SeaPiper 34
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This is a 8' 6" beam, 34" length displacement hull. I assume it's not too stable on it's own as they shove 2500 lbs of ballast into the hull. And it has a cockpit in the center, where any water coming over the bow will congregate. I hope it has good drainage. It's trailerable, though, with the right truck.
At a price of $114,000 it's in the ballpark of a Tomcat or 25 Ranger Tug with even more amenities. I'd love to find out where it's going to be built and more important, see one demonstrated. If their business plan works, we'll all be moving to China.
Boris
At a price of $114,000 it's in the ballpark of a Tomcat or 25 Ranger Tug with even more amenities. I'd love to find out where it's going to be built and more important, see one demonstrated. If their business plan works, we'll all be moving to China.
Boris
I've been enjoying the YouTube adds for the Aspen single engine multihull boats. The C90, or 28 footer has lots of nice features, is trailer-able (but not with a half ton PU), quite stable as it is a multihull, it gets the same mileage as my CD22, (3 mpg of diesel), but at $260,000 is a bit beyond my reach. Maybe in my next life.
Chuck
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Life at 10 mph is not the same as 18 mph, on average.
Pilothouse more aft, where I'd be most of the time, gives a much smoother ride
into seas. Not so good for those riding in the bow compartment on a long
passage.
Set up nicely for a Mariachi band on the foredeck and dancing in the center
cockpit...
Looks like it was designed by a freighter captain.
I'd rent one but probably not buy until I settle down some.
Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Speed changes you."
Pilothouse more aft, where I'd be most of the time, gives a much smoother ride
into seas. Not so good for those riding in the bow compartment on a long
passage.
Set up nicely for a Mariachi band on the foredeck and dancing in the center
cockpit...
Looks like it was designed by a freighter captain.
I'd rent one but probably not buy until I settle down some.
Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Speed changes you."
As for the boat design, I'm having a hard time understanding the desirability of having an open space between the main cabin and the sleeping quarters and then a really tiny cockpit. I don't really want to have to walk in the weather to get to the fore cabin from the salon and the aft cockpit space is so small it's almost useless (especially for a fisherman). Move that salon forward to join with the forecabin and give me a bigger cockpit and then you have something. Then in the early AM I can arise from bed and get a drink from the fridge without going out into the weather. The current design makes no sense to me at all.
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RobLL,
Newer sailboats are using beam for stability, as opposed to adding ballast. For example, a Catalina 34' sailboat has a beam of 12' and a dinghy bottom (flatter, but still rounded.) That's so when it's heeled, the weight has a bigger lever arm to right the boat. Makes for a lighter and more stable boat. Lighter is cheaper and faster. The Catalina 34 is a good sailing boat. The weight, including ballast is 12,000 lbs.
The SeaPiper 34, however, appears to go the other way. It's narrower, at leagel highway limits, 8 1/2', and adds 2500 # of weight for stability for a total of 15,500 lbs. And since it costs money to add weight, I don't understand the narrow beam. They advertise 2000 mile range, but i certainly don't want to take that out in an ocean.
BTW, the company is located in Carlsbad, just down the street from home. Wonder is any of those boats will appear in SoCal.
Boris
Newer sailboats are using beam for stability, as opposed to adding ballast. For example, a Catalina 34' sailboat has a beam of 12' and a dinghy bottom (flatter, but still rounded.) That's so when it's heeled, the weight has a bigger lever arm to right the boat. Makes for a lighter and more stable boat. Lighter is cheaper and faster. The Catalina 34 is a good sailing boat. The weight, including ballast is 12,000 lbs.
The SeaPiper 34, however, appears to go the other way. It's narrower, at leagel highway limits, 8 1/2', and adds 2500 # of weight for stability for a total of 15,500 lbs. And since it costs money to add weight, I don't understand the narrow beam. They advertise 2000 mile range, but i certainly don't want to take that out in an ocean.
BTW, the company is located in Carlsbad, just down the street from home. Wonder is any of those boats will appear in SoCal.
Boris
Roger, Journey - thanks for the responses. I don't know 'dingy' about sailboats, but the picture of the motor sailor seems to make sense as to all over design. But I wonder about making a basic hull serve for both a motor and sail boat. It would take one heck of a truck to pull the thing. On the other hand a used one for 40% of the new price might be OK. LOL.
Aurelia":3r99cjf7 said:
Bingo...that's just dumb. Particularly since they are marketing it to the PNW.
Need to use the head? You'll have to dress for the walk forward/back. When the decks are wet, you'll track crap back/forth each time you do.
And that cockpit location...ugh. Who wants to sit between two cabins, with your only view out the sides?
And lastly...come on, admit it. That thing is just plain UGLY.
Chuckpacific
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I'm always a bit skeptical of new boats for which there are no actual pictures. In addition one of the simulated pics shows this craft making good speed and creating a wake that I would not expect from a 34 ft boat with a 110 hp engine. In addition the narrow beam would bother me.
