIP

Grandpa used to say, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make'em drink."

Aye.

Or, as my grad advisor joked, "You can lead someone to knowledge, but you can't make them think"!

 

[hardee]

"....The research seems to show that one dose provides the primary response with very high efficacy at 4 weeks, and that the second dose only improves the overall immune response by a few percent. I agree that we should go one dose till everyone who wants it gets one dose, then we go to dose two.

Incidentally, the overall response seems to improve if the time between the doses increases. Historically, the interval of 5-6 months is ideal...."

That does not correlate with the recommendations of the manufactures of either approved vaccine at this time. First dose, then 28 days to second dose. Delaying the second dose decreases the efficacy. That is what I am hearing from mfg and Fouci.

Also, the "herd immunity" will take affect when we get to about 80% of the population vaccinated. Less than that level of the population decreases the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Line up America, and roll up your sleeves. Do what is right for all.

Harvey
SleepyC

 

[smckean (Tosca)]

The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined.....

Ah, if only that were the case; but unfortunately it is not.

The reality is that there are some folks who can't take the vaccine for various reasons (allergies, medical conditions, etc). So those who refuse to be vaccinated put those who can't be vaccinated at risk.

 

[NORO LIM]

"....

Also, the "herd immunity" will take affect when we get to about 80% of the population vaccinated. Less than that level of the population decreases the effectiveness of the vaccine. . . .

Harvey
SleepyC

Here's an interesting article on the herd immunity goal: Fauci on Herd Immunity
No one knows, of course, but some estimates are that as high as a 90% vaccination rate (or otherwise acquired immunity) may be necessary before herd immunity will cause the virus to dwindle on its own. That's a rate close to what's required for measles herd immunity.

As to the question of compliance: It's disheartening when a significant percentage of the population shows reluctance to get vaccinated. Disheartening, but not surprising, given what might charitably be called the mixed messages disseminated on the subject of the virus and the vaccine. I am generally opposed to having the government coerce people's behavior, having had some experience with an extreme form of that via the military draft in 1968. (Aside: In less than a year this virus has killed six times as many Americans as the Vietnam War did. It's just bad luck I guess, that quite a few of us here have been in the high risk group for both events. Open question: which event actually justifies which level of government coercion?) It's all well and good to say people ought to be free to make bad decisions about their own health, but that freedom carries a cost that all of us will pay.

 

[westward]

Re: one vs two doses: At our hospital we are required to schedule and commit to both doses before taking either. This is per the vaccine manufacturer's recommendations and CDC guidelines. I am all for as widespread distribution as rapidly as possible but...these vaccines are developed and studied under very specific control conditions: you sure as hell don't want to go playing infectious disease scientist on your own, based on something you read on the internet, or saw on TV. (It helps to remember that most "news" content these days falls under the broad category of opinion, and is not scientifically vetted prior to publication).

My hope is that people choose to listen to the advice of the researchers and public health physicians who develop and administer these vaccines, and follow their directions. Talk to your trusted PCP if you're unsure. I really believe they know what they're talking about.

Happiness, health, and prosperity to you all!

 

[hardee]

The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined.....

Ah, if only that were the case; but unfortunately it is not.

The reality is that there are some folks who can't take the vaccine for various reasons (allergies, medical conditions, etc). So those who refuse to be vaccinated put those who can't be vaccinated at risk.

:thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

 

[westward]

I believe the vaccine refusal movement will rapidly dissipate in the face of rising immunity. I suspect vaccine compliance will quickly rise to levels similar to polio and other such vaccines. Many earlier skeptics are already lining up to "get theirs".

In the early days I look at refusers as doing compliers a favor: more for us, sooner!

 

[Anonymous]

Health care workers and bar keepers are both here to make us feel better - so I get it...

 

[Scuppers]

Scuppers wrote:
The reality is that if it works, the only ones going into the hospital will be those who declined.....

Ah, if only that were the case; but unfortunately it is not.

The reality is that there are some folks who can't take the vaccine for various reasons (allergies, medical conditions, etc). So those who refuse to be vaccinated put those who can't be vaccinated at risk.

That logic seems sound, but does not recognize where we are today, versus where want to be.

I agree that some people cannot be vaccinated. I am saying that the greatest benefit occurs when the most people are vaccinated. Your risk of infection does not change if you are a member of that group other than that it goes down if there are fewer carriers. More vaccinated people should equate to fewer carriers, and create fewer exposures. Anyone who is vaccinated reduces risk to that unprotectable group, and all groups. Herd immunity is a pipe dream at present.

So mask, distance and don't allow people who are not vaccinated to be in your orbit, as soon as that is possible.

My company is going to impose a requirement to be vaccinated. We will probably lose a few people.