Paradise Spoiled

oldgrowth

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My wife and I have 240 acres on the west slope of Augspurger Mountain over looking the Columbia River and Gorge. We spent Thursday cleaning up some of the mess people left on our property. It is in the middle of the National Forest and within the Columbia Gorge National Scenic Area, so most people think it is public property and they have the right to camp :cigar :beer , hunt, and fish on the property. The lakes are starting to get garbage thrown in them. Campfires are being built in heavily timbered areas. They leave their garbage in and around their camp sites. The cabins that have been there since 1939 have been trashed. Trees have been deliberately cut and fell on the out-house. I get a sick feeling in my stomach :unlove every time I think of it, and people wonder why they are being locked out of private property and private timberlands. Well this is why :amgry . If people were more like the group here, wouldn’t it be wonderful?

You can click on the thumbnails for a larger photo of our paradise. :rainbow


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Just when I think society has gone to hell in a handbasket, I come to this place and all is better. There is no question that people have less regard and common courtesy than in years past. I know each generation thinks the one following them has gone downhill, but you can't plop a kid in front of a video (or video game) and hope that they learn social skills.

Sorry this happened to you, Dave, and no one can blame you for doing your best to keep the lowlifes off your property. You can be sure that it wasn't C-Dory owners who did this to your place... the owners here have passion and concern - something lacking in much of today's society.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
I designed and built a couple of gates for each end of the property. I thought they were impenetrable. The hinged end and the locking post each was set in a ton of concrete. Both cross bars latched in the locking post with a 1 ½ inch steal pin inside the well casing post. It made it imposable to pull the gate or push it out unless it was open. I put a lock box on the gate so the USFS and DNR could pass through the property as well as BPA and Williams Gas. Each had their own lock on the gate and I gave a key to the local fire department to my lock.

Someone from one of those departments or companies always left the gates open. After much complaining and threats on my part, the gates started staying locked. That is when I started getting hate mail and threats on my life. I went to the Sheriff with the notes and signs posted on my property and after an investigation the sergeant told me I should be careful and not go there alone or at night. They could not and would not protect me that far into the national forest. That is when I decided to camp there for a while and give the cowards their chance to carry out their threats.

The next spring the locking post was pulled out of the ground on the south gate. I reset it in two tons of concrete and three months later it and the north gate locking post were pulled out and dumped over a steep bank on the property. I am pretty sure I know who did it but unable to prove it.
 
Dave,

Wow - someone REALLY doesn't like that gate. Have you considered installing a hidden digital camera that detects motion and takes photos? That would probably get you the evidence you need to prove who is doing what. There are a large number of these devices made for scouting areas in which people wish to hunt This link will take you to a sampling.
 
Dave- Motion :xlol detector cameras work great! As you know I have used them at the schools for years and they really work! Vandalism has all but vanished. Cameras are great but trip wires and claymores are much more effective.
 
Some people just suck. I'd simply re-print a copy of your 1st post above. Print a few of those and have them weatherproofed and posted. Open the gates. Then, when asked...kinda, they might just realize someone cares about that spot of land, and they may care for it a bit more. Talk to the Sherrif about getting a "work release party" to come help assist with the mess on your property. We call them chain gangs down here. Fences keep honest folks or lost folks honest....other than that, they cost you money and frustration. The motion cameras are fine, the ones I have seen also flash at night. Deers do not climb trees to find out what flashed, but folks who would pull up your gates do, would, or just use it as target practice.

You have a problem not living up there...and even if you did... folks that are that bad and thankless and careless....would just tear up your home. Kinda makes me wonder with the "facilities/utilities/security" folks not wanting to respect your gates....that within that crowd more than likely is some of your problem. Term life insurance on someone may be an option....particuarly if you have them narrowed down and may solicit some help.. :mrgreen: You could also post that policy on the gate post... :smileo
 
Many of the cameras on the link I supplied do not flash at night or can be set to not flash. Some also have IR illumination so that the can see in the dark without being seen. Also some video devices are available that will even broadcast (not too long on the batteries so the still cameras are probably better).
 
All things considered, Life is to short for major headache's. Unless the property has been in the family for some time and has sentiment attached to it, you could purchase a larger boat with the proceeds of the sale! Occupo Vita, from Mike on Huda Thunkit
 
Interesting Thread......I feel your pain.

My cousins in Northern California are part owners of 100 acres of property that includes a lake and 2 waterfalls that borders Mt. Lassen Nat'l Park. (I first visited there in the '40's...don't remember much of it then as I was 4 yrs. old... :wink ). Initially my late Aunt's father purchased the land with two other fellas in the early 1900's. Our families have been vacationing there since. During the winter months it is not uncommon for cross country skiers to come into the posted private property and lounge around the decks of the main cabin and the cook cabin and on some occasions break into and vandalize them. Through the forest service, they've been able to obtain special permits to take their snowmobiles into the property during the winter. Unfortunately, that has created numerous problems as the cross country skiers "poke" at them with their ski poles as they ride by. Then upon arriving at the cabins, these same "uninvited skiers" chastise them for owning such property, where in their mind (and they even verbally said it) "it should belong to everyone in the State of California". (I've often thought that we should all descend in their back yards and "party down" :roll: ) On one occasion one of the visitors, stood just across the property line verbally taunting them, after they were asked to leave.

