North Pacific 28?

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Best Day

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I opened up my new Sea magazine and stumbled across this new trawler being made by North Pacific.

http://www.northpacificyachts.com/npy28.pdf

It sounds very nice and should give the new Nordic Tug 26 a run for it's money. Updates specs according to the North Pacific owners forum are 100 gallon fuel tank and a Cummins 130 Hp diesel.

I thought you Ranger fans might be interested.

Bill
 
We talked to the importer at the Anacortes Trawlerfest about this boat. At that time, it was only an idea and an artist's sketch. It appears to be the same sketch and some nice specs. I wouldn't get too excited until you see a real photo of a real boat! Remember the term Vaporware?
 
As someone looking around for small trawler the North Pacific 28 looks nice and seems well priced against revivals such as the Ranger Tug boats. It looks like you can get boat comparable to the Ranger Tug R29 for the price of a Range Tug R25. That should make it a swift seller especially in the economic mess North America is in now.

When can I get one out here in Ontario?

RET
 
I think that you have to compare the North Pacific 28 directly to the Ranger 25--It is not going to be comperable to the Ranger 29. The North Pacific is a considerably smaller boat than the Ranger 29.

Agree it is a nice looking boat--and I saw the same drawings as Pat did. With a 130 or 150, it probably will have comperable speeds as the Ranger 25.

Is a Oriental built boat better than a US built boat?
 
I think you are probably right as the R29 is a bigger boat especially with the extra 18" of beam and the extra length. It will be interesting to see what Ranger Tug does with the interior layout as I have not seen any published drawings yet. I can’t comment on the quality levels of Chinese built boats as I do not know anything about that.

RET
 
thataway":d7eqgqlo said:
Is a Oriental built boat better than a US built boat?
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That depends upon the builder doesn't it? I am sure that a Fleming is better constructed than a Sea Ray, just as a Grand Banks is better built than a Carver.
 
The question was rethorical--but there are some very badly built asian boats. I sent a lengthy PM to Westfield 11. I won't discuss the quality of the North Pacific 28, since I have not seen one in person, or run one. But I can form rough judgements based on other boats which I have seen at the recent boat shows.

What is most telling is what the boat looks like 3 to 5 years down the line. We have some Ranger 25's which are at the 3 year level and they seem to be holding up very well.

I have owned--and crossed oceans in Taiwan boats--and might buy one again. I prefer to buy American if I can find a comperable or better product.

Interesting choice of two mid high end Asian boats--because both are pretty to look at, but are not perticularly the best sea boats. (and I have spent a fair amount of time on both GB and Flemming)
 
I agree, but we were discussing build quality, not seakeeping ability. That is a function of design not construction for the most part. If you want to see quality go aboard a 30 year old Hatteras and poke around behind the bulkheads and under the decks and sole. They don't build them like that anymore, not even by Hatteras! Look on Yachtworld: for the price of a new Ranger you could buy a well equipped and maintained 53 Hatteras or similar Viking or Bertram. Of course the yearly expenses would have you in the poorhouse and they only get 1mpg at hull speed, but still.....

Anyone with cash in hand in a couple of years will be able to buy a lot of boat for very little money if that's your cup of tea.
 
FWIW I've heard second hand accounts of North Pacific 43's having premature problems with various systems. Dunno if this sort of thing could explain their price point.



Please note this report is worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
thataway":1nbu8a1b said:
I think that you have to compare the North Pacific 28 directly to the Ranger 25--It is not going to be comperable to the Ranger 29. The North Pacific is a considerably smaller boat than the Ranger 29.
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Yes, the stats look very close to a Ranger 25. Some of these boats make me long for an industry standard on just how we measure the darn things.

Ranger 25 is 24'7" of boat, but it's 28'5" overall if you include the pulpit and swim platform. Based on industry standards, that might be called anything from a 24 to a 29. Looks like Ranger calls it a 25, while North Pacific calls it a 28.

Both boats are 8'6" wide, and both weigh about 7,000 lbs.

If we're going to compare to the Ranger 29, that boat would have to exist, wouldn't it?

The RUMORED Ranger 29 might just be 33 feet long, counting all appendages, if it ever becomes more than a rumor. It might be 10 feet wide, and might weigh almost twice what a 25 weighs. But that's just stuff you hear on the street.
 
The Ranger 29 is far more than a rumor. It will be in boat shows shortly.
As I understand it, the Ranger folks want to get it "right" before revealing the pictures, sea trials etc. That makes sense, and we get less in the way of rumors.