I'll sign on with those who say this is a bunch of really dumb ideas. The objections are well voiced already. I have owned a couple of center cockpit sailboats--one of which had a layout very similar (no pilot house) in a 32 footer. But it slept 6 (4 forward where the galley and head were, and 2 aft. That trek thru the center cockpit for the use of the head was a real pain! (and that boat had full canvas over the cockpit), plus it had a 9 1/2 foot beam--still narrow for a 32 footer, and any narrower would be an issue in the cockpit. How about that sliding athwart ships door in the pilot house--guillotine if it gets loose--show me one which does not leak when bashing into weather!
One of the negatives of the Nordhavn motor sailor is the center cockpit--fine for down wind sailing--if you never need protection from sun, spray or rain…all of which you need protection from. So now you have to put a dodger, and/or Bimini over this center cockpit! What happens to pilot house visibility?
I could send an hour telling these guys where I see flaws in the design--but apparently they are all speed ahead…any one want to invest? Watch out!
There is already a really good 34 foot trailerable trawler: I had corresponded with David Gerr about making a motor sailor version, and we both came to the conclusion that it would be possible, but we would loose some of the beauty of the design.
The idea of a trailerable 34 foot trawler--has been well established by David Gerr: NorthWest 34.:
LOA: 34 ft. - 2 in. (10.4 m)
LWL: 31 ft. - 6 in. (9.6 m)
Beam: 8 ft. - 6 in. (2.6 m)
Draft: 2 ft. - 9 in. (83 cm)
Displacement: 7.5 tons
Diesel: 300 gal. (1135 l)
Water: 90 gal. (340 l)
Speed: 8 kts cruise
Power: Single 46 hp.
Westerbeke Speed: 8 kts cruise, 9 knots max
Running this boat at 6 to 7 knots would give you the 2000 mile range, and much more comfort plus you could make passages in any weather. There have been a few built and they have proven to be good boats. But with about the same capacity of crew as the C Dorys.
One of the negatives of the Nordhavn motor sailor is the center cockpit--fine for down wind sailing--if you never need protection from sun, spray or rain…all of which you need protection from. So now you have to put a dodger, and/or Bimini over this center cockpit! What happens to pilot house visibility?
I could send an hour telling these guys where I see flaws in the design--but apparently they are all speed ahead…any one want to invest? Watch out!
There is already a really good 34 foot trailerable trawler: I had corresponded with David Gerr about making a motor sailor version, and we both came to the conclusion that it would be possible, but we would loose some of the beauty of the design.
The idea of a trailerable 34 foot trawler--has been well established by David Gerr: NorthWest 34.:
LOA: 34 ft. - 2 in. (10.4 m)
LWL: 31 ft. - 6 in. (9.6 m)
Beam: 8 ft. - 6 in. (2.6 m)
Draft: 2 ft. - 9 in. (83 cm)
Displacement: 7.5 tons
Diesel: 300 gal. (1135 l)
Water: 90 gal. (340 l)
Speed: 8 kts cruise
Power: Single 46 hp.
Westerbeke Speed: 8 kts cruise, 9 knots max
Running this boat at 6 to 7 knots would give you the 2000 mile range, and much more comfort plus you could make passages in any weather. There have been a few built and they have proven to be good boats. But with about the same capacity of crew as the C Dorys.
Being an armchair naval architect (I'm a building architect in real life) I applaud these guys for putting something new out there. With that said, I think they have some serious flaws in their design philosophy and the market will ultimately decide their fate. It will also be interesting to see if they get enough orders to justify the cost of the tooling for the molds.
First of all, the length to beam ratio is out of whack. this sucker is going to have a tendency to roll. A similar boat is the Nimble Wanderer with an 8'-6" beam and a 32' length. Seriously, is someone going to trailer this boat down to the local ramp for an afternoon cruise? The 8'-6" beam is an arbitrary criteria, as a 9'-6" wide boat can be trailered with permits.
I think the layout would work better if the wheelhouse, galley, dinette, head, and v-berth occupied the front of the boat followed by the mid cockpit followed by an aft cabin, similar to the Albin 25 or Albin 27.
It might also make sense to offer this boat with a large cockpit in lieu of the aft cabin, similar to the Mainship Pilot.
I will actually be surprised if this boat gets built. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it!
First of all, the length to beam ratio is out of whack. this sucker is going to have a tendency to roll. A similar boat is the Nimble Wanderer with an 8'-6" beam and a 32' length. Seriously, is someone going to trailer this boat down to the local ramp for an afternoon cruise? The 8'-6" beam is an arbitrary criteria, as a 9'-6" wide boat can be trailered with permits.
I think the layout would work better if the wheelhouse, galley, dinette, head, and v-berth occupied the front of the boat followed by the mid cockpit followed by an aft cabin, similar to the Albin 25 or Albin 27.
It might also make sense to offer this boat with a large cockpit in lieu of the aft cabin, similar to the Mainship Pilot.
I will actually be surprised if this boat gets built. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it!