I am the proud owner of a 22’ c-dory cruiser, year 2000. It has a 90 HP Honda, same vintage. I am looking at 9.9 HP, 4 cycle Yamaha long shaft for a kicker. Our local marine dealer, not familiar with c-dorys thinks there is not enough room on the transom for this motor. Any thoughts on this?
Room on transom for kicker?
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I have basically the same setup you are looking for already, 2003 CD22 with 90 Honda, and a Honda 9.9 kicker beside it. The kicker is clamped on with hydraulic lift/tilt as far to starboard as you can get, and a starter and throttle to the helm. A rod is attached to the 90 to allow steering, thus the 90 must be down. I can either unhook the 90 and attach the gas or use a separate remote gas tank. When not using it, I take the steering rod off, tilt it to full up and the motor sits out of the way to starboard. I bungee it so it can't flop over. The prop drags a little until on step. The setup works OK, but it adds 100 lb to the transom. It is simply an insurance policy for me. I have electric trolling motors front and back, and love them, particularly the front one, which also acts as an electronic "anchor". Most of the time the 9.9 is just a useless pain, since it leans the boat a lot to starboard. I've taken it off when close to home, and I can get on step quicker without the weight and lack of balance, but I figure if I take a big trip without it, then I'll need it. You'll definitely need trim tabs is you get this because your boat will lean to the side the motor is on. Do not get this motor mounted without trim tabs. IMO, it just won't work without trim tabs.
PaulNBriannaLynn
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Our boat has one. We have two swim steps, one on either side of the 90 Honda. The starboard swim step has a kicker mount, and the 9.9 Honda sits on that. Works great, although I've yet to really use the kicker much. When I need it Ill be glad its there.
potter water
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I agree with your boat guy. With the main motor dead center, you won't get a 9 kicker, or any other size for that matter onto the transom. Others have the recommended solution.
journey on
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nimrod/jd,
How does the 9.8 Tohatsu run? What year is it? I just changed the 9.9 Honda out for a Tohatsu because of the weight difference. Unfortunately, no chance to try out the motor yet, fixing brakes on the trailer.
Boris
How does the 9.8 Tohatsu run? What year is it? I just changed the 9.9 Honda out for a Tohatsu because of the weight difference. Unfortunately, no chance to try out the motor yet, fixing brakes on the trailer.
Boris
potter water":30jbgfbj said:
I think mounting the kicker on the transom is viable. I've put some pictures in my personal area showing my Honda 9.9 kicker up, down, hydraulics, remote starter/throttle/trim, and the tie bar for steering. This is my first time putting images in a message so I might not/probably do not know what I am doing. Apologies if I mess up.
I agree you might want a short shaft, since mine with long shaft drags a little on step unless I tilt it up more than the tilt/trim does. Note that in my opinion, the room available isn't so much the problem, but the 100+ lbs on one side certainly is. You'll also need trim tabs. If you only plan to troll, the electric motor is perfect for slow trolling, and you can mount your charger and carry a small generator if you think your batteries won't handle your whole day, or if you are remote. For fast trolling (i.e. tuna in the ocean), the main motor is fine. The only problem is if your main quits, you'll need the 9.9 to come back in. You could probably do this on the upper Columbia reservoirs near Kettle Falls, but the Pacific Ocean or even Puget Sound with tides may be another story.
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robhwa-
Nice to see your electric anti-ventilation plate mounted trolling motor on your main 90 Honda engine.
I loved mine and thought it was a great solution to the problem of how to troll slowly and steathly enough for trout in quiet waters under 2 mph.
Good thinking!
Joe. :teeth :thup
Nice to see your electric anti-ventilation plate mounted trolling motor on your main 90 Honda engine.
I loved mine and thought it was a great solution to the problem of how to troll slowly and steathly enough for trout in quiet waters under 2 mph.
Good thinking!
