SeaSport Out of Business
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:shock:Back to factory customizaton. I had asked for several features on my Tom Cat--event is c talked with several people at the factory--and yet they were not done. Perhaps worse yet--some things were done, and then changed-leaving some gel coat repair.
The final line from the factory at that point is that it was cheaper to make all of the boats the same--and they are right. It is cheaper. The dealers will tell you that price is very important and competative. Now we all know that the C Dory si worth the cost--but lots of folks don't know that.
I suspect that a lot of the suggestions will become standard with time--all of the boats have evolved--and the suggestions are a good idea.
The final line from the factory at that point is that it was cheaper to make all of the boats the same--and they are right. It is cheaper. The dealers will tell you that price is very important and competative. Now we all know that the C Dory si worth the cost--but lots of folks don't know that.
I suspect that a lot of the suggestions will become standard with time--all of the boats have evolved--and the suggestions are a good idea.
Matt Gurnsey
New member
Actually, an attempt was made to do a more turn key C-Dory in the Venture series. I think it addressed many of the features that have been mentioned. I like the venture 23 more than the 22 Classic just for some of the features that are on it, and most options on the 22 that would be wanted for cruising are standard. Plus the upgraded interior addresses the condensation issues. The list goes on.
But there are some who are more "purists" (for lack of a better term) and don't like the Venture. Which is fine, both models have been offered, and the lengthy option list on the 22 allows a buyer to order a boat as they want it.
But I am seeing resisitance in the market to having to order a boat by consumers. They want to see and sit in one before they'll committ to spending the money. So not stocking boats is tough, but offereing so many options means we may not have what someone wants in stock.
I don't have any magic solutions, but not knowing what the factory is doing is not helping us at all.
But there are some who are more "purists" (for lack of a better term) and don't like the Venture. Which is fine, both models have been offered, and the lengthy option list on the 22 allows a buyer to order a boat as they want it.
But I am seeing resisitance in the market to having to order a boat by consumers. They want to see and sit in one before they'll committ to spending the money. So not stocking boats is tough, but offereing so many options means we may not have what someone wants in stock.
I don't have any magic solutions, but not knowing what the factory is doing is not helping us at all.
jan schoondergang
New member
Hello C-Brats, I'm a new dealer for Triton Industries in the Netherlands, Europe.
Scott and Jeff are building me two Skagit Orca's 27 at the moment in a way those boats are never built before. They use resin infusion method
and laminate the deck, cabin etc instead of screwing and using kit. these will be 100% better built boats than the Skagit Orca's that were built by the former owners.
When we were in Bellingham in february this year Jeff told us that they had to downsize there factory to survive and it struck us that they were very open about this.
There were a lot of building items on the older Skagit Orca's that we didn't like and Scott chanced them in a way you can tell that he is a real professional with an open ear for the customer.
He sends us updates every week including photo's of the building process and emails when he is not certain about things we agreed on.
I will keep you informed about further building and delivery of the boats as this is the best way for you to see that this is a reliable firm.
Have a lot of nice boating days,
Jan Schoondergang
Scott and Jeff are building me two Skagit Orca's 27 at the moment in a way those boats are never built before. They use resin infusion method
and laminate the deck, cabin etc instead of screwing and using kit. these will be 100% better built boats than the Skagit Orca's that were built by the former owners.
When we were in Bellingham in february this year Jeff told us that they had to downsize there factory to survive and it struck us that they were very open about this.
There were a lot of building items on the older Skagit Orca's that we didn't like and Scott chanced them in a way you can tell that he is a real professional with an open ear for the customer.
He sends us updates every week including photo's of the building process and emails when he is not certain about things we agreed on.
I will keep you informed about further building and delivery of the boats as this is the best way for you to see that this is a reliable firm.
Have a lot of nice boating days,
Jan Schoondergang
Jan-
Thanks for your post, it's very encouraging! Good luck!
I thought some illumination on the Resin Infusion Method might be in order after your post.
I'm familiar with the process, and out here we usually call the process "vacuum bagging".
More: Resin Infusion Explained
Joe. :teeth :thup
Thanks for your post, it's very encouraging! Good luck!
I thought some illumination on the Resin Infusion Method might be in order after your post.
I'm familiar with the process, and out here we usually call the process "vacuum bagging".
More: Resin Infusion Explained
Joe. :teeth :thup
I wonder what Triton Industries is doing for CE certification? C Dory under the Reynolds had NMMA certification for a brief peroid when owned by the Reynolds. NMMA certification was obtained so that they could get CE certification and thus import the boats into Europe. (There is a different company "Triton boats" which does have NMMA certification.)
C Dories have been built with laminated hull to deck joints for a long time. My 1992 22 had a laminated hull to deck joint. I believe that the Skagit Orca had no association with C Dory until the molds were picked up by the Reynolds.
