Twin Honda 50 feedback needed

[DayBreak]

markm,
You may also want to get a quote from Sportcraft Marina in Portland, Or. on a honda or suzuki. https://www.sportcraftmarina.com/ They sell both and seem to always have the lowest prices. They will do a great job with the installs and you will not have to pay sales tax.
Not sure if the prop walk on 60 hp motors is that much of a concern to warrant the use of counter rotation on the port side.

 

[Hunkydory]

When I compare outboards, I don't pay as much attention to the HP as I do the displacement. Weight is also important and for our little boats the alternator output is also important. (capacity to charge house batteries/ the amount used by the engine.)

Comparing 3 models that your are considering:

The Honda 40 and 50 hp: 808 cc/49.5 cu in; 214#

The Honda 60 larger block: 998 cc/61 cu in 239#

The Suzuki which is 40, 50 & 60 on the same block: 941 cc/57.4 cu in. 229#

They are all fuel injected and have about the same charging capacity. All will give better results than the older 40 hp Honda you have, just fuel injection and older engine being "worn" will make significant difference.

I believe your best choice is between any Suzuki 40/50/60 and Honda 60. There is one other factor and that is the Honda 60 can be counter rotation. For me that is a significant advantage.

I have owned equal number of Suzuki and Honda in the last 20 years. Both have been trouble free and in the 90 hp to 150 hp range. The Suzukis have been faster because of the prop size and gearing.

So it boils down to availability, cost, and service nearby.

Twin counter rotating 60s sounds the way to go to me. I didn't know they were a thing in that size. I suspect in a light boat like the 22, they would make a big difference in overall handling and performance. I suspect they would counter many of the stresses on the transom as well, but I can't site any engineering publications to support that because I'm too lazy to look. Jay seems to love them....he's a lot of experience with the 22.

From research prior to repowering with the Honda 60’s, counter rotating props for twin applications was not available in 2019 & now just got off the phone with Sportscraft Marine & it’s the same. As Mark has found out, the Honda’s do cost more than the Suzuki’s. Also as T.R. Said, “I am very pleased with the Honda 60’s” with lots of proven data now to back that pleased feeling. It will be interesting to see how other 60 hp choices, like available with the Suzuki & Tohatsu work out for others, as they repower.

Jay

 

[markm]

It’s reality not dreaming with the twin Honda 60’s. With a 15 pitch prop running at 4000 rpm, just 66% of WOT, speed with mine is just over 20mph. 80% of WOT will be about 4800 rpm & 28 mph. This is with a medium load in good conditions at sea level & fuel milage if boat well trimmed will be above 5 mpg. I have both trim tabs & Permitrims.



Jay

I have ordered the Honda 60s. Ended up same price as the suzukis in white. Jay, do you have model number of the 15pitch prop that you used to get these results? Much appreciated.

Mark

 

[-Waypoint-]

Wanted to put my 2 cents in. DON'T waste your money on the BF50's. I just repowered my boat with BF40's EFI 2022 engines. I looked into the BF50's just because thought it might be worth the extra $2000 more for top end push "IF" needed".

After putting 28 hours on the 2022 BF40 EFI engines I am so glad that I did not buy the BF50's. Went on a 4 day camping trip last week. My boat was loaded with 50 gallons of fuel, 40 gallons of water, 300 lbs. of ice coolers, clothing, Honda 2200 generator, grill, clothing, pots pans, extra anchors, food, dive gear, and a rooftop a/c., and 350 lbs. of people.

I did not run at WOT with the BF40's. I ran at 90% throttle and still cruised at 15kts! My boat was fully loaded. I operate the boat at sea level in tropical salt water. Not in a freshwater cold lake in the mountains. If I did, I would go for the BF60's. Don't buy the BF50's.

Go with the BF40's if you run in salt water.

