Pit Bull ATTACK

Westward,
Several of have mentioned Bear spray. It most likely will work. The Cannister I own is large. It also has a dye in the spray. Apparently there are some times that it will not work, but worth trying. I carry it when hiking--but am much more likely to have either CS or a weapon near home. I see some folks carry golf clubs, others baseball bats (not in our neighborhood, but in others.
 
Bear spray is pepper spray/oc spray (from "Oleoresin Capsicum" the active chili pepper oil that produces the heat etc) . Check the concentration (get the highest possible) and shake it well before you leave home to mix the contents. Usually, USUALLY, it works on dogs. You'll want to spray them square in the face; you want the nose, mouth & eyes to get a good dosing.

In that story I told above about the three pits cornering the worker; the two smaller pits retreated when I hit them w/ the OC. The large male just sneezed and got MORE aggressive. :x I nearly shot it before the owner came out of the house and grabbed it.
 
kevrangray":yvn5np0l said:
If people are going to own these animals it should be "Mandatory" that they carry some kind of insurance.
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Genally, you're asking irresponsible people to somehow become responsible. The responsible owners don't allow their dogs to act like this nor run freely.
 
What bothers me the most is when you hear pitbull owners say things like, oh my dog would never harm a fly, it is so good, it's harmless. I once witnessed one Of my friends Pitbulls kill two Irish setters out at a campsite, angus as he was named would never hurt a fly as we were told he is so good with kids and he never gets aggressive so we were told. Ya right up to the point when angus killed both of these dogs right in front of me the dogs owners and a few other campers. We even tried kicking and beating angus to make him stop but it only made things worse. These beasts are called pit bulls for a reason!
 
About the sprays. I used to do a ton a field work usually in the most remote corners of the county and would encounter dogs regularly as I had to approach properties all day long. I used one spray product regularly and it worked about 90% of the time. Here it is:

http://www.amazon.com/Halt-Dog-Repellen ... B000E4Q7BS

We eventually switched to the electronic dazer and it had about the same level of effectiveness without the need to aim it so precisely or the possibility of running low on spray quickly when faced with multiple dogs. It could also be used more proactively which was nice.

http://www.amazon.com/DAZER-II-Ultrason ... _ai_ps_t_1

For the really bad ones, The nature of the work meant I always had a 6ft aluminum pole with a sharp bronze tip in hand and it was very effective when I needed it. It actually worked best as a movable barrier between me and the dogs head than as a weapon for swinging and it had enough heft and girth (1.25inch) to be a hard thing to bite around.

My breed experience was similar to others with pit bulls and rots being the most frequent on the bad list but there were some little guys as well.

A little dog getting viscous was always a bit humerous but exciting and easy to get over while the big dogs were always actually scary on top of it all.
 
Not to continue this thread needlessly long - I thought some of the 'Brats might find a wrap-up to this story interesting.

I've spent some time the past few days trying to check-out my options.

(1) ARS 11-1014 permits police agencies to take a dog bite case to a Justice of the Peace and seek a destruction order. Yavapai County Sheriff's Office (YCSO) is not willing to do that because the animals didn't have a "history" of attacks. (The fact that YCSO didn't bother to investigate where the puppies were from didn't come up until I asked the Animal Control Supervisor that questionthis morning. She's going to "...get back to me on that." Oops.) Late Update: The supervisor did call me back, and the dogs have been in this area for three years, with no previous problem; so I actually do feel somewhat better.

(2) The severity of my injuries evidently didn't warrant YCSO seeking a destruction order. (My hospital bill was only a tad over $1600.) True I suppose, and my leg bites seem to be healing rather well.

(3) Being blocked at every turn, I finally relented and asked the deputy to proceed with citations. He agreed to the citation, and I suggested one for each dog. He eventually wrote three citations for "Dog at Large." That's the same ticket YCSO gives for not having your Pekinese or LhasaApso on a leash; evidently bites and attacks are free..

(4) I asked the deputy to make the tickets "mandatory appearance" (before a JP), but he couldn't/wouldn't do that. If it was a mandatory appearance in Justice Court I could at least be present to articulate my side of the case. It sounded like the dog owner agreed to the "Dog at Large" tickets during a phone conversation. The deputy wrote her three tickets, and I have no doubt the tickets will be totally ignored since the puppies will be going to their new home in Bakersfield (CA) moments after they're released from quarantine on Friday (6/17). If nothing else, this represent a masterful example of kicking-the-can-down-the-Road. I may send a copy of the YCSO incident report and my Victim Statement to Bakersfield just for grins.