As for build quality--you make my point with the Hatteras, vs Taiwan boats of that era. But you can buy some very nice and well built Taiwan boats 20 years old, for what a Ranger 25 runs--for example we have been following a very nice Ocean Alexander 48 whose price has been falling as fast as the stock market. Even with the build quality, the 30 plus/minus year old Hatterae have some issues--including cosmetics, the engines--most of which were GMC two cycles, and dated systems/electronics. As a person who has restored several older boats--they can be a real buy, but you have to know exactly what needs to be done and what the costs will be.

As for the Grand Banks quality--not all have been that good. A few years ago, I was aboard some new boats which I felt had substandard workmanship. I think that a certain amount of this was due to changes in plant locations, and non standard workmanship.
 
There are some great boats built in Asia and some not so great ones just as with American built boats. I think that you should be suspicious of a boat where you appear to be getting so much more for your money than a comparable boat of another brand. The cost savings have to come from somewhere and frequently, it is not only the labor costs of offshore build but includes inferior components, poorer quality resins, a hull layup with a different lamination schedule and other areas.

As to the North Pacific, I have only seen one North Pacific 43. It was in the yard where we used to keep our boat. It was there for repairs as the bow pulpit had broken off while the boat was at anchor. It was rather impressive damage as we had not had a particularly significant blow at the time. That experience, which is quite recent, did not give me a good feeling about the quality of the construction of this brand.

As to the North Pacific 28, some of you will recognize the drawing from the May/June 2007 PassageMaker Magazine article on trailerable boats. It was shown as the work of Chesapeake Marine Design and the plans were (and still are) available for self build or custom build. It seems that North Pacific has negotiated some form of non exclusive license to build the boat
 
The think that I noticed about the difference in price is the Electronics. Correct me if I'm wrong but the ranger comes standard the raymarine system of multi screen radar and radio. I cant find any on the list of stock items on the North pacific. That could add a lot of money, $6000, to the price tag.
 
I knew I had seen that photo before! It looks like North Pacific has bought the design from Chesapeake Marine Design and changed the hull.

For what it is worth North Pacific is saying the boat will be available spring of 09. The owner of North Pacific is in China until December working out the details.

Their ad in Sea magazine says 28 feet long hull. I would assume that means without swimstep or pulpit. That would make the boat 3 feet longer than the ranger 25. They also are estimating a dry weight of 7,000 pounds.

The boats sound like they will be fitted inside like the bigger North Pacifics with teak cabinetry, teak and holly floors and corian countertops. They even say they will have a 600 AH battery bank and forced air heating.

I don't want to start slamming a boat before it is even being produced but I do think that the companies past boats will be good indicators of their new boats. With this in mind does anyone here have any experience with the larger North Pacifics? If so what is your impression?

I'm not in the immediate market for a new boat but I'm always keeping my eye out for my next "last boat".

Bill
 
The floorplan is almost identical to my 27' Devlin except my 44 hp engine is located aft bulkhead instead of the stern.

Personally, I'd go with the Ranger and the 150 Cummins.

-Greg
 
I say we just get it over with and buy everything from over seas. To hell with the big three, C-Dory, Boeing, GE, and any other company still foolish enough to try to survive here. It just is not worth it, so I say buy it. When you get done, make sure you outsource our engineers, doctors, and any one else that still have a decent job left in the country......I will now step down from my soapbox and the post is yours :)
 
starcrafttom":18nfc42x said:
The think that I noticed about the difference in price is the Electronics. Correct me if I'm wrong but the ranger comes standard the raymarine system of multi screen radar and radio.
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No, that's not correct. The new Rangers come with no chartplotter/sounder/radar as standard equipment. The R-25 option is for a Garmin 5212 system now, and it's really nice. It's $7,500.
 
Best Day":1v0kch2q said:
Their ad in Sea magazine says 28 feet long hull. I would assume that means without swimstep or pulpit. That would make the boat 3 feet longer than the ranger 25. They also are estimating a dry weight of 7,000 pounds.
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I guess we'll have to wait until someone sees one in the wild and measures it. ;) 7,000 dry weight seems awfully light if it is indeed a 28' hull. The R-25 weighs that much with full tanks.

The designer estimates the weight at 11,000, which would make more sense for a 28' boat. That's not going to plane without a bunch more power.

Chesapeake Marine Designs spec page
 
tom, thanks for the correction.

I have to wonder if the difference in weight is because of a difference in production choice's. Again correct me if I'm wrong, others here know far more about building boats then me. If the 11,000 lbs is a reflection of hand lay up and the 7000 is a kevlar or other material in a vacuum bag lay up could this account for that much weight difference? I do know that when ocean roamer built their boats with a vacuum bag production, that the weight was so much less then anticipated, that the boat sits higher out of the water then it was designed to and their sales man will tell you that loading the boat down is a good idea and helps the ride a lot.
 
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