Some Suggested Guidelines for Posting

Sea Wolf

New member
I'd like to open a topic for all C-Brats to consider and offer suggestions about.

I've had a number of thoughts about how to make posts clearer, easier to read and understand, and how to make the information within them easier to find with the search engine.

Please feel free to add to this discussion as you feel fit.

Here are some thoughts to begin with:

1. When choosing a title for a thread, try to make it exactly reflect the content intended, so it can be selected out of a list in the Forums. A thread title like "Sturgeon Fishing Gear and Methods for the Columbia River" is a lot more definitive and easier to figure out what's inside than one entitled "Skunked Again on the Big C!", although we do get a good idea of your frustration and need for some help with the later!

2. Write for clarity and to avoid misunderstanding. While the person you're writing back to may not require a very specific carefully worded response, many others will also be reading your post, many of them without the same background as yourself and your corresponding partner, and they may well not be able to visualize what you're talking about. Try to thoroughly explain and illustrate what you're saying so that anyone can understand it, even the newest C-Brat members. Remember we're not only individually responding to each other here, but also involved in generally educating all the members of the C-Brat family. These posts are not just read today, but for months and years in the future when they're well done.

3. When using terms like SOG (Speed Over Ground, discounting for current losses and gains), define the acronym, abbreviation, or term. When mentioning the anti-ventilation (not anti-cavitation) plate, you might explain the difference so that others may learn the difference too! Computer/email acronyms like RITFLMAO (Rolling in the Floor, Laughing My A-- Off) and ASFAICT (As Far As I Can Tell) can also be baffling to a newcomer. Use a * when you use the term and another * down below the paragraph to explain the term if more convenient than parentheses.

4. When referring to a product, boat, or whatever, a photo and/or a link to a website will greatly facilitate other's visualize what you're talking about. If you're going to ask what other C-Brat's think of the Anchor Buddy system, it would be very useful to put in a link to the Anchor Buddy website, and a photo or diagram would be nice, too!
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5. When you're done with your first drafting of your post, go over it to check for spelling, correct English, and to see if anything is unclear or will lead to misunderstandings. Clean it up a bit, if possible. Write it in a word processing program if you need to, then import it on your clipboard and post it.

6. Use humor whenever it's appropriate and you can do so, making your posts easier and more entertaining to read.

7. Try to stay away from too colorful use of four-letter words, as they do offend some and detract from what you're saying, generally.

8. Be careful when hedging into controversial topics to not ignite a passionate discussion that precludes rational discussion of a topic. Once it gets out of control, the discussion is really over, and all we have left is name calling and fault finding, etc.

9. Be as personable and friendly as possible. The one thing that sets this site apart from many others is the degree of friendliness and helpfulness we share with each other.

10. Just remember, if all else gets too complicated, "Just Be Nice" still rules.


Other thoughts?

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Joe, Well put, my friend! I especially endorse the advice to Preview and Spell Check each post. Enough said about that. Thanks again.
 
What a coincidence. I came to this post immediately following one called "Anchor Rode Jumps off Gypsy" where I confess I was totally dumbfounded likely owing to my unfamiliarity with the bulk of the terminology.
Which brings me to the point of this reply - what's the quickest route to a glossary of appropriate "boat-talk"?

Paul Priest
Sequim
 
ppriest":2r0pdzkw said:
What a coincidence. I came to this post immediately following one called "Anchor Rode Jumps off Gypsy" where I confess I was totally dumbfounded likely owing to my unfamiliarity with the bulk of the terminology.
Which brings me to the point of this reply - what's the quickest route to a glossary of appropriate "boat-talk"?

Paul Priest
Sequim

Paul-

There are scores of nautical term dictionaries and glossaries, but a lot of them are largely concerned with historical terms much more than present usage.

One that's not too traditionally oriented is the Wickipedia Glossary of Nautical Terms. (Does anybody offhand know the meaning of "Kissing the Gunner's Daughter"?)

Another way to shortcut the definition process is to simply put the term in Google's search engine and scan the results.

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Bravo, Sir! Well said.

You point out that this site is filled with friendly people and I have to admit it's true! Every day I learn something new here, and every question I've asked has been followed by a thorough response, if not several of them!