(5) Back on the day of the attack, the deputy didn't find it necessary to procure the names/addresses of any witnesses or ask me for a Victim Statement "...since the dog caretaker didn't contest the fact they were At Large." This has got to be one of the fastest case "closures" on record; by all means avoid paperwork!

(6) And finally, since I have no standing before the Court I am advised that I cannot proceed without a personal attorney, and then only civilly. (With some other major issues going on in my life at this time, I can't really take the time or effort to do that.) ...but I have bounced the issue (and my unsolicited Victim Statement) over to the County Attorney in Prescott. ...not that they'll do anything, but at least I took one more final swing at the ball.

Although I worked as a sworn officer/special agent mostly in the federal LE sector for slightly over thirty years; I have (regrettably) had to reconsider some of my thoughts on abilities of the local constabulary. Sad.

The bottom line My Friends, is that in many situations - don't count on much assistance from the public sector - we're largely on our Own.

Casey
 
had your attack occurred in ohio, and you went to the hospital for care, gave your hospitalization insurance info to the hospital, received your care and left, the hospital would have invoiced your insurance carrier, your insurance carrier would paid for your service as per your contract, then your insurance carrier would notified the dogs owner that they are responsible to reimburse the insurance carrier for the invoice they paid. the dogs owner would then either pay the bill or submit the loss to their homeowners insurance carrier. now then the homeowners insurance carrier would be require to investigate the loss and are equally require to inform the claimant, that would be you, that you are entitled to compensation for your pain and suffering, at that point you then negotiate for an agreed amount, they then write you a check.
i believe you should ask for what is yours! if you loaned me $10. and i refused to repay you, i think you would demand payment. same holds true regarding this dog bite.
ok, just my opinion.
good luck
pat
 
Casey, did the dog owners at least PAY for your hospital bill? If not, I believe you should take legal action of some kind. Small Claims Court perhaps?

Glad you're OK.

Charlie
 
Casey":2ixlpnds said:
Although I worked as a sworn officer/special agent mostly in the federal LE sector for slightly over thirty years; I have (regrettably) had to reconsider some of my thoughts on abilities of the local constabulary. Sad.

The bottom line My Friends, is that in many situations - don't count on much assistance from the public sector - we're largely on our Own.

Casey
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Well Casey, it certainly adds more ammunition to the rational of why many of us have felt this way most of our lives. Think most likely those whom don't will only have their minds changed when someone they really care for or themselves pay the price and afterwards realizes in many life preservation issues self sufficiency is the best first line of defense in preservation of loved ones or ourselves.

Some of us are more naturally inclined to this behavior and then have been enhanced by training, but I believe most all could be better served by taking classes in self defense including fire arms training.

My envolvement with law enforcement which included graduating from the first class of the Mendocino County, Calif Sherifs Academy in 1973 and then working as a reserve deputy only pressed upon me further the knowledge that depending on them or any other similar agency was useless when a life threatening situation was envolved where response time for what ever reason prevented help when needed.

Sure glad to hear your healing up. Your darn sure a tough one to put or keep down in any manner.

Best to you,

Jay

On edit, I will add if while you were Chief Ranger at Katmai, Alaska and a bear had bitten someone visiting the Park you would most likely have to had put it down. Seems our "rights" have gone to the dogs no matter how ill behaved.
 
Pat, Jay, and All,

To a large extent what you described is already inthe works. The dog owner/caretaker was only too anxious to take care of my medical expenses ...Hmmm. (She told me she didn't want it on her homeowner's insurance. Stupid statement ... [to me] while I'm standing there bleeding!)

I didn't want it all to simply go-away with them writing a check to the hospital in Cottonwood (AZ), but DID want my health insurance (TriCare, and at 65 very soon TriCare For Life) to be onboard in the event something comes up down the road. Yesterday I faxed the form (Form DD-2527 if anyone's interested...) to the TriCare 3rd Party Recovery Department. And backed-up the FAX with a call this morning.