Interesting that resin infusion is being used. There are some real advantages, and some potential disadvantages. Northern Marine has infused some 151 footers. Think of the massive amount of resin which has to be ready to go, and the back up systems necessary to do this.
C Dories have been built with laminated hull to deck joints for a long time. My 1992 22 had a laminated hull to deck joint. I believe that the Skagit Orca had no association with C Dory until the molds were picked up by the Reynolds.
Interesting that resin infusion is being used. There are some real advantages, and some potential disadvantages. Northern Marine has infused some 151 footers. Think of the massive amount of resin which has to be ready to go, and the back up systems necessary to do this.
Pat Anderson
New member
Maybe Bill or Mike should change the title of this thread to something like "Sea Sport Still IN Business"!
BTW, what is the address of the new factory?
BTW, what is the address of the new factory?
jan schoondergang
New member
The Skagits will be CE certified
Jan,
Thank you for your post, much appreciated. To all, our new address phone numbers and fax numbers will be posted next Monday as we will be at the new plant then.
Resin infusion is different than vacuum bagging. Vacuum bagging is still a wet layup with the curing being done under vacuum, resin infusion is a dry process with both the layup and curing done while under vacuum. If anybody would like a more detailed explanation please don't hesitate to give me a call or send me an e-mail for clarification.
I like the link with suggestions, I will start reading these more and more during the next couple of weeks as you start to see us take a bigger role in this C-brats page.
Thanks to all for your continued support, and understanding during our move.
Sincerely,
Scott Boysen
Thank you for your post, much appreciated. To all, our new address phone numbers and fax numbers will be posted next Monday as we will be at the new plant then.
Resin infusion is different than vacuum bagging. Vacuum bagging is still a wet layup with the curing being done under vacuum, resin infusion is a dry process with both the layup and curing done while under vacuum. If anybody would like a more detailed explanation please don't hesitate to give me a call or send me an e-mail for clarification.
I like the link with suggestions, I will start reading these more and more during the next couple of weeks as you start to see us take a bigger role in this C-brats page.
Thanks to all for your continued support, and understanding during our move.
Sincerely,
Scott Boysen
aknelson820
New member
Scott, how are the SeaSport boats coming anything new
jan schoondergang
New member
As promised I can tell you that our two first Skagit Orca's are nearing completion. According to Scott they will be ready in about a forthnight.
Scott updated us weekly with pictures and emails and when he doubted his decissions he contacted us.
The vacuum resin infusion and the laminating of hull to deck and all interior parts are building procedures you won't find with other builders of boats in this price range.
So, if someone is intrested you can still admire the boats at Triton Marine Industrie in Bellingham.
If someone tells me how to post pictures, I'll send some.
Nice boating days,
Jan Schoondergang
Netherlands
Scott updated us weekly with pictures and emails and when he doubted his decissions he contacted us.
The vacuum resin infusion and the laminating of hull to deck and all interior parts are building procedures you won't find with other builders of boats in this price range.
So, if someone is intrested you can still admire the boats at Triton Marine Industrie in Bellingham.
If someone tells me how to post pictures, I'll send some.
Nice boating days,
Jan Schoondergang
Netherlands
Captains Cat
New member
Thanks for the info Jan. We would like to see the pictures. Just put them somewhere on the internet (photobucket, flickr, or some picture site) and copy the link to one of them. Then, in your post put it between the Img functions
like that. If one of the nerds sees this, they can set up an album on this site for you, you could link to them from there too.
Looking forward to seeing them.
Charlie
Looking forward to seeing them.
Charlie
Soundings Trade only today linked the article in http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2010/08 ... amily.html confirms that Sea Sport was taken over by a bank:
Today, the Lindhout brothers - Jeff, Jon and Jake - own a scaled-down new business that is a shadow of what they once had. They recently started Triton Marine Industries in a 15,000-square-foot facility at 5375 LaBounty Road, near Interstate 5 and Smith Road. The Lindhouts closed Boondocks at the beginning of 2010, then vacated the SeaSport facility in the spring, turning it and the SeaSport boat line over to Washington Federal bank.
At Triton, they can build boats from the remaining boat lines they own - Osprey, C-Dory TomCat and Skagit Orca boats. Triton also does boat service work and sells used and consigned boats, including Seasport.
Earlier in this thread Matt Gurnsey had noted that Triton Marine did not own the C Dory molds and I made the following post, which was never answered:
Scott, Sorry to put you on the spot--but here is what one of your dealers posted in the other thread:
Quote:
Triton Marine was (is?) a reorganization of Sea Sport to protect them from creditors. Looks like that may not have worked. The web sites for all the brands are still online, with the new phone numbers that had been created for each brand. So I wouldn't count them out yet, nor do I know how reliable the original post's source on this is. Jeff Lindout is a bright guy, and being a lawyer may know how best to move forward to protect the company and the brands in these tough times.