 

[Hunkydory]

It’s reality not dreaming with the twin Honda 60’s. With a 15 pitch prop running at 4000 rpm, just 66% of WOT, speed with mine is just over 20mph. 80% of WOT will be about 4800 rpm & 28 mph. This is with a medium load in good conditions at sea level & fuel milage if boat well trimmed will be above 5 mpg. I have both trim tabs & Permitrims.



Jay

I have ordered the Honda 60s. Ended up same price as the suzukis in white. Jay, do you have model number of the 15pitch prop that you used to get these results? Much appreciated.

Mark

I’ll be back home in about 10 days & get the prop info for you.

 

[Hunkydory]

It’s reality not dreaming with the twin Honda 60’s. With a 15 pitch prop running at 4000 rpm, just 66% of WOT, speed with mine is just over 20mph. 80% of WOT will be about 4800 rpm & 28 mph. This is with a medium load in good conditions at sea level & fuel milage if boat well trimmed will be above 5 mpg. I have both trim tabs & Permitrims.



Jay

I have ordered the Honda 60s. Ended up same price as the suzukis in white. Jay, do you have model number of the 15pitch prop that you used to get these results? Much appreciated.

Mark

I’ll be back home in about 10 days & get the prop info for you.

It took longer than 10 days to get back home. Like many places in the west a rough winter here in Wyoming.

My props are the stainless New Solas 15 pitch x 11 inch. Model 3331-110-15

This is where I purchased. https://boatpropellers.iboats.com/Honda ... (2010Newer)_15.00-Pitch_New_Saturn_3331-110-15_Propeller/841/7804/?cart_id=437882764

You could request from where you are buying the motors, that they put on the standard 3 blade Honda 15 pitch aluminum props as they might work close to the stainless, I have. If not you could buy the stainless & use the aluminum as spares. Also all my old props for the Honda 40’s fit the Honda 60’s. I carry my old 10 pitch stainless in case I need to run on plane with a single 60, when running very heavy at sea level & have 3 blade, 13 pitch stainless for running both motors on near 8000 foot Yellowstone Lake, when we are very heavily loaded with company camping out on the lake. My normal spares are aluminum solas 14 pitch 3 blade.

Jay

 

[markm]

Jay, Thank you! I truly appreciate the shared information and welcome back to WY.
The boat is in the shop, and I already have one of the 40s sold. One to go. 60s are sitting there in crates waiting to be installed. I will share your discoveries with the guys there. It should definitely save some time getting it dialed in.

Cheers

 

[real550A]

Have read this thread with great interest, as I have purchased a C22 Cruiser with twin Honda 40's (2004 boat & motors). Although, they have 600/1200 hours, and should be good for a while, I need to be educated on repower options for the future.
Curiously, the thread discusses Honda, Suzuki, Tohatsu, but doesn't mention Yamaha. Am I missing something?
If I repower, I would be thinking a single 90 for intercoastal & Florida waters, primarily. A single would lighten me up by 150 lbs, simplify my boat systems, and probably extend my range.
Interested in your thoughts, and appreciate all input.
Mike

 

[T.R. Bauer]

Have read this thread with great interest, as I have purchased a C22 Cruiser with twin Honda 40's (2004 boat & motors). Although, they have 600/1200 hours, and should be good for a while, I need to be educated on repower options for the future.
Curiously, the thread discusses Honda, Suzuki, Tohatsu, but doesn't mention Yamaha. Am I missing something?
If I repower, I would be thinking a single 90 for intercoastal & Florida waters, primarily. A single would lighten me up by 150 lbs, simplify my boat systems, and probably extend my range.
Interested in your thoughts, and appreciate all input.
Mike

Yamaha makes a great outboard. But from what I have seen, they are not very competitive with pricing.

 

[thataway]

You might consider a 115. I have had several 115 Yamahas, which were good engines. Both of the 22’s I owned had 90’s on an Evinrude, and the other had a 90 Honda, carbureted—for for the fuel injections.