OPINION TO UPGRADING TO 22 FT. CD CRUISER

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pathfinder101

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Hi All,

I should of originally titled the subject differently... Sorry about the repeat question.......

Thanks...I really appreciate your input...I currently own a 19 ft. Arima SR
(SkipTower), I was thinking about upgrading into the 22 ft. CD Cruiser...Mainly to fish only...It just feels good to have a pilothouse boat....

I was also wondering if there is a main difference comparing in overall size (except for the length of course... ) Are the gunnels, hull of the boat and height of the boat a lot higher between the two?

Main purpose of upgrading to 22 ft. CD is to go where my Arima 19 ft. cannot go... As for the Arima's...There is a big difference between a 19 ft SR and a 22 ft Sea Legend. A whole different boat.... Is that the case with the 22 ft.
CD ? I looked into both websites and it seems like there aren't that much difference in terms of overall size. (Except for length)

Any help would be well appreciated....


Thanks,
Jeff
 
I'm not much of a fisherman, but my two previous small boats were a 17' Arima (with Skip Tower) and a 22' Osprey Fisherman before getting the CD22 last month.

I too prefer a pilothouse, but I wonder if you will find that inconvenient without cockpit controls when fishing. I had a TR1 controlling a T8 kicker on the Osprey and that worked great the couple of times I fished. I haven't yet decided what I will eventually do on the CD22, but I will probably switch to Baystar hydraulic steering and add a wireless Raymarine 1000.

Older CDs do not have a raised floor like the Arima - there is no fish box in the sole, no hidden bilge, etc. Which means you stand a little lower in the boat. There is now a raised floor option (guessing it can be retrofitted) if you want a level platform (though the shallow "V" CDory hull does not seem to bother many people).

Honestly, you're really going to need to find a CD in your area to see how well it's going to work - for you!
 
Hey Jeff,

I had a 21 Arima HT before my 22 Cruiser.

Things I have noticed are as follows:
C-Dory higher gunnels than Arima feels safer fishing
C-Dory is louder and rougher in the chop at the same speed 20 mph
You shouldn't mount a late model yamaha kicker on the port side if you want to tiller steer, the tiller is too far off centre and interferes at the side of the motor well
C-Dory has much better quality hardware, glazing (ie my cancerous aluminum window frames on my Arima), upholstery (sunbrella in the C-Dory), and I believe also better glass work, the topside are glassed to the hull not bolted, non slip deck is more serious on C-Dory
Much more useable room in a C-dory due to design (no stringers)
Plus for Arima = quiet ride and safe foam fill hull
C-Dory feels just as safe and stable as the Arima fishing in the chop and swells
Fuel economy on both about the same, but Arima needs more HP

I wanted a cruiser and was debating modifying the Arima but decided against it because the wheel house was just too small.

I made the right decision.

Good Luck.

Stefan
 
Stefan,

I really like the looks of the 22 ft. C.D. and added plus for the pilothouse however, if my Arima 19 ft. S.R. can go anywhere the 22 ft. C.D. can go than, it does not justify me in upgrading..... Unless I'm looking at over 22 ft. boat.....

I appreciate it if any more comments can be made....


Thanks,
Jeff
 
I fish a bit and if I was only going to fish and not camp on the boat I would get the 22 angler. the extra room in the back deck is well worth it, if you are never going to camp on the boat and might be a good choice for you.

centerisland, if you liked the tr-1 you will hate the raymarine auto pilot. like going from my datsun 510 to driving my concrete truck. It will get it done but not as well or fast or as smooth.
 
starcrafttom":3usjueux said:
I fish a bit and if I was only going to fish and not camp on the boat I would get the 22 angler. the extra room in the back deck is well worth it, if you are never going to camp on the boat and might be a good choice for you.
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Better yet, Master Marine in Mount Vernon has an Angler with rear bulkhead: http://www.mastermarine.com/boat_detail.php?key=150.

starcrafttom":3usjueux said:
centerisland, if you liked the tr-1 you will hate the raymarine auto pilot. like going from my datsun 510 to driving my concrete truck. It will get it done but not as well or fast or as smooth.
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I had a TR-1 Gold on the kicker, the right one for my (2) BF40s would apparently be the TR-1 Gladiator, but I don't think I can justify a $4K - plus install(!) - autopilot. :lol:

So you're not happy with the S1000?
 
Umm...

"I" would take a 19 Arima anywhere I would take a 22 C-Dory.

Umm.. Case closed?
 
