Purchase of C-Dory 25

megandave

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I am new to C-Dory's. Currently I am looking at a C-Dory 25 with twin Honda 90's. It would be really helpfull if I could get input on how this boat will ride in rough choppy water and if you can troll slow enough with one or both of the 90's. Some of the postings I have seen on other web sites say the hull shape on the C-Dory makes it really rough and noisy in cpoppy water. Other postings say its great in the chop.
Most of my boating and fishing is off shore of the west cooast of Vancouver Island.
Please let me know your thoughts.
 
megandave,

Well we took Journey On to the west coast of Vancouver Island (West Coast of Vancouver Isle ,) but not as fisherman. Beautiful water, great towns, wonderful people. Nootka Bay was the high point.

The flat bottom of a C-Dory slams in chop if you want to go fast. When we went outside the coast line, the deep V's with 300 hp went right by. However, we slowed down and kept going. Remember the name C-Dory means a dory hull, not a deep V. So you're trading the ability to cut through waves for the capability to ride over them with better fuel mileage (at $4/gal.).

We saw saw a lot of Skagit Orcas up there and fewer C-Dories. If you want to see what the professional fishing guides use go to Ucluelet's town dock and look at the offshore boats. Or the C-Doy dealer in Port Alberni. Your choice. The local fisherman inside the sounds used the equivalent of C-Dories, down to 16' skiffs, as you know.

Boris
 
Going into the seas, if they are over 2 feet, you will have to slow down to displacement seas to avoid pounding. However, in two trips--each about a little over a month; the first one from Sequim to the Broughtons, the second one from Prince Rupert to Icey Straits and back--we had to only slow down on two days (out of over 60 days running). Both of those times we fell in behind a trawler or fishing vessel going 8 knots and stayed in the shelter of their wake. Going across seas, or down winds/ seas the C Dory does fine in almost everything you can throw at it. Some one will doubtless post the photos taken off the Oregon coast with breaking seas and C Dories. The boats are very seaworthy and rugged. But for speed into chop--go with a Regulator, contender (deep V of 24 to 26 degree deadrise) or one of the cats.
 
We have a 25 with twin honda 90s and when we first got the boat it behaved exactly as described above. I added a permatrim plate to each motor:

http://www.permatrims.com/

After adding these to the motors, it is like a different boat or at least a longer boat. It steers better and trims the bow down as far and you want expecially with trim tabs in use.

Simply put:

Before- we would throttle down to 7-8 knots if heading into waves over a couple of feet to avoid loud pounding.

After- we can keep motoring at 14-17 knots into waves over 4ft without loud pounding

If travelling with the waves, the going is generally smoother and speeds can be higher. It does not turn the boat into a Skagit Orca but Cindie (wife) noticed the change immediately and she was not at the helm. She would say this was the best addition to the boat becuase she hated the pounding noises.

Greg
 
The C-25 will pound in chop if planed off. The C-25 owners can provide more expert advice on minimizing the pound and how to handle various seas with the hull.

The tradeoff is a 25' boat with a great cabin, light weight, all kinds of space, great fuel economy, relatively small engines required, and a well built boat.
 
There certainly may be differences on how boats with 130 single engine (honda) and twin 90's handle, and the "tolerance" of occupants for amount of pounding. Yes, the Permatrim does allow putting the bow down, and "parting the waves" more with the sharper V of the bow. The price for this, is a wetter ride. A short steep 4 foot sea is certainly beyond what my and my wife's tolerance in the C Dory 25 is, even with a Permatrim (which my boat was equipt with--and I highly recommend). If you want to go with seas of a 20 second peroid--then 4 feet swell is tolerable. When addressing sea state, one considers both height of wave and peroid. Generally when the "Wave" height is addressed it is wind wave and of a shorter and steeper wave. The swell is a longer peroid wave train.
 
Not much swell in the inner Puget Sound so wind waves are what we normally encounter and have the most experience with so you can read my message above with that in mind. I would agree with the wetter ride but it's really only some spashes if the wind is angling across the bow wetting one side of the windshield. Thats what wipers and the wonderful C-dory cabin is for. Cindie is getting pretty comfortable with rising/falling motions in larger wave conditions but if they are beam and causing significant rolling, she gets upset much faster!

Without the improved handling of the permatrims, We may not have kept the boat past the first few months. We keep the boat at the end of a long inlet and seem to always be battling steep wind waves and rip currents on our way back to the marina. It is nice to keep it on plane in those condions. We are not retired yet.

I would also venture a guess that two permatrims (twins) are significantly more effective (larger surface area) at their job than a single even it that single is upsized.
 
As I said in my original post I am new to the C-Dory boating world. I would like to thank all of you who took the time to reply to my questions and help me learn more about the C-Dory. Again thanks for your input.

If someone has experieince trolling with the twin 90's it would be good to hear how it works.
 
While I don't have fishing experience with twin Honda 90's on a 25CD, I do have plenty of experience with twin Honda 40's on a CD 22 and a tiny bit of experience with twin Honda 135's on a TomCat. Bottom line, with one engine at idle in calm winds and no current, you'll probably troll at around 2.3kts maybe a tad less. I usually wind up trolling around 3-4kts (especially for coho) so trolling on one engine is no problem at all. In the rare cases where one may want to troll at a slower speed (say for sockeye in a lake), a drift sock, sea anchor or even a couple of 5 gal. buckets tied off to the midships cleats will slow you down enough.

I've spent a lot of time trolling W of Neah Bay (from Cape Alava to the S to Swiftsure to the N and as far west as Blue Dot). The condition there should be similar to what you'll see west off of Vancouver Island. In my 22, I'd be able to go out at 14-22kts if the wind chop was less than say a foot or so. Once the chop was up to about 2 ft, I'd be around 8-12kts and above that, maybe as low as 6-8kts. Keeping the bow low does help one plow through waves but if you're going fast enough to get any air under the hull when going over a wave, you'll really notice how hard a nearly flat bottom boat hits the water on it's way down. A deep V is for sure nicer in that case but that case can be avoided by slowing down.

As others have pointed out, the upside of the nearly flat hull is great fuel mileage - about 2x what you'll get in a comparable size/weight deep V. Also, the C-Dory will get up on plane at much lower speeds - 12-14kts depending on whether you have perma trims or trim tabs. This gives you a much broader choice of operating speeds relative to a deep V (which often can go either hull speed or fairly high planing speed but which don't operate well in the gap). Also as Dr. Bob points out, the C-Dory hull is particularly nice in following seas as large swells/waves simply roll under the hull as oppose to creating a broaching problem.

In my experience there are really no conditions in which a C-Dory can't handle the water as well or better than a comparably sized deep V. You may not get there as fast as some deep V's but you'll be as safe as any other boat and you'll burn less fuel than most. In some (rarer) conditions, you may have an advantage in a C-Dory due to the relatively low planing speed. I've been as far as 30 miles off shore in my CD 22 and regularly took it 8-15 miles off shore in the summer time. The CD will serve you well for salmon fishing. If you have any specific questions feel free to send me a PM. If you want to talk over the phone, PM your phone number.
 
megandave,

Just for your consideration.

We have two seasons under our belt with our CD25. We run with a Honda BF150 main & 9.9 kicker. While there's a lot to be said for twins, we've never had a problem with the mains on either our 16' or 25' Cruisers. If electrics go down, the kicker can be hand started & get you home at displacement speed. Trolling a lot also lends to using the kicker. It can save a lot of hours running on the main.

When searching for our C-Dories, I was convinced that I needed twins. No more.

Good luck on your quest & enjoy!
 
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