Pre -purchase questions for 21-EC ?

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If you really want speed, stick a Jato pack on the back and light it off.

Seriously--the boat is what it is. If you want more speed, then buy a different boat. Putting an outboard in a well, in the center of the boat can be done, but I doubt that you will be happy with it. Same for two 20 hp outboards--that means you have two types of fuel, more weight etc.

If you keep the Tug 21 light in weight, then you will get more speed. Changing the prop will not give more speed, if boat has the correct prop--but it can cause more rapid wear on the engine. Running constantly at close to WOt speeds will also cause more engine wire.

There are other boats which have about the same facilities, or more--and will cruise at faster speeds and still have the character look. Plus being used, they will be less in cost.
 
Bob is right the boat is what it is and only goes so fast and not faster.
Changing the prop will produce lots of black smoke and mess up the
smog parts of the motor and the oil will get thin and wear the bearings
at a rapid pace. At higher rpms it will wear more. Put a stack on a CD22
and go as fast as you need to. The 21ec is a 5 to 7 kt boat and with the
right conditions and operator can go faster but likes that speed. When
there is a Trawlerfest in your area you may find something faster with
the same looks. Hungry boat dealers may even take you out for a spin.
Bob Heselberg Eatonville Wa
 
What part of me saying i can deal with the speed don't you guys get . How many times am i giong to get the same lecture, The factory claims 12-13 mph 10 cruise . I just want to see if anyone can verify that.

We can argue the prop thing all day but disagree , pretty sure it could be propped a bit faster only talking 1 to 3 mph on the top.When i see one of you guys passing me at around 100+ I'll shut -up on that one.

I said it before and i'll say it again i own more than one yanmar & my smallest yanmar-3TNE74 , has almost 2 grand of abuse on it ,and runs WOT all the time , it lives on the pump limiter and luvs it. if it blows up tomorrow thats fine with me , but shows no sign of it.

thanks for the help , hpoe i still get more

john
 
k7 , I know it might seem silly to want to buy a boat for the way it looks but i guess thats one of the main reasons i am.

Don't take it wrong but THERE IS a few c-dorys running around the bay here and i've paid attention to them last year because of this site , to be honset with you from a comfort piont of view ,the few i've seen running in the chop look like they would rattle my teeth out from the pounding and loud smacks they make upon re-entry & seem typical of other sized boats with simillar flat bottoms, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THE BOAT WON'T TAKE IT.

I like them believe it or not just not the toy for me , I think they look ugly almost like someone squished it too hard, from the roof down.

This is just my opinion probably not making any friends like that but just bieng honest , I't doesn't bother me , in fact i like it when people say what they think , hope every one sees it that way I do not mean to offend anyone or thier boats . JUST AN OPINION., Hope were all thick skinned enough to hear the truth , it shouldn't bother anyone -should it ?

john
 
IT-SEA-BIT-C":3ol6hwuk said:
This is just my opinion probably not making any friends like that but just bieng honest , I't doesn't bother me , in fact i like it when people say what they think , hope every one sees it that way I do not mean to offend anyone or thier boats . JUST AN OPINION., Hope were all thick skinned enough to hear the truth , it shouldn't bother anyone -should it ?

Thank you, John, for sharing your OPINION. It's a valuable contribution to the discourse of this site, and speaking in much more general terms than about this particular thread, I lament the unfortunate trend toward shutting down anyone who ventures an opinion on a topic, whether it be boats or guns or dogs or the price of gas in China. IMNSHO, the thought police are a greater danger to the long-term health of the site than those who post contrarian points of view.

Warren
 
Starting to get that sinking feeling again .
How fast can your 21 tug go wide open ?

BTW did i mention how beautiful C-DORYS are ! :lol: :shock: :beer :cocktail :lol: :beer :lol:
 
Come on guys , can you just give me the top speed of the 21 tug ?
I know more than two of you out there have them , was it the C- DORY comment ? If it was Ipromise to never post again if I can get a few simple questions answered !

Maybe this has something to with theory after endless research of no information on RANGER - 21 EC , beyond mis information from the factory about the boats top speed.

