Table on restored 22' Classic

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centerisland

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Restored 1984 22' for $26K:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1984-C-DORY-C-Dory-22-Classic-97893617

Interesting thing to me was the RAM table on the portside:
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Very nice idea!

I would radius (round off) the corners of the table and the shelf underneath for looks and safety reasons.

The table might also benefit from a raised edge to keep things from rolling off.

Could the table and the seat be worked into a reversible front seat in applications where there were enough room for two seats and a table to make up a dinette arrangement?

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
My gut feel is that it's possible to do a pair of facing seats on a 22 Classic, but then the table would have to relocate.

Also, now that I look at it, I think the swing arms aren't the best mount. There's no ball, so all you can do is swing it in an arc - it's already extended, so...honestly, it's got nowhere to move. A ball under the table would allow it to fold against the side of the house outboard of the seat.

Anway, I just don't recall seeing a table on a RAM mount before, and I thought it was kinda neat. Could put one in the cockpit for instance. Or it might work for newer 22s that have had the dinette converted into a settee.
 
It does not look as if the table could even swing, since the edge is hard against the side of the cabin. I doubt that there is enough room in this size cabin to allow fore and aft facing seats, with any leg room. You might do it with one seat on the bunk, and the other at the very back of the cabin.

I used a very similar mount--if not the same for a CRT radar on a sailboat--on one swing, the radar recessed into bulkhead, and the other extent of the swing, it was in the companionway so that the radar could be seen from the cockpit or the pilot house, when navigating from below. These are sturdy mounts.
 
This is the boat that Penny and I bought from Les at EQ before we shipped it to FL for Marc to sell -- we bought a TC24 from him. When we bought the boat Les had redone the cockpit and the cabin. It is very functional with lots of storage space. In addition to adding electronics and anchor/windlass/rode, we asked Les to add boxes/seats over the dual gas tanks and the table in the cabin. Penny wanted a table in the cabin but also wanted something that would rotate out of the way when accessing the v-berth. It is a very nice design and works very well.
 
centerisland":1amna3pr said:
Also, now that I look at it, I think the swing arms aren't the best mount. There's no ball, so all you can do is swing it in an arc - it's already extended, so...honestly, it's got nowhere to move. A ball under the table would allow it to fold against the side of the house outboard of the seat.
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My feelings, too.
There needs to be a ball or hinge joint in the mix to make it stowable, I would think.

Looks like tits on a log...or whatever that expression is/was...
 
Well, I'm not getting the table hardware either. C-ness says it rotates out of the way, so I'm sure it does, but I don't see how. Anybody know more about this mount?
 
Hey, Brent. Funny, not five minutes ago I was thinking I needed to post an updated pic of the project on smallboattalk. The project has migrated to a back burner this winter as house sale projects have taken precedence as well as some recent health issues. The forms are done, C-flex is here, wheels for turning the boat are made; it's all just waiting on me.

Current status:

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Sketch of plan:

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So we don't corrupt this thread further, for more discussion of that project, let's take it here: http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=11925&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Oh, I really like the idea of the table that is the crux of this thread. Particularly if I can figure out how it rotates out of the way into a stored posture. Also, what's a "RAM" table. I'm acronymically challenged.
 
I should note that the table does not rotate from the horizontal to the vertical. Rather, in my usually clumsy way, I was referring to fore and aft movement of the table.
 
Thanks, C-ness. Forward and backward are the motions apparent in the mechanism. If there was a locking ball joint under the table that would allow a 90-degree pivot from vertical, that might make it stowable in a minimumally invasive way. Nice table arrangement.

T
 
Hi All,

There are almost and infinite number of ways we could have done the table that Jay and Penny requested. As usual we were working to the request of the owners and the table you see was the result of the requirements.

The corners are rounded slightly and they could have been rounded more but the table is small and more rounding would have meant a smaller table.

When pushed all the way forward the table is over the aft end of the berth so it would be very difficult to hit a corner in a seaway.

We talked about fiddles on the edges but it was decided to leave them off so it was more comfortable to rest one's arms on the edge and they could be added later without much trouble.

The cabin on the Angler is pretty small, we were trying to get a lager enough table in there to be useful but small enough that it didn't interfere with the small space.

The Anglers after 1987 did have a small dinette on the port side available; worked as long as the occupants were slender.

Les

Sea Wolf":2myw4afk said:
Very nice idea!

I would radius (round off) the corners of the table and the shelf underneath for looks and safety reasons.

The table might also benefit from a raised edge to keep things from rolling off.

Could the table and the seat be worked into a reversible front seat in applications where there were enough room for two seats and a table to make up a dinette arrangement?

Joe. :teeth :thup
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'Tis true, the table only swings in an arc, the design requirements didn't ask for more. Still, it's surprisingly useful. The table pushes far enough forward to be almost under the foredeck and completely out of the way of the occupant in the passenger seat, and it swings back far enough that it's plenty close to be a comfortable dining table. In between is great for having snacks, beverage, book, sunglasses, binoculars, etc, at hand.

The table is easy to remove from the mount so being able to rotate to a vertical orientation wasn't deemed necessary. Also, the table is high enough when pushed all the way forward over the bunk it doesn't intrude on sleeping space. A removed table still takes up considerably less room than a rotated (vertically) table would have when stowed.

Les

centerisland":y2cn5q8u said:
My gut feel is that it's possible to do a pair of facing seats on a 22 Classic, but then the table would have to relocate.

Also, now that I look at it, I think the swing arms aren't the best mount. There's no ball, so all you can do is swing it in an arc - it's already extended, so...honestly, it's got nowhere to move. A ball under the table would allow it to fold against the side of the house outboard of the seat.

Anway, I just don't recall seeing a table on a RAM mount before, and I thought it was kinda neat. Could put one in the cockpit for instance. Or it might work for newer 22s that have had the dinette converted into a settee.
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Les designed the table just as Penny and I requested. When we first looked at the boat, it did not have a table. Penny wanted one so that she could use it for our meals and serve as a place for books, charts, etc. Les gave us exactly what we wanted. Moving the table fore and aft creates several different configurations. As Les notes, the table is fully out of the way when placed fully foreward and can be adjusted as close to the port seat as desired.

Not noted here is the fact that Les also redid the rest of the interior before we bought the boat. It has lots of useable storage space. We would have kept the boat except that we made a somewhat sudden decision to semi-retire, which led to us to downsize our house and upsize our boat.
 
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