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I had to laugh at Dan's comments about the dogs--we have been there also!
I suspect that a lot depends on how well the camper canvas is constructed, but we have 1" tubing, with a free standing (although it is attatched to an awning rail at the front) top on the Tom Cat. The CD 25 is "factory" and not as substantial.
We have taken some pretty good sized waves over the fully enclosed dodger of the cal 46 (driven right into some 15 foot waves) in the open sea and across breaking bars with no effect on the canvas. Again 1" tubing, and in that case a 6" teak "breakwater" across the front. By the time the water gets up on the deck or above the freeboard of a CD, a lot of the energy will have been disipated. When you get to huge seas, nothing will stand up to those--but hopefully the C Dory will not be out in that!--In these conditions it would be survival.
It also helps if the top/camper canvas is easy to take up and down, to allow the deployment of dinghies etc. We slid the dinghy over the motor/ or between the motors on the Tom Cat--When we get the davit done, it will probably be taken directly to the roof.
I suspect that a lot depends on how well the camper canvas is constructed, but we have 1" tubing, with a free standing (although it is attatched to an awning rail at the front) top on the Tom Cat. The CD 25 is "factory" and not as substantial.
We have taken some pretty good sized waves over the fully enclosed dodger of the cal 46 (driven right into some 15 foot waves) in the open sea and across breaking bars with no effect on the canvas. Again 1" tubing, and in that case a 6" teak "breakwater" across the front. By the time the water gets up on the deck or above the freeboard of a CD, a lot of the energy will have been disipated. When you get to huge seas, nothing will stand up to those--but hopefully the C Dory will not be out in that!--In these conditions it would be survival.
It also helps if the top/camper canvas is easy to take up and down, to allow the deployment of dinghies etc. We slid the dinghy over the motor/ or between the motors on the Tom Cat--When we get the davit done, it will probably be taken directly to the roof.
Bob-
You speak of 1" tubing on the TC 255 and "less substantial" tubing on the CD-25. Is it 7/8" on the 25?
Are these aluminum, aluminum alloy, or stainless tubes? Most of what I see are aluminum, perhaps a mild alloy, but not stainless.
There's a world of difference, of course!
I like 1" or larger stainless on all pulpits, handrails, cockpit rails, ladders, and the like that can have the weight of a person's body on them.
Joe.
You speak of 1" tubing on the TC 255 and "less substantial" tubing on the CD-25. Is it 7/8" on the 25?
Are these aluminum, aluminum alloy, or stainless tubes? Most of what I see are aluminum, perhaps a mild alloy, but not stainless.
There's a world of difference, of course!
I like 1" or larger stainless on all pulpits, handrails, cockpit rails, ladders, and the like that can have the weight of a person's body on them.
Joe.
Our experience is that the Full canvas enclosure is good for leaks. I mean the kind of leaks the happen to both of us, two or three times a night. On the 22 CD we moved the portapotty out on the deck out from under our v-birth. On warm nights we leave the door open . that is why we are having screens installed right now. By leaving the door open when it is chilly, the wallas keeps it fairly warm out on deck. The only draw back we have found ( I should say"I") is when going to do serious fishing. You might call the full enclosure a "camper package", because it is indispensable if you are using the boat as a live aboard. If you bought it as a fishing boat, forget it. It will always be in the way.
One other point if you plan on taking green seas over the stern, don't invite me to travel with you. I am a fair weather sailer. I got to admit I sunk our 22 foot C-Dory in Mexico. Not the time the the mooring broke loose, but when we were launching the boat to go fishing. We were launching into the surf with about two ft seas. You need to get it in quickly. Maybe take one or two waves over the transom. Boat got hung up on the trailer about half way in. Tried to pull it off with the engines. All that did was suck in the sand and tore up the impellers. 1st and second wave put enough water into the boat to set the stern down hard. I had no choice but to pull the trailer out from under it. the boat totally filled up with water. We got it light enough to drag the boat out by have a bunch of guys bailing with buckets between waves to get it back far enough where the water stopped coming in over the stern. Took us a week to get all the pieces of rubber out of the starboard engine.
