need 'help' ideas for new stove?

[dan.kelly14]

I just bought a 82 CD classic :thup it has a alcohol stove, i've had some problems with the stove going out and filling up with alcohol. Im scared to live it in the boat.. thinking of replacing with a coleman propane because its cheep, what do you think. Is there a better idea.. checked on a new alch. stove they wanted around 750.00 little broke after buying the boat .please help

 

[Sea Wolf]

Dan-

If you only want a cooking stove (not cabin heating), the portable propane stove will work fine, you just need to use it with plenty of ventilation, as it produces carbon monoxide as well as carbon dioxide and water as by-products of combustion.

You can use it in the cabin, or out on a table in the cockpit.

They come in one, two, three, or more burner models.

The l-lb propane cannisters can (rarely) leak, either when stored with the stove or when detached for storage, so storing the stove with one in it or a partially used cannister should be done outside in the cockpit, or even on the rooftop(!), as the propane gas is heavier than air and explosive when mixed with air in certain proportions. Don't let the potential leaking gas get trapped in a compartment or in the cabin!

Check out the various brands and models. I have a Coleman for my Sea Ray, where we prefer to cook outside the cabin because of all the interior fabrics, that has two burners: one regular burner, and a seond one that can be used as a regular burner, a griddle, or a grille with two additional inserts for the burner top.

Welcome to C-Brats!

Joe.

HERE is a link to a newer version of the Burner/Grille stove.

 

[dan.kelly14]

:idea Great looking stove! but I was planning to use it to heat the cabin during the day if its cold & use a elect. heater at night with my honda 1000
"sea wolf " liked idea for your gen. from your pics. It does not sound like you think I should use propane in the cabin though for heat. Where did you buy your beach ladder, I NEED ONE! looks great.

GREAT SITE YOU GUYS HAVE, LOTS OF HELP AND IDEAS!!! :thup

 

[Sea Wolf]

:idea Great looking stove! but I was planning to use it to heat the cabin during the day if its cold & use a elect. heater at night with my honda 1000
"sea wolf " liked idea for your gen. from your pics. It does not sound like you think I should use propane in the cabin though for heat. Where did you buy your beach ladder, I NEED ONE! looks great.

GREAT SITE YOU GUYS HAVE, LOTS OF HELP AND IDEAS!!! :thup

Dan-

People DO use propane heaters (like the Mr. Buddy) heater during the day, but they must be very careful about ventilation, having a cracked window or two always open!

Carbon monoxide (CO) poisioning is cumulative and insidious!

The carbon monoxide molecules attach to the hemoglobin in your red blood cells that carry oxygen into and carbon dioxide out of your body cells, rendering the cells incapable of supplying oxygen to your body. This can happen quickly or very slowly, but occurs like an anesthetic, putting you to sleep without you becoming conscious that it's happening. You just drift off to sleep, permanently!

Ventilation must be very good, and there is always some danger when using any heater or stove that does not have an exhaust pipe externally vented to the outside of the cabin.

You can use a Carbon Monoxide Detector in the cabin to monitor the carbon monoxide levels, but according to Dr. Bob, only a few detectors intended originally for aviation use in airplanes are sensitive enough to protect against cumulative low-level exposure over longer periods. These aviation type detectors cost as much or more than an externally vented heater, making their use with an inexpensive heater not cost-effective. Also, all CO detectors have a 3-4 year useful life and must be replaced and tested periodically.

The Honda 1000i generator and electric heater is a safer combination, but even then, carbon monoxide poisioning is an ever present danger. Having the generator on the rear of the boat (down on the swimstep is best) with the boat facing into the wind, such as at anchor, is the best with a window cracked again for positive ventilation. At a dock, the wind can shift and blow fumes into the cabin, but it's also possible to move the generator further away from the boat with an extension cord.

If it sounds like I'm being extra cautious here, it's because I, nor anyone else, wants to be responsible for a casual recommendation that costs someone else his or her life!

