Powering a '25; How much?
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Captains Cat
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I've never seen a 25 with less than a 130 single on it. Marc at Wefings had one with a 90 I think, I'll let him chime in but if it were me, I'd put at least a 130 if not a 150 on it.
Charlie
Charlie
It depends on your load and intended use.
We have a Suzuki 140 on ours and with full fuel, water, five people and gear it is underpowered. With two people, 1/2 fuel and less gear its great.
Personally I would power with a Suzuki 200, less weight than the Yamaha or Honda and way less weight and expense then twins on the stern. I can't think of a situation where you would regret having more power.
Eds Marine Superstore has a Suzuki 200 new for 11k, a Suzuki 140 is 8k
Eric
We have a Suzuki 140 on ours and with full fuel, water, five people and gear it is underpowered. With two people, 1/2 fuel and less gear its great.
Personally I would power with a Suzuki 200, less weight than the Yamaha or Honda and way less weight and expense then twins on the stern. I can't think of a situation where you would regret having more power.
Eds Marine Superstore has a Suzuki 200 new for 11k, a Suzuki 140 is 8k
Eric
the minimum would be a 150 otherwise your resale would be hurt . We bought a c-22 with a honda 50 way underpowered .we upgraded to a suzuki 90 . bite the bullitt and buy the 150 then throttle back and get better economy then a 90-130 I think thataway will chime in here he has a honda 130 I think he said it was underpowered thats my 2 cents . Jim on Jennykatz cc-23 with f115
I ran Shearwater for 8 years with a 115 Yamaha 2-stroke and there are a number of 25's with 130 Hondas. The 115 hp did everything I wanted but it was underpowered. The 130/135 is about as small as you would want to go with a four stroke.
Cost depends on East/West coast couple grand cheaper in the East.
Basic rigging will be around $1500
Ed's has the lowest prices around but there are limitations with this, like the motor must be shipped to a local dealer.
They are a good point of reference for pricing just add about $2500 if you live on the West coast.
I went with a 200 E-tec, mpg looks to be close to the 150 powerd boats plenty of power and lots of money...
stevej
Cost depends on East/West coast couple grand cheaper in the East.
Basic rigging will be around $1500
Ed's has the lowest prices around but there are limitations with this, like the motor must be shipped to a local dealer.
They are a good point of reference for pricing just add about $2500 if you live on the West coast.
I went with a 200 E-tec, mpg looks to be close to the 150 powerd boats plenty of power and lots of money...
stevej
Ok the chimes are ringing . First of ll to say please don't let Ed's ads deceive you .They are not real . They will drop it in another dealer's back yard [if they have it] and that dealer will punish you for saving the money .They are a commodities broker , and they know they most likely wont ever see you again . C Brats need to be smarter than that .Ill make it easy . Look em up on the BBB site. BTW, you cant fix em in your garage anymore .......
Second , don't do it from one old surfer to another , get a 150 . At least . Even though I like to go fast when I want to , unless its a 2 stroke I would stick with a 150 4 cyl. Or my favorite the 175 Suzuki .But you need to buy what you can get serviced . Any 150 will be good if you have confidence with the dealer . Its like oatmeal with a 25 C Dory . Its just the right thing to do .There are not bad motors .Buy service.
Marc
Second , don't do it from one old surfer to another , get a 150 . At least . Even though I like to go fast when I want to , unless its a 2 stroke I would stick with a 150 4 cyl. Or my favorite the 175 Suzuki .But you need to buy what you can get serviced . Any 150 will be good if you have confidence with the dealer . Its like oatmeal with a 25 C Dory . Its just the right thing to do .There are not bad motors .Buy service.
Marc
My '03 25 has a Honda 130. Great motor, quiet running, reliable, starts easily, economical. I think it'll run another 5-10 years so I have no reason to repower. In most conditions it is plenty of power. I usually run between 14-16 knots, the boat is on plane and and running easily.
However, if I were putting a new outboard on a 25 today, I would probably go with the small block 200 hp E-tech. It weighs slightly less than my 130 and you get the extra power at no reduction in economy. Occasionally when running into a current with full fuel and water tanks and packed for travel the extra power would come in handy.
Lyle
However, if I were putting a new outboard on a 25 today, I would probably go with the small block 200 hp E-tech. It weighs slightly less than my 130 and you get the extra power at no reduction in economy. Occasionally when running into a current with full fuel and water tanks and packed for travel the extra power would come in handy.
Lyle
I have twin Yamaha 80's, for me a perfect match. Top speed light is about 30 mph, loaded about 22-24. I consistently get 2.2-2.8 nmpg, avg 2.5. This weekend I'll have 4 adults and 2 children on board for an overnight 60 nm round trip in open ocean. In 2 weeks, 3 divers + gear and a 4th adult for a week at Catalina.
I'm satisfied with my boat's performance quite well in all conditions. 160hp of twins might be different than an equivalent 160hp single though.
