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starcrafttom

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Hi, I am going thru what many of you have gone thru. Replacing all of my tie down brakes calipers and disc. while shopping on line I have noticed that the Kodiak and titans require 1500 psi . My old pump , that I just replaced is a 1200psi??? that is what was on the trailer before. with this work?

I have to say that this is a nightmare. I can not believe that such crappy design was every allowed on the road. Unless i am a complete tool it looks like you have to remove the disc and calipers from the trailer to change the pads????????? w.t.f.??????? I have the tie down 81104 units on the trailer now, which you can't get parts for. or at lest i cant find them.
 
Don't know about the PSI requirement, but don't you have a Hydrastar?

If so, and you find out you do need 1500 PSI - my guess is they can update your unit pretty easily. The one I just purchased from them was essentially made to order, and when we discussed the PSI issue they stated it's nothing more than a valve. Might even be a DIY swap for somebody with clue.
 
I believe the 1600 psi unit is required or at least recommended for disc brakes. We have Kodiaks and remove the calipers by removing the two bolts they float on to change the brake pads. I'm talking east coast. I have no idea what goes on out there! :mrgreen:
D.D.
 
Well, I'll be dipped. The Tye Down 81104 manual certainly says to remove the hub and calipers to change pads. Looking at the parts diagram, apparently the bolts that hold the caliper to the backing plate are studs. I also note that those calipers are twin piston, whilst those I'm used to are single piston.

Tye Down sells an aluminum caliper, so maybe all they can stand is 1200 psi. I'd check with the factory.

The E-Z Loader trailer under Journey On has Reliable hubs and Kodiak calipers. To replace the pads, I just pull 2 bolts that hold the calipers to the backing plate, pry out the caliper, etc, etc, etc. Same as on the Toyota, Ford and Chevvie. So I don't know what's going on.

Let us know what's going on after you change the pads. You might be able to replace those studs ( if that's what they are) with normal bolts. And thanks for the warning.

Boris
 
ssobol, That part of England is now out of business and you've just identified why. I owned a Rover with a (gasp) De Dion rear end, inboard calipers and it didn't last long enough to require a caliper change.

And now Jaguar is owned by India. Must say something.

Boris, ex-British bike and auto owner.
 
Well all six calipers are off and i doubt that one of them is worth keeping. The caliper mounting studs are studs that the caliper floats on that can not be removed with out removing the disc. 4 out of 6 have the rear pin bent so bad that the pin will not come out unless I use a punch and a hammer. Also note that the 4, count them 4, bolt that hold the caliper together and must be removed to replace the inside pad aill not come out at all on most of them. I have beat heated beat sprayed and beat one pad to death trying to get one bolt out.

Good news is that tie down makes a new caliper with a mounting plate that will allow me to use the rotors I have already. Now just to find the right price.
 
Sea Wolf,
Thanks for posting the link to Champion Trailers... Something that is a worthwhile read for every trailer boater is their featured article on disc verses drum brakes.
 
ssbol,

You might look at Kodiak calipers . I've had good luck with them. I think calipers are somewhat interchangeable. To be sure, I'd call the vendor orKodiak factory.

I got the Kodiak Dacromet coated calipers and they've held up better that I thought they would. How's that for an unambiguous statement?

Boris
 
journey on":2bigwlk1 said:
ssobol, That part of England is now out of business and you've just identified why. I owned a Rover with a (gasp) De Dion rear end, inboard calipers and it didn't last long enough to require a caliper change.

And now Jaguar is owned by India. Must say something.

Boris, ex-British bike and auto owner.
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I realize that this is a side track--but I must correct what was noted by Boris. Jag and Land Rover are still designed an built in the same area and plants where they were traditionally built in England. Tata Motors (Mr. Tata is a citizen of India, but the company is a multi national) paid over 2.3 billion US dollars for Jag/Land Rover et al to Ford Motors in 2008 @ a loss of about 4 billion for Ford! Tata has established an Automotive design Center with over 100 million dollars of funding at Warwick University (in the area where Jag and Land Rover are built in England). Dr. Wolfgang Ziebart was appointed Director Group Engineering Jaguar Land Rover as of August 1, 2013. Dr Ziebart was a major director in BMW for the last 23 years. Did the old Jags have reliability issues--absolutely. Today's Jaguar is an entirely different breed, and far more reliable as one of the better luxury cars, consistently placing in the top 10 luxury cars. Now back to trailer brakes.
 
Hey there, Bob, let's discuss what you said. The brake issue should be over, so let's talk about English cars.

First, Jaguar and Land Rover. Notice it's not Rover, but Land Rover, the cars have been separated and killed. For good reason, beautiful, great handling, nice to ride in (for the 60's) but a bit short in dependability.

And Jaguar has soldiered on. Now owned by Tata Motors, certainly a multinational company, but proud to call themselves Indian on their website. Bought from Ford, another multinational company, but one identified with the USA. And you make a good point, the sooner we understand that these companies are multinational and not dedicated to any one nation, the better off we'll be.