The ladder on the front of my boat is just a standard under platform telescoping one for swim platforms from Windline with 3 steps. Makes it possible for old guys like me to get off and back on the boat on a beach or trailer.

Windline UP-3X Ladder

Joe.

 

[tsturm]

I just bought a 82 CD classic :thup it has a alcohol stove, i've had some problems with the stove going out and filling up with alcohol. Im scared to live it in the boat.. thinking of replacing with a coleman propane because its cheep, what do you think. Is there a better idea.. checked on a new alch. stove they wanted around 750.00 little broke after buying the boat .please help

I have a 2 burner Origo alcohol stove(non pressurized) I just took out of my 22 that I will get rid of real cheap! email me if you are interested :beer

 

[Captains Cat]

Dan, we had one of those in our 22 that is now sold. It's a great stove, safe and secure! I'd jump on it, it's even in AK!! :wink:

Charlie

 

[tsturm]

I just bought a 82 CD classic :thup it has a alcohol stove, i've had some problems with the stove going out and filling up with alcohol. Im scared to live it in the boat.. thinking of replacing with a coleman propane because its cheep, what do you think. Is there a better idea.. checked on a new alch. stove they wanted around 750.00 little broke after buying the boat .please help

I have a 2 burner Origo alcohol stove(non pressurized) I just took out of my 22 that I will get rid of real cheap! email me if you are interested :beer

& I will be in Anchorage next Tues. 11-6-07. Now we are only 35miles diff

 

[thataway]

The other problem with the Honda 1000 is getting an electric heater which is low enough amperage that it will work. You need a heater which has 600 watts on low setting. That should be enough to heat a 22, in moderate weather. I don't like to run our Hondas when we are underway. So I only use it when we are anchored.

A couple of quotes from the FAQ of the Mr Heater web site:
"If you own a Portable Buddy, you can use it indoors for emergency. The Portable Buddy has a low-oxygen shutoff system and a tip over switch that makes it safe for indoor use."

"Because the heater is a portable device that could be bumped or have something fall on it while it is running, you do not want to let it be used “unattended” this would include going to sleep, leaving the room it is in while on, or putting it in an unoccupied area. This is for safety reasons."

"Temporary Heat For: Barns/Sheds ,Cabins/Shelters,Tents/Campers/RVs."

No where are boats mentioned--and I suspect that this is for some very specific reasons. Perhaps I am overly cautious--but I have treated both carbon monoxide poisonings, and have seen bodies brought into the ER because of carbon monoxide producing appliances in closed spaces.

As Joe, suggests, be safe!

 

[Adeline]

The other problem with the Honda 1000 is getting an electric heater which is low enough amperage that it will work. You need a heater which has 600 watts on low setting.

I agree! Powering an electric heater hour after hour is asking alot, even just 600 watts. And up in Alaska that won't cut it. A wallas 1300 would work great but might be more than you want to spend. Take a look at this. As with any of these combustion based heaters a CO Detector is a must have.

 

[Sea Wolf]

Take a look at this. As with any of these combustion based heaters a CO Detector is a must have.

Pete-

Last week one of these nearly new Dickinson Propane Fireplace 9000 heaters sold on ebay for $471, less than 1/2 the MSRP of $972.54!

Here's the referenced auction: Dickinson Propane Fireplace on ebay


They are available for as little as ~$550 new if you search the internet. $554 HERE!!!Super Price! Usual price runs from $650-$750!


Joe.

 

[thataway]

The propane enclosed heaters are fine if you are only going to be heating a short time. But I personally prefer diesel heaters of some form for long time heating--the cost of BTU is less, and diesel is cheaper. A lot of the heat is "wasted" out the stack of these heaters--and when we had a diesel "Dickinson High seas" we put fans around the stack at the overhead, as well as a reflector, to recover some of this heat which would be lost. The major disadvantage with the drip pot diesels is that they can back draft.