If nothing else I've turned my own government-bureaucratic-financial-recovery-hounds on to them. I figure the bureaucrat's will wear them down if nothing else.

...and I really appreciate everyone's interest and warm support, but we need to get back to boating-stuff.

CASE CLOSED (I hope.)

Casey
 
I don't know the all legality of the various sprays in states like California. But some states have restrictions on the concentration and amount of repellant. However, in reading all of the reveiws (not just the positive ones), I would put my trust on one of the bear sprays before I would use "halt" or Dazer II. I know that the bear spray will shoot at least 15 feet--The concentration of the Oleoresin capsaicum is considerably higher.
 
hi casey,
your last statement was, "we need to get back to boating-stuff".
well, i think subjects like this are a refreshing change from 24/7 boating stuff. boating and boating stuff is our passion but even so, it tends to get old when that's all we chat about.
now, what is important is that we rally around one of our own when we feel he or she has a problem, regardless of the nature of the problem.
i for one am glad you shared this experience with us and would highly encourage all c-brats to do so as well.
what keeps me coming back to this site is the opportunity to share ideas and experiences with friends, not necessarily to learn more about boating or boats!
best regards
pat
 
This just happened in Hawthorne a 74 year old man was attacked by a pit bull and it chewed one arm completely off and nearly chewed off the second arm. http://www.news4jax.com/news/28199614/detail.html

Hed was probably a gentle dog and would never hurt anyone. I'm sorry but I treat all pit bulls like they are getting ready to attack me. My neighbor has three behind a chain link fence. When (and I say when because they will get out) they come in my yard they are going down!
 
Casey – glad to hear you are doing OK. I would say you are still alive because of your skills and mental attitude, more than it was luck that you survived.

Unlike people, a dog is hard to track by the police. Often an aggressive dog is given to someone else after it has attacked a person, so when it attacks someone else the new owner says it has never done that before. The police have no way of knowing the dog has an aggressive history unless the new owner tells them and they almost never do because they can get into more trouble having a known aggressive dog. This can get repeated many times before someone is seriously injured or killed. When it comes to aggressive dog(s) attacking a person or their pet, the best thing you can do is kill the dog on the spot, then and there, if possible. If the dog has done it once it will do it again. If you have a gun, kill the dog, you just may save someone’s life. The next person may not have Casey’s skills and be unprepared to protect themselves when the dog(s) do it again.

I use to have trouble with the neighbors dogs chasing my cattle or deer that were on my property. I pleaded, begged and threatened them (the neighbors) I also called the sheriff but it never stopped. After years of this, and the loss of a cow when she was calving, I finally decided to take matters into my own hands. I took up hunting and shot every dog that was running free as soon as it stepped onto my property. I lost track after more than a dozen dogs but it eventually took care of my problem. It was something I did not enjoy and it made me sick because some of the dogs were beautiful dogs and were friendly. I would rather have been hunting the irresponsible owners but I could not legally shoot them, however when the dog is on my property ---


Dave dlt.gif
www.tolandmarine.com
 
about the "man killed by his own dog" if you follow the story back thru three links you find this.
In 2003, Haigler was sentenced to seven years in prison because of a high-speed chase that ended with Haigler repeatedly ramming a Spotsylvania deputy's cruiser before approaching the officers with a gun drawn.

No shots were fired.

Haigler was convicted of possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, possessing a firearm while in possession of cocaine, possession of cocaine, felony eluding, hit-and-run and driving on a suspended license.
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I say "good dog"
 
I'd have to agree, Tom. That's quite a lot of felonies, especially for one LE interaction and you & I know this was not his first go-round w/ LE. I'd say that guy wasn't exactly a valued member of society. Seems karma is a bitch.
 
Mark I just read the link you posted and was suprised that it did not mention harrassing wild life. In Ca any dog seen chasing deer or other wild life/ game can be shoot and there is a fine for the owner of said dog or dogs.
 
I was just watching nw news, and saw a segment about a pit bull attacking and killing a toddler in Nehalem this past weekend. What I heard was that the child wanted down, and the dog made an unprovoked attack when the toddler was on the floor. That must be agonizing for the family and all involved.

The video showed what looked like a CDory 22 at or near the house. I sure hope this didn't happen to one of the CBrats.

Link to KATU News
 
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