Now I never owned a Jaguar, spending my money on sending a couple of wives to art school, but I did go through several MG's. Yes these still are being made, in England, but by another multinational: SAIC Motor Corporation Limited is a Chinese state-owned automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Shanghai, China. They also have a partnership with GM, yet another multinational. And SAIC also has a research centre in England, one assumes a popular status symbol, though their cars are only assembled in the Misty Isle. SAIC appears to have killed the Rover car brand.

And, of course, Chrysler is a subsidy of FIAT, another multinational from Italy. I once was in partnership with a wife who came with a Chrysler product; got rid of both as the same time, win-win.

So, we're all supporting multinational companies, with research centers. And I'll bet that the new Jags are just as dependable as the old ones. I always wanted an XK150, but couldn't afford the $7000. And now I can buy a used one for a mere $70, 000+. They were part of the truly great car scene then and I hope they still are, but they're owned by India now.

OK, Bob, what's the next topic?

Boris
 
And I'll bet that the new Jags are just as dependable as the old ones.
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Boris, the XF came in at #6 in US news in large Luxury cars, with reliability in the well above average, and the XJ #10 in super luxury cars, with above average liability. That is far above what Jag used to be--especially when the XK 150 was "king". I never drove an XK150, but one of my buddies had a XK 140, (at the time I owned a Sunbeam Alpine Tiger), and I was not impressed with the Jag. It had much harder steering than the Alpine.. Maybe the XK150 was a better car. Yes I suffered thru one MG (actually Lucas was the problem--not the car on engine).

The point is, the despite overall ownership of Jaguar and Land Rover, by Tata, (a privately owned--not state owned company). it is still a car produced in the same factories, and in England--not in India.

I have a little more insight into the Jaguar situation, since my son in law is the North American Managing Director of the advertising agency for Jaguar, and he not only has one of the latest Jag models, but flies to England monthly to meet with the staff there and regularly test drives all models. Incidentally my son in law is ethnically Indian, but is as "American" as you can find having migrated here legally when young. I believe you will find that those folks who build the current Jaguar will tell you it is an "English" car--not an "Indian" car.

Regards.
 
Slow, complicated infotainment system
Limited rear-seat headroom

Recalls

There have been 4 safety recalls issued from NHTSA.

STEERING:HYDRAULIC POWER ASSIST:HOSE, PIPING, AND CONNECTIONS
Recall Date: 06/30/2014

SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FLUID
Recall Date: 06/01/2014

ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Recall Date: 03/30/2014

SUSPENSION:REAR
Recall Date: 03/30/2014

You really can't own one these, you just get visiting privileges.

:mrgreen:
D.D.
 
Well, I was wondering what was going on about Jaguar. From what I could see none of those luxury cars, except maybe the Japanese, are maintenance free. Not that I've had direct experience. But at any hospital, look at the doctors parking ares: Lexus.

Bob, without all those nasty old Jaguars, there wouldn't have been a 2014 Jag. Those Jags of the 50's and 60's were truly great cars for going fast, certainly not for getting groceries. They did well in Le Mans and other races both in the XK and E series. No, they weren't easy to drive but, boy did they go. And certainly they didn't have recalls for power steering, because they didn't have any. I say this as an observer, I couldn't afford them then and don't want to now. I'll stick with boats and bikes.

How the British managed to inflict Lucas on us, I don't know. It must not rain in England, because the MG doesn't run in the rain. And changing the oil filter certainly taught you a few new words. "Good" wasn't one of them.

Boris
 
Having had some British motorcycles we called Larry(sic) Lucas the Prince of Darkness. Headlight bulbs always failed or any other Lucas electric part could or did fail.
Tom,
Check out www.trailerpartssuperstore.com for different types of Kodiak brake equipment for sale. Good service but maybe better prices elsewhere.

I my self would never buy a Jaguar. I always liked Porsche. I'd buy a new Porsche Panamera if I hit the lottery.

Man, we beat up this thread pretty bad.
D.D.
 
Well, I'll go along with not buying a Jaguar; not that it's a bad car (I'm not going there again,) but my time has passed.

However, if we're going to discuss German stuff, that's another story (thread?) At this moment, there's another subject "Design Headaches" and it makes me think of how the Germans design. Thier designs are things of beauty and are wonderful. Until you try to use them in real life. I tried racing a German 2-stroke, a Sachs. Handled well, sturdy, but when you shifted it in the middle of a race, it didn't. Turns out that the mechanism was such a wonderful thing, that it only shifted when it was perfectly adjusted AND handled delicately. So you went out and bought a kit that generated and tolerated slop. Finally broke my leg on it and sold it. No more German stuff.

So, while the Porsche is truly a magnificent car, I'm not the driver for which it's intended. I don't drive with finesse, to put it mildly.

And, by the way, a Mini is now a German car and sells like hot cakes.

Do we want to go on to French cars? I owned a Renault, long, long ago.

Boris
 
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