Raymarine may be sold to Garmin

thataway

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If you are watching the financial news, you may have noted that Raymarine appears to be in the process of selling the company, and Garmin seems to be the buyer most comonly reported.

I don't know what effect this will have either on products, warantees and developement, but it is a sign of the times, with Navco having purchased Lowrance, Simrad, B&D, Eagle, & Northstar. We may be down to only two choices in electronics manufactuers shortly...
 
Word on the street is thet Navico will be simplifying their line up by eliminating Northstar, and rolling an updated version of that product line into Simrad. Lowrance will continue, and Eagle will still be in some of the big box stores as a value price leader product.

I have said for years that garmin wnats to be Raymarine, and now they may be able to do so. garmin has not been able to make inroads into the high end yacht market, so buying Raymarine may allow them the chance (although Raymarine has had challanges gettig onto high end boats that prefer the ruggedness of Furuno or the look and style of Simrad).
 
Hi,
The new name will be reportedly Gaymarine. As far as the warranty thing goes some have said to expect the usual no warranty will be available to the unfortunate owners of Raymarine products as it is considered now to be an acceptable practice. I mean how could Garmin be held accountable for units they did not manufacture? The report goes on to say blah, blah, blah and you are soooooo right Peter. Go figure. The above is just in the rumor stage. Don't bunch up men one grenade will take out the bunch. :roll:
D.D.
 
Raymarine was spun off of Raytheon in 2001. Even at that time Garmin expressed an interest in buying the recreational division of Raytheon. In 2008, Garmin made a direct bid for Raymarine. That did not pay out. So this is nothing new.

If you follow the financial news, this is far more than a rumor. There are substantial talks which have been going on for some time, and a price is near, plus there are stock implications.

I suspect initially that the lines will be separate. But Raymarine does bring some product lines to Garmin which they have been under-represented. For example the autopilots.
 
Funny you mention the Garmin Auto pilots. Garmin bought up TR-1 last year and jumped far ahead of Raymarine in the Auto pilot systems. The raymarine auto pilot , which I have, is far inferior to the Tr-1/Garmin systems, that I have used on many boats. The tr-1 will troll backwards, very important in rivers or for jigging in the salt. Its far more accurate then the raymarine as far as following a track or going to a waypoint. If Garmin had bought tr-1 sooner then I would have it on my boat. At the time I bought The SusanE garmin did not have auto pilot or a radar. Believe me that is you ever run the tr-1/garmin system you will be impressed.
 
How is Garmin's radar compared to Raymarine? I've always been under the impression that Garmin has been playing catchup with radar and that is one of the main reasons that I chose Raymarine on the C-Dory. But if I were to do it all again I'd get Furuno NavNet 3D. Garmin charges to much for the Canadian charts which don't come preloaded like the US ones do.
 
Garmin's Radar is much improved, but not up to Raymarine, and certainly no where near Furuno.

Garmin's lack of long term support is part of why electronics companies don't recomend them for bigg installations. We can get parts and repairs on Furuno radars at least ten years after they stop producing a model, and sometimes longer than that.

Garmin is on the path of introducing a new product line every few years, and making the old one obsolete with no support for them.

Raymarine has been better about supporting old product, but when they make a leap in technology (C / E Series over HSB2) support dried up fairly quickly.

Furuno isn't as sexy a product line up, but it is reliable and long lived.
 
I have heard there is another technology out there, broadband or wideband or something similar. Are any of the leaders now producing this or anywhere near and are the reduced power demands a reality?
 
Navico offers broadband radar under the Simrad, Northstar, and Lowrance brands. Check panbo.com for lots of interesting information on electronics including hands on testing of broadband radar.
 
There have been some problems reported with the TR1/Garmin, and although it has some wonderful fishing features, in general the RayMarine have better pilots. I suspect that the TR1 problems are more with the Garmin interface, than with the Autopilot persay, since this is a mature technology--but again brought into the Garmin stable later in its life.

I have seen some really good pictures on the Garmin Radar (Not operated one personally)--and their High Def is nothing to sneeze at.

I think that all of the radars are going to have some further maturing in the next year or so. Looking at Panbo's most recent tests, the Navco product does not seem to be as good as it first seemed to be. (The issues are, not as good picture at ranges over 3 miles, and marked interference from other radars)--I have said I was going to get a Broad band radar, but have been waiting pending tests--I am still waiting to see what develops in real world--side by side testing.

Incidently if the deal goes through on my "new boat" it will be Furuno technology....
 
D.D. raised the issue of the warranties on Raymarine products and whether they would be honored by Garmin, using the C-Dory example about which we have had so much discussion.

I think there is a much higher prospect for the Raymarine warranties to be honored as there appear to be some fundamental differences between the Raymarine and C-Dory acquisitions in spite of both companies being in some degree of financial difficulty at the time of their acquisitions, presuming that Raymarine does get acquired.

In the case of the 2 recent acquisitions involving C-Dory, it seems that the company was not acquired in either case. The company sold what assets it had -- brand, molds, work in progress, inventory, equipment, etc. The company retained the liabilities including potential warranty claims but there is nothing with which to satisy those liabilities. The new owners of the brand have to make the decision as to whether to honor any warranty claim that people bring to them. On legal grounds, they have no liability but for the protection of the brand, they make provide some level of support.

In the Raymarine situation, by every indication, the entire Raymarine company (the legal entity) is what is being acquired rather than simply the assets of the company. It appears, in the case of Garmin, that this would be a cash offer for the stock of Raymarine. If this is the transaction, then it is the company including all of its assets and all of its liabilities, including future warranty claims that is being acquired. The company continues to exist, perhaps in the short term, as a division of Garmin although eventually, Garmin may restructure itself to assimilate Raymarine. The acquired stock, representing the ownership of Raymarine, will likely be held by a special subsidiary of Garmin created to acquire Raymarine. The reason the Raymarine sale has to proceed in this manner is that there are public shareholders who have rights. Their equity in Raymarine cannot simply be taken. Now, if Raymarine were to declare bankruptcy, then the above analysis may not hold depending on how the bankruptcy process proceeds. I have not seen anything that suggests that Raymarine is contemplating bankruptcy as part of its sale of itself but you never know. The other thing that warrants a mention is that Raymarine is a UK company and the bankruptcy law is quite different in the UK than it is in the US so thinking about a BK in US terms is not useful.

This was the analysis I went through based on my professional experience when purchasing, last Saturday, a Raymarine C90W, A70D, 24 inch 4KW digital radome and heading sensor.

Hope this helps.

Jim
 
Jim,
My post was purely satire in it's worst form. I was just needling a couple left coasters all in fun. I'm sure Garmin will do the right thing.
D.D.
 
D.D.

Understood. The issue of honoring warranties has been the subject of such discussion among us over time that I thought addressing it with respect to the Raymarine situation was importnat, especially given the differences from the C-Dory situation.

Jim
 
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