Joe. :teeth :thup
little wing
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I've got the large 90 Suzuki. A heavy Nissan 9.8 short shaft sits next to it to port, on the transom, no brackets or mounts. Works ok as long as there is minimal wave action. It sits too high.
I'm going to switch out the Nissan kicker for probably a 3.5 Tohatsu/Mercury to reduce weight. My back can't take the 115# Nissan. I figure a long shaft is best. Don't think I care if it drags in the water. Hopefully it clears the trim tab.
I'm going to switch out the Nissan kicker for probably a 3.5 Tohatsu/Mercury to reduce weight. My back can't take the 115# Nissan. I figure a long shaft is best. Don't think I care if it drags in the water. Hopefully it clears the trim tab.
I mounted a standard shaft Tohatsu 6 on a Garelick swing-up bracket (spaced out one inch from the transom) on the starboard side. Trim tabs on the outside and the main motor in the center made a direct transom mount impossible. In testing last fall the motor was fine for shaft length and a bit of a challenge to raise and lower; securing it for safety while towing is a concern too.
I figured the 6 would get me out of trouble if needed, and probably push the boat at close to displacement hull speed unless there's serious adverse wind or current.
A nearby friend mounted his long-shaft 9.9 kicker on a custom bracket and linked it's steering to the main motor with a rod similar to the photos on this thread. He can then steer it from the helm. He also got a kicker with an alternator so it charges his batteries.
I figured the 6 would get me out of trouble if needed, and probably push the boat at close to displacement hull speed unless there's serious adverse wind or current.
A nearby friend mounted his long-shaft 9.9 kicker on a custom bracket and linked it's steering to the main motor with a rod similar to the photos on this thread. He can then steer it from the helm. He also got a kicker with an alternator so it charges his batteries.
Peter & Judy
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I have a Honda 90 and a Honda 9.9 on my boat and have not had any problems with it. I use the 9.9 for trawling and I try to run it for a while on every cruise just to keep it ready in case I need it get me home some day.
Seems to me a majority of CD22 owners installed a kicker on their transom. In our case, the factory installed a Mini-Jacker bracket to install the kicker so that it could clear the trim tabs. This install is VERY common.
The kicker had plenty of room on the transom next to the Main. I used a stainless steel tie bar so that I could steer from the helm. Much easier than using the tiller, especially when the kicker is installed on the port side.
Jody was right, if you install a Long sized kicker, the lower unit dragged in the water. I didn't raise it until our last year, I don't know why we waited so long.
Peter
The kicker had plenty of room on the transom next to the Main. I used a stainless steel tie bar so that I could steer from the helm. Much easier than using the tiller, especially when the kicker is installed on the port side.
Jody was right, if you install a Long sized kicker, the lower unit dragged in the water. I didn't raise it until our last year, I don't know why we waited so long.
Peter
little wing
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Short shaft. Direct transom mount. Sits close to vertical and clears the trim tab. Note that the cavitation plate is above trim tab. With excessive throttle (which you don't need to approach hull speed) it will entrain air.
With all the talk of long shafts dragging in the water, I contradicted what I said earlier and picked up a short shaft 6hp that is 60# lighter than the 9.8. I plan to direct transom mount as well.
Can anyone tell me the performance of a 5 or 6 HP, which I could keep stored up front until I need it and move it around, say to a dingy. Right now I have a Honda 90, Honda 9.9 (100+ lbs) and an 80 lb thrust electric on the stern, and another 80 lb thrust electric on the bow. Actually the stern electric is bolted to the antiventilation plate, which some folks call a cavitation plate, so all stern units are on the transom. The electric weighs about 12 lbs, so no big deal for the electric. The batteries and controller are under the seats in the cabin. That is where the real weight for the electrics is, but its much better there than on the stern, IMHO.
