Should of gotten a Bayliner?
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Tony, gotta agree with Charlie on this one. The fact is something is at work causing the blisters... this will be a good lessons learned for us Brat's... this is the first time I have seen any blistering this extensive on one area of the boat and not above the water line.
Sorry about the crack about the possible intentions of your lawyer. The counselor being your friend means a lot when dishing out advice... I have several lawyer "friends" that have on occasion mentioned in passing how they "pump" up additional billable hours by doing mundane leg work the client could do and save a buck. Just had a fellow Brat's interest at heart.
Mike... I don't mind being called an ass... but an engineer. :sad :
Ouch that hurt! :crook Ya see I am a chemist and chemists have this thing with engineers. It is kinda like the professional relationship between doctors, MD versus OD. You have to poke fun where ever ya can, but in a nice way.
Tony... I hope you get the old girl shipshape soon! I'll be watching the forum for updates.
Sweet dreams all! Butch
Sorry about the crack about the possible intentions of your lawyer. The counselor being your friend means a lot when dishing out advice... I have several lawyer "friends" that have on occasion mentioned in passing how they "pump" up additional billable hours by doing mundane leg work the client could do and save a buck. Just had a fellow Brat's interest at heart.
Mike... I don't mind being called an ass... but an engineer. :sad :
Ouch that hurt! :crook Ya see I am a chemist and chemists have this thing with engineers. It is kinda like the professional relationship between doctors, MD versus OD. You have to poke fun where ever ya can, but in a nice way.Tony... I hope you get the old girl shipshape soon! I'll be watching the forum for updates.
Sweet dreams all! Butch
Maybe I should just stay out of this one. I'm getting everyone screwed up.
C-Otter - Tony's boat looks to me to have the standard C-Dory color scheme, as seen in the other photos in his album. It's green and white, with the bottom of the hull the same as the trim color.
Butch - you're not the guy I called an engineer or a smart ass. I can get away with that with DoD because of the historically great mutual admiration between mechanics and engineers, but I'm scared of you. But now that you mention it - all the pulp industry bosses seem to be chemical engineers, and that's a dangerous combination. Maybe because of constant conflict within themselves?
C-Otter - Tony's boat looks to me to have the standard C-Dory color scheme, as seen in the other photos in his album. It's green and white, with the bottom of the hull the same as the trim color.
Butch - you're not the guy I called an engineer or a smart ass. I can get away with that with DoD because of the historically great mutual admiration between mechanics and engineers, but I'm scared of you. But now that you mention it - all the pulp industry bosses seem to be chemical engineers, and that's a dangerous combination. Maybe because of constant conflict within themselves?
dogon dory
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Captains Cat
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Whoa, that changes everything, no paint? Never seen one like that, with a colored bottom and no paint. The factory needs to weigh in on this one, there's something amiss.
Tony, just be a little patient, I know Jeff and the factory will maie it right somehow.
Bedtime here on the east coast. Sleep tight...
Charlie
Tony, just be a little patient, I know Jeff and the factory will maie it right somehow.
Bedtime here on the east coast. Sleep tight...
Charlie
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I believe that color gel coated bottoms has been an option for some time. My 1992 C dory 22 had blue gel coat, under the epoxy barrier coat, which was under the bottom paint (from a previous life).
I have sort of made a hobby of following the osmosis issues for a number of years. I have seen a couple of boats (out of many hundreds/thousands) which were "Ruined" by osmosis--blistering. But this is not one of those. In those boats, the blistering was so severe that holes developed in the laminate.
Basically there are two ways to treat blistering--one is to patch the blisters as they occur (We have found that shallow grinding with a carbide bit and building concentric circles of cloth with epoxy was the best way, they fairing with high density filler), the other is to do a "peel" with a carbide cutter, remove the gel coat, and often the first layer of mat. Then rebuild the bottom with epoxy (and occasionally a layer of cloth). There are several unique problems with this on the C Dory. One of these is that the boat is gel coated, and has not bottom paint, so the first alternative is not attractive. The second means that you will probably end up with bottom paint on the boat, after the epoxy coats and the bottom is refaired if you go that direction. The peeling process is not cheap or easy. The boat has to be dryed (which means either hot vac,& wash) or dehumidified in a heated environment.
However, it is unusual for "typical" blistering to occur in 9 months. This makes one think that bonding of the green gel coat may be an issue--and hopefully that the blistering does not go below the gel coat. (In many of the long term blistering cases, the blister can be deep in the laminate). It will be very interesting to see what these blisters contain, and how deep they are.
Another issue is that I belive that most of the C Dories are balsa cored. Because of the thickness of the laminate, problems with the balsa or plywood have been minimal.
However, I am surprised that one one has mentioned a moisture meter. What does the moisture meter show? There can be falsely elevated readings when a boat is just hauled --generally one waits a few weeks to look for wet areas in the bottom. Metal objects inside the hull and bottom paint can also give erronous readings.