HOW CAN A BOAT BE AROUND FOR 50 YEARS AND NEVER HAVE MAGAZINE TEST ON IT ? (performance-wise)

Unless you want to count a article about three guys who went to Alaska , and really only talk about thier trip , hardly no info on boat performance , handeling etc. ??? Was a good article about the trip , but does not pertain to the boats really.


thanks john, The C-DORY is one handsome vessel :roll: :lol:
 
Hi John,

You seem to be having a real time trying to get the information you want. Having heard from the two who did respond (and it wasn't the numbers you were hoping for), leads me to think you may have reached the limit of potential research that can be gleaned here. Sounds like you need to take the next step: get out on one of these boats to determine if it will do what you want.

When we were in the search for our boat, finding a C-Dory to even look at in deep south Texas didn't pan out. Jeff Messmer (then at the C-Dory factory) said, "You need to come to where the boats are..." He was right; three days later, we were on a plane to go to the Seattle Boat Show... where we were able to see, get a ride on one, and buy.

Ranger has been in business for a long time, but I don't think that translates to the kind of numbers that C-Dory has produced over the years. I would guess there are just not a lot of Ranger Tug 21 owners here on this site. (After all, it IS a C-Dory owners group, and only with the premise of the C-Ranger 25 Tug joint venture about 2 years ago did the tug folks show up here). Don't get me wrong - I enjoy the perspective of the tug folks here; admire their boats. But, if a Ranger tug owner has had their boat more than two years, they likely don't even know this site exists. I did a Google search with "Ranger Tug 21" and came up with 123,000 possibles. Sure, a lot of those are going to be fruitless, but you MAY find more info. In all probablility, you will find that the results of other owners WILL be about the same as the two responses you got here.

This is just my two pesos opinion (yours free, today only), and is not meant to be pointed. You have asked questions, you have gotten answers. The boat just doesn't do what you want it to do. You can ask more people, but the answers really aren't going to change. That neat little boat was designed for a purpose, but going fast isn't that purpose. Unlike the go-fast boats that you have run, you can't just shove in more horse power and expect to see similar results - it's a relatively short waterline and a hull not made for planing - that's not bad, it's just what it IS. You could hang more motors on the back, make the boat goofy-looking (in my singular opinion), make more noise with it, burn more fuel (and two different types of fuel), complicate the whole boating experience, and it just isn't going to go a LOT faster.

We all get it: you like the looks of this boat. And if that's reason enough for you to want to buy it, that's the only reason you need. There are plenty of people who own more than one boat - different boats for different missions. The solution to your dilemma is pretty easy - TWO BOATS... the Ranger Tug for the looks and efficiency, and a go-fast boat that will run the speed you want, when you want, without a lot of inefficient modifications.

You don't buy a race horse to use as a pack mule... and you can't expect a pack mule to ever win the Kentucky Derby. That doesn't make either animal a bad choice - as long as you make the right choice for the mission.

The owners who participate here have generously shared their experiences with you. If they don't want their boats to go faster, accept that they have a different mission for their boats than you. If the boat doesn't go as fast as you want, asking more people won't make it go faster.

There is yet another option - go to a marine architect and have them design and build a boat that looks similar, but with a different hull design that will go faster. You CAN have exactly what you want, if your budget and patience can handle it. Don't expect an MA to cut you a deal with the idea that he can sell the plans to others... this truly sounds like the answer to a question that no one else has asked. (Much like the general reaction to the C-Dory 29 :crook )

I was told what to expect the weight of my boat to be... the manufacturer missed it by almost a TON. I knew what to really expect when other owners shared their experiences with me. I tend NOT to believe advertising HYPE until I have seen real world verification. Forget what you've read about the speed of the 21 - unless it's from other owners. Even if boat magazines had run their own tests (and I've never seen an issue of "Fast Small Tugs Monthly"), that would be on a lightly loaded, partially fueled, perfect water conditions, no adverse wind situation... good luck EVER duplicating that.

Sometimes you can get exactly what you want in this world. Sometimes you have to make compromises. Sometimes you need to accept that some things are just NOT going to happen, no matter how much you'd like them to. (Hey, I'd like to win the lottery, but that's NOT going to happen, because I don't buy tickets :mrgreen: ) Feel free to consider this post a smack upside the head... you coulda bought a V-8. :wink:

Dreams and goals are important, as is being realistic. It's not realistic to think that a production manufacturer will want to make a one-off boat. It's not realistic to believe that lots of other people want what you want - especially when there's been no evidence of that here. It's not realistic to believe that reasonable horsepower will overcome a hull design. It's not realistic to believe that fuel prices will come down enough to make a higher fuel burn a more desirable trait in any design.