With the 160 lb of thrust from the stern and bow electrics going full I can do about 3.5 knots, which is well below hull speed. I can do 7 knots with the 9.9. It seems that nearly 7 knots comes relatively quickly, and additional RPMs from the 9.9 don't give me much since I don't have enough power to plane. Obviously, I can't keep up with a strong tide (i.e. Tacoma Narrows Bridge can be 5 knots), or even probably a strong wind, with the electric. When there are bigger waves, the front electric will come out of the water, and thus isn't any real use under those conditions.
I only want the kicker to get me home if the 90 can't, say from the ocean for halibut or tuna. 6 knots should be good, about 4 or 5 hours, maybe a little more if I'm out for tuna. The 9.9 can do this nicely, but I hate the weight on the transom and the permanent list to starboard, which I currently counter with large batteries under the dinette on the port side. If I'm coming back from tuna, I'd obviously have extra fuel, be loaded with gear, coolers and ice. 100+ lb off the transom would be very useful.
With the 160 lb of thrust from the stern and bow electrics going full I can do about 3.5 knots, which is well below hull speed. I can do 7 knots with the 9.9. It seems that nearly 7 knots comes relatively quickly, and additional RPMs from the 9.9 don't give me much since I don't have enough power to plane. Obviously, I can't keep up with a strong tide (i.e. Tacoma Narrows Bridge can be 5 knots), or even probably a strong wind, with the electric. When there are bigger waves, the front electric will come out of the water, and thus isn't any real use under those conditions.
I only want the kicker to get me home if the 90 can't, say from the ocean for halibut or tuna. 6 knots should be good, about 4 or 5 hours, maybe a little more if I'm out for tuna. The 9.9 can do this nicely, but I hate the weight on the transom and the permanent list to starboard, which I currently counter with large batteries under the dinette on the port side. If I'm coming back from tuna, I'd obviously have extra fuel, be loaded with gear, coolers and ice. 100+ lb off the transom would be very useful.
island andy
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I can give you my experience with a 6 hp Tohatsu long shaft hung directly on the transom, starboard side.
Lightly loaded, with light wind <10 mph, at about 3/4 throttle, the motor will push the boat at about 6.5 mph per gps. I figure that is about hull speed. Under those conditions, the boat steers well from the helm using the main motor which is a 90 hp Etec. The Tohatsu is not linked to the main motor. Response is sluggish, but in the open quite adequate.
I do not find the long shaft an issue with respect to dragging. The lower unit is out of the water at rest when tilted, and on plane it does not drag.
Again, mine is a lightly loaded boat which we use to commute between the marina and an island cottage in the 30,000 islands area of Georgian Bay. For the most part we can use the shelter of islands to avoid heavy seas - Great Lakes style heavy seas! I am satisfied that under the conditions in which we operate that 6 hp would get us home.
I am an arthritic 73 y.o. and I can drop the 60 lb motor on the transom and remove it, but I would not want to do that on a frequent basis.
I think that "results may vary" quite a lot depending on circumstances, but I am delighted with this get-home motor.
andy
Lightly loaded, with light wind <10 mph, at about 3/4 throttle, the motor will push the boat at about 6.5 mph per gps. I figure that is about hull speed. Under those conditions, the boat steers well from the helm using the main motor which is a 90 hp Etec. The Tohatsu is not linked to the main motor. Response is sluggish, but in the open quite adequate.
I do not find the long shaft an issue with respect to dragging. The lower unit is out of the water at rest when tilted, and on plane it does not drag.
Again, mine is a lightly loaded boat which we use to commute between the marina and an island cottage in the 30,000 islands area of Georgian Bay. For the most part we can use the shelter of islands to avoid heavy seas - Great Lakes style heavy seas! I am satisfied that under the conditions in which we operate that 6 hp would get us home.
I am an arthritic 73 y.o. and I can drop the 60 lb motor on the transom and remove it, but I would not want to do that on a frequent basis.
I think that "results may vary" quite a lot depending on circumstances, but I am delighted with this get-home motor.
andy