Full canvas cover allows us to read, eat, get out of the hot sun, and live on the back deck. It becomes part of our home at sea. For our life style we would not go without it.
Bill and Ell led us to the narrow back folding chairs that fit nicely into the corners of the 22 c-d back deck. Thanks guys. We learned a bunch from them. We did that rechargeable lantern as well.
captd
One other point if you plan on taking green seas over the stern, don't invite me to travel with you. I am a fair weather sailer. I got to admit I sunk our 22 foot C-Dory in Mexico. Not the time the the mooring broke loose, but when we were launching the boat to go fishing. We were launching into the surf with about two ft seas. You need to get it in quickly. Maybe take one or two waves over the transom. Boat got hung up on the trailer about half way in. Tried to pull it off with the engines. All that did was suck in the sand and tore up the impellers. 1st and second wave put enough water into the boat to set the stern down hard. I had no choice but to pull the trailer out from under it. the boat totally filled up with water. We got it light enough to drag the boat out by have a bunch of guys bailing with buckets between waves to get it back far enough where the water stopped coming in over the stern. Took us a week to get all the pieces of rubber out of the starboard engine.
Full canvas cover allows us to read, eat, get out of the hot sun, and live on the back deck. It becomes part of our home at sea. For our life style we would not go without it.
Bill and Ell led us to the narrow back folding chairs that fit nicely into the corners of the 22 c-d back deck. Thanks guys. We learned a bunch from them. We did that rechargeable lantern as well.
captd
I just love the temperament of the folks on this list and I wish that having started this thread, I would have decided on the CD22 as my boat of choice - do I have to own one to continue to participate in the forums :?:
A lot of good information came out of the posts here and it helped me to decide on a Seaswirl/Wellcraft mostly because I am not an experienced ocean going sailor - I think we'll leave it at that.
We ended up with a 1997 Wellcraft 23 Walkaround with very low hours and we are calling it the "No Dory".
I'm removing the single 200HP Johnson with about 150 hours and biting the bullet with twin Evinrude 115 Etechs - that ought to take a month or two.
Can't start until the 200 is sold because I want to demo the engine to the buyer.
Appreciate all the posts here - many thanks,
Nick
A lot of good information came out of the posts here and it helped me to decide on a Seaswirl/Wellcraft mostly because I am not an experienced ocean going sailor - I think we'll leave it at that.
We ended up with a 1997 Wellcraft 23 Walkaround with very low hours and we are calling it the "No Dory".
I'm removing the single 200HP Johnson with about 150 hours and biting the bullet with twin Evinrude 115 Etechs - that ought to take a month or two.
Can't start until the 200 is sold because I want to demo the engine to the buyer.
Appreciate all the posts here - many thanks,
Nick
PCguy2u,
Congratulations on your boat. I have been aboard a Sea Swirl 23--lot of boat for the $$. I have never run one, but owned a 22' Grady White walk around, which is similar hull design. You will use a bit more fuel, and I suspect not be quite as stable at slow speeds. But the boat will run into the seas, better than the CD 22 at a higher speed. You don't have the pilot house, Warmth, protection nor the galley that the CD has. You do have a self bailing cockpit, a walk around deck--somewhat wider than the CD 22 and a good fishing boat for local coastal fishing. Let us know how the E Tecs and the Seaswirl work out for you--never know--you may decide that the CD is really the boat for you after all.
Congratulations on your boat. I have been aboard a Sea Swirl 23--lot of boat for the $$. I have never run one, but owned a 22' Grady White walk around, which is similar hull design. You will use a bit more fuel, and I suspect not be quite as stable at slow speeds. But the boat will run into the seas, better than the CD 22 at a higher speed. You don't have the pilot house, Warmth, protection nor the galley that the CD has. You do have a self bailing cockpit, a walk around deck--somewhat wider than the CD 22 and a good fishing boat for local coastal fishing. Let us know how the E Tecs and the Seaswirl work out for you--never know--you may decide that the CD is really the boat for you after all.