Thank you one and all!

A quick question IRT (in regards to) photos: this is probably an admin issue, but is there a way to "index" or "search" the photos based on type of boat? I was recently flipping through trying to find a photo of a swim step installed on a twin-engine CD25 and it was a VERY long and involved process as many of the cover photos do not distinguish. Perhaps they type of boat could be added just below the boat or album name?

Oh, and by the way, in typical C-Brat fashion I received a link in a PM to one specific album and pictures of said swim-step that they'd taken just for me ;-) . Like I said, Great People!
 
oh man, I joined the Pub for friendly banter among folks with a fellow love for C-Dorys & now we want to convert this place into a library
 
Ken- (I know you're at least half or more fully joking about this, but......)

B~C":2leva7vf said:
oh man, I joined the Pub for friendly banter among folks with a fellow love for C-Dorys & now we want to convert this place into a library

Ha! Not quite my friend!

And, No, I won't be giving myself the title Librarian and wearing any half-height bifocal glasses with a beaded retainer chain on my bundled grey hair with double chop-stick pins either!

And, No, who wants you or anyone else to quit the funny business and banter that livens this place up and attests to the friendliness of our virtual community. Everyone keep your humor about yourself, please! Clown suits welcome as always!

But, Darn, it sure would be nice to be able to find the information content of all these writings without looking through 382 threads and/or 5,722 posts, knowing I've seen it discussed before and wanting to access it for someone new who's asking the same question again, probably for the umpteenth time.

We all know that one of the primary functions of this site besides the social banter and fun humorous exchanges is, of course, to offer information on how to solve boat problems and enjoy one's C-Dory more, and reviewing and re-accessing that information should be made as easy as possible for all members, old and new. Warren's recent comments about the need to improve the mechanics of the Search engine are very valid, IMHO. (In My Humble Opinion)

And it wouldn't hurt to remove some of the ambiguity from some of of the posts or illustrate them fully, either.

Nobody has to follow any set of guidelines around here except the "Just Be Nice" rule and it's logical derivations, but why not be clear about what we mean with the technical information?

Maybe it's just my science background and personality type that's driving this, but we can both do our part: I'll try to help with the drive toward clarity and organization, and you can keep humoring the troops!

Your Bud! Joe. :teeth :thup
 
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oh man, I joined the Pub for friendly banter among folks with a fellow love for C-Dorys & now we want to convert this place into a library

If we offer a selection of fine :beer , and also have a few books around are we not still able to enjoy the :beer ?
 
My beautiful daughter is a librarian. On behalf of her, and librarians everywhere, I challenge any and all former science teachers to a test of Strunk's "Elements of Style" and eyewear comparison. :smiled
 
Sea Wolf":31gtz1ic said:
Warren's recent comments about the need to improve the mechanics of the Search engine are very valid, IMHO.

Resurecting a thread from the dead, it doesn't appear that the Search engine has been improved in the last 3 years. In particular, I notice that it's still not possible to search only Titles. Now that my wife has said she'd be up for a Lake Powell trip, I'd like to search for threads on...Lake Powell. And not get every message that has just mentions the lake.

How much money would have to get into the tip jar to make something like this happen? Or is the idea of wanting something too anti-karma for the tip jar?

OK, this is a bleg posting, but I have to think that others might find some value here as well.
 
centerisland":1it945mo said:
How much money would have to get into the tip jar to make something like this happen?

Enough for me to quit my day job...

While that's an admittedly smart-a$$ answer, it crudely illustrates what is needed to facilitate the many changes needed around here. Time - not money.

Have you tried the Google Custom Search (top left, with "Search the C-Brats" button), as well as the board's built in search? It's quite a bit more intelligent...you should get better results from it.
 
Well, that is a good list and a good idea. To add to it, I think we should also site all sources so others can readily look them up. Let's use APA format so we are all on the same page :) Ok....so I am kidding about that last one...... Have a good one guys!
 
Da Nag":20kd19i9 said:
Have you tried the Google Custom Search (top left, with "Search the C-Brats" button), as well as the board's built in search? It's quite a bit more intelligent...you should get better results from it.