No intent to burst your bubble, just hope to expand your options with some real world observations. And that's the end of my free opinions on this subject.

Good luck with your search.

Best wishes,
Jim B. (with a little too much time on my hands this morning)

PS - You may come up with a design that will make you a small fortune in the boat biz... you do know how to make a small fortune in the boat biz, don't you? Yeah, start with a big fortune.
 
i can't answer any of your questions, so, you ask, why post? well,
there is a ranger 21 tug located at our four season marina, here in cincinnati.. so, this is what i can tell you, don't buy this boat unless you're willing to spend a lot of time explaining it's features to everyone that passes by it. this boat draws more attention than a half clothed britney spears, than a janet jackson super bowl xxxv111 wardrobe malfunction, ( for my good friend byrdman, www.janetjacksonflash.com), than a fallen wilderbeast surrendered by a pack of crazed hyenas, than the last cold bottle of beer at a c-brat convention, well, you get the point!
have fun and enjoy the new fame this boat will bring you.
best regards
pat
 
There is a boat which is very similar in look and but a bit longer (28 feet) than the Ranger 21 tug. It is Down East/ semi dory, but with different characteristics than the C Dory line. They come with 65 hp (8 knots), up to 200 Hp (24 knots) Diesel inboards. One crossed the Atlantic under its own power--but this one used an outboard. I have seen one where the wheel house was extended and enclosed. The boat I was on, had a nice galley below. I have spent time underway on these boats. They are a bit wet, but very effecient and smooth running. It would take less work to make one look like a Ranger 21, than repowering.

Here is one of the two that are for sale on YachtWold.com:

http://tinyurl.com/3yg6v6

This thread has well over 300 entries on the Grover 28's, including some information and a photo of the Atlantic crossing.

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewT ... c_ID=12009

My understanding of the early Ranger Tugs is that they all had small engines--some as low as 8 hp. The larger engine is a recent developement.
 
Sorry about the frustration regarding lack of response, but I have to admit I don't have a clue about how fast my boat will go. There is no speedometer and the GPS registers the same speed regardless of RPM's. I have to agree that the real sweet spot for my boat is that same 2400 RPM as mentioned earlier. I bought my boat for looks and economy and it delivers beautifully on both counts. I wish I could answer your question definitively, but don't have an accurate way to respond.
 
It c bit c,

I think I have been in the same spot as you in the past, and even now to a degree: I love the look of those little tugs, the inboard diesel, the rounded stern...

However... you can tell by just looking at the hull that is mainly a displacement hull with very little planing shape to the hull. Everyone I have spoken to who test drove one of th 21 tugs related that they loved the ride, esp. in moderately rough chop, but that the slowness eats away at you unless you are locked into it. With the outrageous fuel prices nowadays, I could see some ppl loving that little boat, but I needed one that could get me out off the lake fast if severe MidWestern thunder storms/ tornados, etc. were threatening.

I bought a TomCat 255 and most frequently use it going very slow on autopilot. That is very relaxing and I can draw, photograph, daydream, etc., at that speed. I changed my initial order for the TomCat to a 25 Tug, then changed back, but I have never regretted getting the larger boat, capable of higher speeds when necessary.

I still think about getting a 21 EC for a second boat when I see a good used price on one! I still feel the 'tug' of that tug design!

Good luck,
John
 
drjohn71a":16udzxx3 said:
I still think about getting a 21 EC for a second boat when I see a good used price on one! I still feel the 'tug' of that tug design!

For us, I am thinking of one for the Golden Years, when we are no longer trailering or voyaging hither and yon. Perfect for puttering around the islands.

Warren
 
As a contributing member of this community , Ill tell you that you wont be able to "extended cruise" at 10 MPH with your stuff and people on board .The warmer the water and air , the slower it goes . It may not be the right boat for you . I clocked one by GPS [SOG,nil current] with air conditioning [more weight] 3 adults and a child with full fuel last weekend in Panama City FL at 7.9 KTS wide open . Six Knots is a good cruise speed for this boat .
Marc
 
Thanks for the smack in the head I needed that WILD BLUE. If you brats can put up with me ( bieng probably the biggest pain in the ass on the site ) the least I can do is thank you all for the info , appreciate the help and you didn't waste your time.