Good luck and keep us all posted on what the factory says.
I have sort of made a hobby of following the osmosis issues for a number of years. I have seen a couple of boats (out of many hundreds/thousands) which were "Ruined" by osmosis--blistering. But this is not one of those. In those boats, the blistering was so severe that holes developed in the laminate.
Basically there are two ways to treat blistering--one is to patch the blisters as they occur (We have found that shallow grinding with a carbide bit and building concentric circles of cloth with epoxy was the best way, they fairing with high density filler), the other is to do a "peel" with a carbide cutter, remove the gel coat, and often the first layer of mat. Then rebuild the bottom with epoxy (and occasionally a layer of cloth). There are several unique problems with this on the C Dory. One of these is that the boat is gel coated, and has not bottom paint, so the first alternative is not attractive. The second means that you will probably end up with bottom paint on the boat, after the epoxy coats and the bottom is refaired if you go that direction. The peeling process is not cheap or easy. The boat has to be dryed (which means either hot vac,& wash) or dehumidified in a heated environment.
However, it is unusual for "typical" blistering to occur in 9 months. This makes one think that bonding of the green gel coat may be an issue--and hopefully that the blistering does not go below the gel coat. (In many of the long term blistering cases, the blister can be deep in the laminate). It will be very interesting to see what these blisters contain, and how deep they are.
Another issue is that I belive that most of the C Dories are balsa cored. Because of the thickness of the laminate, problems with the balsa or plywood have been minimal.
However, I am surprised that one one has mentioned a moisture meter. What does the moisture meter show? There can be falsely elevated readings when a boat is just hauled --generally one waits a few weeks to look for wet areas in the bottom. Metal objects inside the hull and bottom paint can also give erronous readings.
Good luck and keep us all posted on what the factory says.
Captains Cat
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Sorry about that, musta been asleep during that trip. I must have been looking at the big picture, not the boat bottoms...
Charlie
Charlie
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Attention BRATS,
Please make sure you only write encouragement to Tony and ask no questions or you will get a curse filled PM in your "IN" box. I just got Six swear words in one paragraph (A couple of them were even spelled correctly).
He will even offer his home number and what I can only interpret as a boxing lesson if you disagree. Not the "Prairie Home Companion" crowd I had hoped for from his local. More like "Fargo". I guess I shouldn't be surprised with the fact that even his boat name has a curse (misspelled) in it.
Good Luck!
Please make sure you only write encouragement to Tony and ask no questions or you will get a curse filled PM in your "IN" box. I just got Six swear words in one paragraph (A couple of them were even spelled correctly).
He will even offer his home number and what I can only interpret as a boxing lesson if you disagree. Not the "Prairie Home Companion" crowd I had hoped for from his local. More like "Fargo". I guess I shouldn't be surprised with the fact that even his boat name has a curse (misspelled) in it.
Good Luck!
I noticed the identical (compared to the posted photos) skin condition on my 2001 CD22 last spring when prepping it for the season. I only saw it in the green gel coat too and didn't get too upset about it until now. Minnie Swann sits in fresh water too for about 4 months per season. I clean her hull with various acid chemicals which say they are suitable and recommended for fiberglass and follow directions to the letter. Maybe this is the cause? I always thought blisters were big and puffy so I wasn't worried about these little pimples. I think I remember trying to dent one with my thumbnail and it appeared to be solid. Is it possible this is a harmless little abberation like orange peal in paint.
OK Mom I will be good. Ya sure you bet-cha, Dat Dare is a goot idea Don't cha know. I did fire up the wood chipper but I will put it away now.
Fairbro
Is it all of the hull or just parts, or should I say witch parts have the pimples? Ours are also hard to the thumbnail. Like grains of sand under the surface. But only on the sides. We thought that it could be sun through the water but there is none on the transom of the boat that faces south in the slip. and there are none on the vary bottom. Tony
Fairbro
Is it all of the hull or just parts, or should I say witch parts have the pimples? Ours are also hard to the thumbnail. Like grains of sand under the surface. But only on the sides. We thought that it could be sun through the water but there is none on the transom of the boat that faces south in the slip. and there are none on the vary bottom. Tony
I had a very nice conversation with your father on the the 12th of July. He told me about the blistering on the boat. I thought that the course of action would be for you to e-mail me photos and due to your short season we would monitor the blistering for the rest of the summer. It sounds like Tom was waiting for a phone call back from our warranty department. I apologize for not getting back to Tom.
Jeff
Jeff
Just got off the phone with Tony. We had a nice conversation. By the way the name of their boat is "No Friggin Rigging" I like that one. They have been sailors for many years.
I don't know of too may misunderstandings that did not start from miscommunication. The bottom line is that we always seem to work things out.
Jeff
I don't know of too may misunderstandings that did not start from miscommunication. The bottom line is that we always seem to work things out.
Jeff