During the summer, it is not as much of a problem as the number of "family owners" has increased so much over the generations, that it is not uncommon for 20-25 family members to be there at one time for family reunions and the property is "scheduled" during the summer on a weekly basis, so there are always several members there.

It is a shame that folks can be so inconsiderate of others, and makes ownership of such beautiful retreats so stressful, that it is easy to wonder if it is all worth it.
 
45 acres of this property has virgin timber on it (400+ years old). Much of it has what is now called oldgrowth (150+ years old). There are three small alpine lakes on the property. The small one looks like someone placed a green glass over a depression in the ground. The water is so clear it looks like an emerald. The property starts about 400 feet below the North summit of Augspurger Mountain then West ¾ of a mile.

Everything around us used to be privately owned, but after the scenic area in the Columbia Gorge was created, the USFS bought everything within 3 miles of our property.

The Cascade Crest Trail use to run through the property but some time ago moved to the top of Augspurger Mountain and an overlook created so hikers can look down on the lakes and the Gorge.

A little over twelve years ago, I offered the property to the USFS and agreed to sell it for what ever they appraised it at. The Forest Service had it appraised and agreed to buy it, but was unable to come up with the funds for the purchase. Jenifer Belcher our elected DNR Commissioner at the time, decided the property should be protected because of its uniqueness. She created a panel, had public hearings and announced she was protecting the property for all the people of the state. Of course the USFS supported Belcher in her actions. Since then the USFS has said because the property is in the scenic area, logging is severely restricted and new zoning laws passed a few years ago restricts my use, the property is only worth ½ of its appraised value in 1995. But they are willing to buy it at that reduced value, which is less than what I paid for it.

I appreciate everyone’s suggestions on ways to catch the bad asses on this property but because of the location and circumstances, it is not feasible.
 
I can really sympathize. It's on a much smaller scale but we have had a similar experience at our vacation home. The house is situated on a two and a half acre lot carved out of a thirteen acre piece. It's on a small bay. For years there were just two cabins on the thirteen acres. The family that owned them was around all summer, but in the winter people would break into the cabins and squat. Others would walk through or picnic. After years of having to do major cleanup at the beginning of the summer they sold the thirteen acres to a couple who subdivided it into six lots, one of which we bought in 2002. However, before construction of any of the new houses began, people continued to hang out, especially on our lot which has a large boulder retaining wall down to the water. We knew nothing about this history of trespassing until after we bought the lot.

We realized the summer after we bought it and before we started building our house that people had apparently watched 4th of July fireworks from our property, leaving behind their trash, including fireworks debris on the beach. We cleaned it all up and decided we would come back and watch the fireworks there ourselves the next year. In the meantime, we heard that quite a few people liked to watch the fireworks from this easily accessible spot.

By the next 4th, the house was under construction. We brought over a grill and invited a few family members to join us. At about six o'clock, we went down to the primo spot and set up our lounge chairs. A few minutes later a small group of people came charging up to our spot and were clearly disappointed not to have gotten there first. They had come from about 40 miles away! We were not sure what to do, but hoped they'd notice the house and would realize they were on private property and go down to the beach. They did not and within an hour, literally a couple hundred people showed up. Many of them came up on the hill, trampling the vegetation that prevents erosion, pulling their beer coolers and pushing their strollers! We were shocked, as were our family members who are locals. Again they left behind trash, although someone came by early the next morning before we could get back and cleaned up a lot of it.

I spent many sleepless nights worrying about what to do for the next year. What if some drunk fell off the rocks and broke his neck? What a child got hurt or someone started a fire with a carelessly discarded cigarette? How could we get people to respect that this is private property?

The house was finished in April of 2005. Early last summer I had 25 rosa rugosas (lots of thorns, great spreaders) planted on the part of the hill that was most eroded. On the 4th, we invited our family again and also asked the neighbors we had met to come watch the fireworks with us. We put a rope with a No Trespassing sign across the driveway where people had driven up the year before. We set up tiki torches and a Private Property sign at the spot where most people came up the year before and spread out our lounge chairs. I put caution tape and Erosion Control signs around the rosa rugosas. Then I had my elderly parents and aunt sit in the spot we were staking out. I also turned on all the outside lights at the house so it would be obvious it was occupied. Oh, and we doubled our liability insurance, just in case!

Far fewer people showed up that year (I guess they HAD noticed the house the year before) and the ones that were there mostly stayed down on the beach, although a few climbed up on the rocks. I had to tell one kid to stop pulling smaller rocks out of the wall and throwing them down below when his parents appeared not to care what he was doing. The fireworks were fabulous as always and there was not much trash left behind.

We still have people strolling through the middle of property several times a week even when we're there. Our No Trespassing signs are ignored. Most people just pass through and some even wave, but we don't know them and can't understand why they think they can walk through private property like that. I was appalled on day last summer to look out the window by my computer and see an older couple on bicycles who had stopped in our driveway so the husband could urinate. I can understand if it was an emergency, but did it have to be in plain view about 75 feet from my window? Another time I was awakened in the night by male voices. When I looked out the window I could see that someone was in our hammock smoking something. I turned on the lights and they got quiet, but there were beer cans and rolling papers there the next day. The house is not small -- it really can't be missed. Didn't their mamas teach them better?

Anyway, I'm sorry you have to deal with the mess and the stress.

Norma
 
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