I;m keeping an eye on the weather, soon as it gets windy I MEAN GOOD AND WINDY ,I'm heading to the dealer near me (120 mi. away ) they said no problem . bringing two handhelds to check the MPH., and if I like it i'm gonna drop my dep. Keep ya posted.

Can't wait to get on the water next weekend , something about a nice relaxing slow criuse at around 80 MPH. , to get rid of the winter blues and calm the soul. :thup
John
 
I just don't understand all this concern about mph. I know that people buy boats for different reasons, but if you're looking at one that goes 7 or 11, your intentions cannot possibly be to run 50 miles offshore to do some halibut fishing. If that's what you're looking for, any of our C-Brats will tell you the C-Dory is up to the task. Then buy a C-Dory, or some other speed-capable boat.

We bought a Ranger Tug because our enjoyment at this stage of our lives is to easily trailer a pocket cruiser to "friendly" waters and enjoy the scenery and TIME on the water. If we spend four hours slow-cruising on the water, we've traveled about 28 miles. I don't know about the rest of you, but we usually cruise for 30 minutes to an hour, then stop to enjoy the quiet solitude, read a book, have lunch, drinks, etc. If we log four hours underway in a day, we've had a GREAT time and are totally relaxed when we return home.

If it's on a longer "stay-on-the-boat" trip, it seems like that four hours underway still is a good average for us. We only consume about two gallons of diesel in any typical day on the water for a total cost of about 8 bucks. We'll match our fpm with anyone! (fun per mile)

Did the boats who flew past us have a better time? Perhaps they think they did. Everyone justifies their choices. But that's not what we bought our boat for. We find that we're traveling at about the same speed as the big Krogen-like cruisers. Think about it......we're doing the exact same thing on our pocket cruiser as they're doing on their half-million dollar or more yachts at a fraction of the cost. It's the Thurston Howell owners of these palaces on water that are always coming over to admire OUR boat.

If you're in an area where weather is going to descend upon you so fast and furious that you must have speed to outrun the storm, you must boat differently than we do. We don't go out when weather is bad, we pay careful attention to the weather forecast and we're always just a few miles from some safe cove or other "survivable" locale. Truth be told, how often are you REALLY scrambling to escape the perfect storm?

In summary, whether our boat goes 7 or 11 miles an hour doesn't make a hill of beans to us. Just remember......
The faster you go, the sooner your journey ends.
 
Tugger ,

I hear ya loud and clear ! But like I was tryn to say was, it would be nice to cruise a pinch faster so i wouldn't have to trailer around my local stomping grounds , the difference between 6-7 or 10 mph would make a huge difference . if i wanted to take a slow cruise around manhattan it's about 70+ miles round trip.

It is a difference of 11-12 hours vs 7-8 hours and lets not forget about running against the tide THATS ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY it would be nice and i still say it's doable .

It is what it is ..... and i still luv it, and i'll live with the speed , now just hope she can hadle the regular 2-3 foot chop and bow into the huge wakes ok :shock: :lol:

THANK - YOU BRATS! your the best! take most of my posts with a grain of salt please i know they come out a little offensive and i don't mean anything by it, tuff for me to type one finger and one button at a time , i'm better at running my gums if you know what i mean + my spellings usually as good as a 2nd grader yea i'm a mess :lol: sorry if i wreck the site a bit i dont want to, cause this one is top notch all the way , but then again you all know that :thup :lol: happy & safe boating SPIOLED BRATS!! :lol: oop's almost forgot WHERE'S THE PICTURES - TUGGER. i look forward to them, don't forget you have fans now :shock: Tugger has reached celeb status! :lol:
john
 
from past experience in sailing and powering sailcraft against tides, I'd advise against a 6-8 mph craft where you could encounter tides of similar or slightly less speed.

I spent hours trying to pass back into St Andrews Bay in Panama City once while bucking an 8 mph outbound current!

Buy a faster boat and go slow most of the time, then speed up when you must...

John
 
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