Indeed I have been using the Google Search. So I just tracked down the XML protocol reference document here:
http://www.google.com/cse/docs/resultsxml.html

The "intitle" parameter does what I'm looking for: "intitle:Powell" returns 1 result with similar entries omitted, clicking the "Repeat the search with the omitted results included" gives me three pages. So, for "Lake Powell", I need to use the "intitle" parameter: "allintitle:lake powell".

I don't believe there's a way for users to set: "filter=0" to automatically display similar entries (all C-Brats entries are "similar").

Edit: Turns out all the results have the header text about the C-Brats site, not text from the post, so there's something else going on when Google filters "similar". allintitle is still useful, but not as much as I'd hoped. And they also return each individual post - there appears to be no concept of a "thread" in Google's indexing.
 
centerisland":2g3sdj0s said:
The "intitle" parameter does what I'm looking for: "intitle:Powell" returns 1 result with similar entries omitted, clicking the "Repeat the search with the omitted results included" gives me three pages. So, for "Lake Powell", I need to use the "intitle" parameter: "allintitle:lake powell".

Neat Google search option - wasn't aware of that one.

centerisland":2g3sdj0s said:
Edit: Turns out all the results have the header text about the C-Brats site, not text from the post, so there's something else going on when Google filters "similar". allintitle is still useful, but not as much as I'd hoped. And they also return each individual post - there appears to be no concept of a "thread" in Google's indexing.

Yup...but the C-Brats header text issue should resolve itself over time.

When I put the Google Search in place, you couldn't see any of the post titles in the returned results. Every search result included the following header:

C-Brats Online! Boating Forums for C-Dory People :: View topic ...

The actual header text inluding the thread title was all there, but Google was truncating things in their search results - eliminating the thread title.

So, I changed the actual header text several weeks ago, shortening it up as follows:

The C-Brats :: - xxxx

where xxxx = the thread title.

However, it takes time for Google to reindex all of the content. Eventually, all the titles in Google's search results should display the actual thread title text...don't know how long that will take.
 
I do find agreement with many of Joe's concerns. It would be greatly helpful if the titles of threads more accurately reflected the subject matter, especially when researching a topic or an area of concern. And, being older and not into texting, I do find many of the acronyms to be undecipherable.

However, for me, the great appeal of this site is the openness of opinion, unencumbered by grammatical concerns or the level of sophistication of our writing skills. I would not enjoy feeling I'm writing a paper for my English teacher.

It reminds me, a bit, of ballroom dancing rules with its many choreographed steps; this keeps many away from dancing and socializing because they have not mastered the various dances.

Whereas, I do have my copy of Strunk and White, and I have mastered the American Psychological Associations rules (APA), I for one vote for a less restrictive writing style for this site. Its charm is its eclectic and all inclusive contributions.

I would regret the loss of a writer's thoughts because of their fear of a grammatical miscue.

Yes, poor writing lacks clarity and often imparts misinformation. But it often gives you a flavor that is lacking if the rules are too tight. Just go to the library and read an article in a scientific journal to get a feel for dead prose.

Tim and Dave Kinghorn
 
Tim & Dave Kinghorn":2lfucu3u said:
I do find agreement with many of Joe's concerns. It would be greatly helpful if the titles of threads more accurately reflected the subject matter, especially when researching a topic or an area of concern. And, being older and not into texting, I do find many of the acronyms to be undecipherable.

However, for me, the great appeal of this site is the openness of opinion, unencumbered by grammatical concerns or the level of sophistication of our writing skills. I would not enjoy feeling I'm writing a paper for my English teacher.

It reminds me, a bit, of ballroom dancing rules with its many choreographed steps; this keeps many away from dancing and socializing because they have not mastered the various dances.

Whereas, I do have my copy of Strunk and White, and I have mastered the American Psychological Associations rules (APA), I for one vote for a less restrictive writing style for this site. Its charm is its eclectic and all inclusive contributions.

I would regret the loss of a writer's thoughts because of their fear of a grammatical miscue.

Yes, poor writing lacks clarity and often imparts misinformation. But it often gives you a flavor that is lacking if the rules are too tight. Just go to the library and read an article in a scientific journal to get a feel for dead prose.

Tim and Dave Kinghorn

You said it much more better than me......
 
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