I" would take a 19 Arima anywhere I would take a 22 C-Dory.
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This poster is interested in San Franscisco bay--one of the major differences is both the the size, and the pilot house protection. I have boated out of SF a number of times, and it can be wet and cold in a non pilot house boat.

Could you take a 19 Arima the same places?--not sure about range, but probably-however there is bit of difference in the 3 foot size difference also in the "sea worthyness" of the boats by length alone. For example I owned a 20 foot Grady White walk around--and although it would go the same places (a bit faster, and perhaps less pounding), it was not as comfortable as the C Dory 22.
 
Miles , My first car was a 71 510 2 door stock that i bought from a teacher in 84 for $800 cash. I should have never sold that car. I also had a lowered 71 510 2 door that I wrecked. Both cars were a lot of fun. I loved to challenge the big block, heavy front end , 1/4 miles cars to 10 mile road races on curvy roads. if I could beat them to the first corner i had them, if not I would wait for MY corner and drop below them and slide by. that would be the last they saw of me until the finish line were I would be waiting. at $50 to $500 a pot it kept me in gas and beer.

I was thinking of finding another one but the prices for one that's not a wreck or butchered is crazy.
 
I too had a 510 sedan. Back when they were Datsuns, not Nissan. A great car, solid as a rock. Simple, economical transportation with decent performance.
 
thataway":3vdbwlu1 said:
I have boated out of SF a number of times, and it can be wet and cold in a non pilot house boat.
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To be fair, I should point out that the Skip Tower adds quite a bit of protection - there's only a narrow strip of vinyl window between the (poorly mounted, but that's another issue) windshield and the top. With the Espar D2 I added (might be unique in that respect, most folks used the Mr Buddy heaters), it was quite warm.

One other difference is that the helm position (from memory) seems higher in the Arima than the CDory, affording better visibility - and certainly the stock Arima pedestal seat is way more comfortable than the CDory helm seat.

As for the higher gunwhale on the CDory, there are also rails available for the Arima that can add security.

Again, I'm not a fisherman...but I think it's hard to make the case that a CDory would be an overall better fishing pure platform than an Arima. Compared to an Arima that you already own, it's going to be even harder to justify.
 
I find it really hard to believe that 3 feet of boat is going to make much difference in where one can go. In fact, I feel that the CD 22 is just as capable in the snot as my dream boat; the SS Pilot 27. Is the 22 an upgrade to what you have? Yeah probably, but it is not really a significant upgrade in seaworthiness, but a huge upgrade in comfort if that is what you are after.
 
Look at the 23. Just have the factory omit the fluff. The advantages of a 23 over a 22 for fishing are, wider for more room and more stable fishing platform, more freeboard, full height motor well so waves don't come in while backing into wind while bottom fishing, larger cockpit for fishing, larger and wider cabin for comfort, wider gunnel for mounting downriggers, smoother ride for getting to the fishing hole faster in rough water, better sight lines from the cabin, and better dash layout for electronics.
 
I fish Bodega area a lot and if you are familiar, it is often known as Blowdega. Last year, a friend in his 19' Arima and I in the CD 22 were fishing side by side 12 miles from port. Winds came up to 25 knots and seas became close and snotty. We both headed back together. I closed the cabin door, trimmed down with Permatrims and they had to leave part of the canvas open so they could see. Both of us took water over the top. We came back to port about the same time, they came back wet and cold, we were nice and dry. The enclosed cabin is a huge difference when the weather gets cold or too hot. Both vessels fish great. Although the Arima has a larger cockpit, I prefer the bigger cabin as my crew and I can stay out of the weather and be more comfortable. Another big reason for upgrading to the 22 was to have range for tuna. So far, it has been very capable with 3 trips, going out 38 mi, 32 mi and 28 mi with catches of 21, 16 and 16. Fuel burn is excellent and the crew appreciates that. One other benefit of the pilot house is the security of having all the gear locked and ready for the next trip.

Hope this helps....Vern
 
LIke longstory said I would also look at the cc-23 (venture) series boat bigger cockpit and a little more deadrise 1000lb more and the ride is a lot better in snotty seas . The cc-23 is more like the Arima 22 without the deeper deadrise and wider beam (15vs 8degrees and 8ft vs 9ft)

BTW I've had both the c-22 cruiser and now have the cc-23 there is a big difference in ride and usually they are about the same $ buying used or about a $10,000 upgrade buying new

Your 19 Arima is a nice boat 8ft beamand about 12 degree deadrise if I remember right and I think almost the same weight as the c-22 The cd 22 will give you more protection but you might have to slow down with the cd22 vs Arima19


Whatever you do take a ride then decide Good luck in your Quest
 
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