I'm satisfied with my boat's performance quite well in all conditions. 160hp of twins might be different than an equivalent 160hp single though.
Frequent Sea has a 130 Honda (the 135's are in fact a considerably more powerful engine==down scaled 150, vs the 130 an upscaled 115). At first I felt it was way under powered--and it definately was at Lake Powell with the prop it has (13.25 x 13 4 blade highly cupped SS).
After putting on the Permatrim, I find that I cruise at 15 knots, and can make up to 20 knots (WOT) at sea level fully loaded. As Bess C--I feel that the 130 is a good engine, and would not replace it, but if buying a new engine would go with a 175 Suzuki or a 200 E tec. We have adapted well to the 15 knot cruise--and would consider anything under 130 hp a displacement speed (max 8 knots).
I also second Marc's comment about Ed's super store prices. Yes they are published prices, but go to "The Hull Truth" to see people's experience with that dealer. It is variable, but don't plan on getting the engine for 11K! Consider that rigging, guages, linkages are all additional--and the price will then become more realistic.
After putting on the Permatrim, I find that I cruise at 15 knots, and can make up to 20 knots (WOT) at sea level fully loaded. As Bess C--I feel that the 130 is a good engine, and would not replace it, but if buying a new engine would go with a 175 Suzuki or a 200 E tec. We have adapted well to the 15 knot cruise--and would consider anything under 130 hp a displacement speed (max 8 knots).
I also second Marc's comment about Ed's super store prices. Yes they are published prices, but go to "The Hull Truth" to see people's experience with that dealer. It is variable, but don't plan on getting the engine for 11K! Consider that rigging, guages, linkages are all additional--and the price will then become more realistic.
Simplicity
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I agree that at least a 150 would be better.We have a 135 Honda on our 23 CC and I believe the 25 is quite a bit heavier. As much as I like the Honda motor I don't recommend getting one if you plan on doing any cruising for an extended period of time.In our travels we've found far fewer Honda authorized service people and a number have also stopped servicing them.not sure why but it's been the case. Still it's a sweet running motor.
Pat Anderson
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So time for a post or two before I head back in to the eye doctor this morning! A lot of good advice here I think, especially from Marc. There are no bad motors, you probably don't want to rig a new motor yourself, and you should be thinking first about maintenance and repair over the long term, especially if you encounter a warranty problem. Second, the motor will only burn as much fuel as the work you are making it do, so a 130/150 at trawler speed is pretty darn economical. And you also have the ability to scoot to get there before dark, beat the storm out, go through Malibu rapids at full flood, or whatever. We have the Honda BF150 and have never felt underpowered. But Lyle's thought on the E-tec 200 is really intriguing!
Although "home service" may be important on a new engine. I would not discount any brand (especially Honda) because of a peception that there are not many service facilities. The 4 stroke engines are so reliable, that major problems are rare indeed. You want to learn to do routine service yourself--both for saving $$ and for the ability of repairing common problems (fuel filters, impellers, thermostats etc).
The brand of outboard which is sold in any one specific area at any one time is related to many factors, which may change with time. For example I had owned most OMC (Evinrude Johson) outboards for most of my life. However a few years ago, I had a relitatively minor problem with a 1996 90 hp Evinrude, and had major difficulty finding a mechanic to work on it. This was because Evinrude now restricts the computer programs for the engines to dealers who sell the engines--and many dealerships had lost the brand because they were not able to sell the entire line of engines (including the low hp, low profit engines).
We are cruised over most of the world, (including all parts of the US) with various brands of outboards and were always able to find outboard parts and repairs.
The brand of outboard which is sold in any one specific area at any one time is related to many factors, which may change with time. For example I had owned most OMC (Evinrude Johson) outboards for most of my life. However a few years ago, I had a relitatively minor problem with a 1996 90 hp Evinrude, and had major difficulty finding a mechanic to work on it. This was because Evinrude now restricts the computer programs for the engines to dealers who sell the engines--and many dealerships had lost the brand because they were not able to sell the entire line of engines (including the low hp, low profit engines).
We are cruised over most of the world, (including all parts of the US) with various brands of outboards and were always able to find outboard parts and repairs.
Then Bob, why not buy the commodity priced engine. They are very reliable, the warranty is from the manufacturer, not the dealer. We are a mobile group, I live in Oregon, my family and I took our boat up the Hudson through the Erie Canal, up the Trent Severn to the Georgian Bay this Summer. My wife and I will take the boat from Big Chute through the Georgian Bay and North Channel to Mackinaw City in September. The Suzuki dealer here in Southern Oregon is my friend but he didn't sell me the boat or engine, we bought it new in Seattle rigged and at an irresistable price, but he was more than happy to help me get the boat ready for our trip.
If we decide to repower from our Suzuki 140 to a Suzuki 200 price will be the deciding factor.
Best
Eric
If we decide to repower from our Suzuki 140 to a Suzuki 200 price will be the deciding factor.
Best
Eric