It is possible that the reorganization will be used to step away from warrantying previous boats. But if Sea Sport is indeed dead, which I find unlikely since Triton came out of Sea Sport, then I'm not sure where that leaves Triton. It is possible that Triton has been sold to someone new in the last few months. I have no idea. We've heard no news from the factory.
Sea Sport / Triton does not own the C-Dory, Skagit Orca or TomCat molds. They were (are) paying a royalty on every boat they build to the owner of the molds. My understanding was that so long as they build boats, they could use the molds. The group that had ownership of the molds has apparantly sold them, and future royalties to another company. I have heard of two different people claiming to own the molds- one of which I beleive based on two sources (one of which would definately be in the know).
Can you comment on the various implications in this post:
1. what is the warantee status of previously built C Dories, Sakgit or Sea Sports built by you?
2. Is it true that you do not own the C Dory, Tom Cat and Skagit Orca Molds?
3. Do you have exclusive rights to use of these molds?
Sorry to ask tough questions--but the post did bring up a number of questions which were of concern to many of us--and to the future of the C Dory line.
_________________
So I ask the same questions 3 months later.
Today, the Lindhout brothers - Jeff, Jon and Jake - own a scaled-down new business that is a shadow of what they once had. They recently started Triton Marine Industries in a 15,000-square-foot facility at 5375 LaBounty Road, near Interstate 5 and Smith Road. The Lindhouts closed Boondocks at the beginning of 2010, then vacated the SeaSport facility in the spring, turning it and the SeaSport boat line over to Washington Federal bank.
At Triton, they can build boats from the remaining boat lines they own - Osprey, C-Dory TomCat and Skagit Orca boats. Triton also does boat service work and sells used and consigned boats, including Seasport.
Earlier in this thread Matt Gurnsey had noted that Triton Marine did not own the C Dory molds and I made the following post, which was never answered:
Scott, Sorry to put you on the spot--but here is what one of your dealers posted in the other thread:
Quote:
Triton Marine was (is?) a reorganization of Sea Sport to protect them from creditors. Looks like that may not have worked. The web sites for all the brands are still online, with the new phone numbers that had been created for each brand. So I wouldn't count them out yet, nor do I know how reliable the original post's source on this is. Jeff Lindout is a bright guy, and being a lawyer may know how best to move forward to protect the company and the brands in these tough times.
It is possible that the reorganization will be used to step away from warrantying previous boats. But if Sea Sport is indeed dead, which I find unlikely since Triton came out of Sea Sport, then I'm not sure where that leaves Triton. It is possible that Triton has been sold to someone new in the last few months. I have no idea. We've heard no news from the factory.
Sea Sport / Triton does not own the C-Dory, Skagit Orca or TomCat molds. They were (are) paying a royalty on every boat they build to the owner of the molds. My understanding was that so long as they build boats, they could use the molds. The group that had ownership of the molds has apparantly sold them, and future royalties to another company. I have heard of two different people claiming to own the molds- one of which I beleive based on two sources (one of which would definately be in the know).
Can you comment on the various implications in this post:
1. what is the warantee status of previously built C Dories, Sakgit or Sea Sports built by you?
2. Is it true that you do not own the C Dory, Tom Cat and Skagit Orca Molds?
3. Do you have exclusive rights to use of these molds?
Sorry to ask tough questions--but the post did bring up a number of questions which were of concern to many of us--and to the future of the C Dory line.
_________________
So I ask the same questions 3 months later.
aknelson820
New member
pretty Sad ! I have only the same ? as others why not the other boat lines as well. Obviously more to the story. My hope is that one day they can turn this around and this was not another case of getting to big to fast. All these boat lines are very well made limited production boats its just sad to see a boat line started in 1955 and was there bread and butter just go away like that.
Pat Anderson
New member
Folks, the Sea Sport folding story is really OLD news to those of us who saw the Boondocks outlet at Squalicum close followed by the closing of the Wright Brothers factory on Meridian Street.
I visited the Triton Marine factory in Ferndale in July as part of the Bellingham CBGT (I posted some pix in the B'ham CBGT album), and it really reminded me a LOT of the original C-Dory factory in Kent. There were boats being built (Skagit Orkas, Ospreys and a couple of C-Dorys) and it certainly seemed right-sized for these crazy times.
I visited the Triton Marine factory in Ferndale in July as part of the Bellingham CBGT (I posted some pix in the B'ham CBGT album), and it really reminded me a LOT of the original C-Dory factory in Kent. There were boats being built (Skagit Orkas, Ospreys and a couple of C-Dorys) and it certainly seemed right-sized for these crazy times.