 

[tsturm]

The propane enclosed heaters are fine if you are only going to be heating a short time. But I personally prefer diesel heaters of some form for long time heating--the cost of BTU is less, and diesel is cheaper. A lot of the heat is "wasted" out the stack of these heaters--and when we had a diesel "Dickinson High seas" we put fans around the stack at the overhead, as well as a reflector, to recover some of this heat which would be lost. The major disadvantage with the drip pot diesels is that they can back draft.

With all of my Vast(4 days)Experience with the Wallas Stove / Heater I much prefer it!! :beer

 

[oldgrowth]

Joe - I always know when you have posted photos on a thread before getting to your post. You put two or three photos side by side and it forces us to scroll horizontally to read the post. And I have a 22” monitor with 1680 x 1050 resolution. Would you consider stacking your photos vertically?
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Dave

 

[Sea Wolf]

Joe - I always know when you have posted photos on a thread before getting to your post. You put two or three photos side by side and it forces us to scroll horizontally to read the post. And I have a 22” monitor with 1680 x 1050 resolution. Would you consider stacking your photos vertically?
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Dave

Dave-

Will do. Just recieved another PM from another Brat about the same thing!

Didn't know it was causing problems!

I have a 17" monitor / IMac running Safari, and it shows them fine side to side w/o scrolling, so was unaware of the problem!

Vertical from now on!

(Hope I can stay vertical myself for a few more years!)

See ya' in Seattle!

Joe.

 

[oldgrowth]

Thanks Joe - I always look forward to seeing you at the CBGT/SBS.

You were the first C-Brat I ever met and when I did, I knew I made the right decision when I joined the group and bought a C-Dory.
________
Dave

 

[Sea Wolf]

Dave-

Thanks for the compliment!

Now back to the heating / cooking thread...................

On another post tonight, Dave S mentioned something about staying warm at night at a dock by using not only an electric heater, but also an electric blanket in the v-berth Of course, it would work in the converted dinette berth too!

I don't believe I've ever heard the electric blanket mentioned before here, although I've thought about it a few times myself.

How many others have used an electric blanket on board?

What were your experiences with it?

I think my Great Dane would love one in the v-berth!

Joe.

 

[jkidd]

Heres some 12 volt heated blankets, but they draw 6.7 amps. Might have to add a battery to the boat.
http://www.heatedcarblanket.com/?gclid= ... GgodV0hycg

 

[DaveS]

Joe, when I purchased "Sea Shift" through Les at EQ Marine, I requested that he install an electrical outlet in the V-Berth specifically for the purpose of plugging in an electric blanket. To date that is the only way that outlet has been used. (Nothing like crawling into a preheated bed, when securely moored to a dock in the dead of a PNW winter night).

 

[lloyds]

I have had an origo two burner with oven on a previous boat and although it worked it wasn't a very hot burner, but it was definitely safe. You just have to put up with the moisture. That is when I discovered all alcohol is not created equal. Canadian alcohol was much hotter, and a little less moisture. Prior to that I had a pressurized kerosene. Not safe at all. A leak in the oven burner eventually ignited and almost burned the boat to the water. Since then I used propane. Easy, fast, not overly hot. Then I bought a one burner butane stove for the 16. Way better stove in my opinion. Gets hotter. If it even put out an equal amount of moisture as propane it would still be less because it gets hotter, faster. I have never seen any controlled test results, just opinion.

 

[Sea Wolf]

I have had an origo two burner with oven on a previous boat and although it worked it wasn't a very hot burner, but it was definitely safe. You just have to put up with the moisture. That is when I discovered all alcohol is not created equal. Canadian alcohol was much hotter, and a little less moisture. Prior to that I had a pressurized kerosene. Not safe at all. A leak in the oven burner eventually ignited and almost burned the boat to the water. Since then I used propane. Easy, fast, not overly hot. Then I bought a one burner butane stove for the 16. Way better stove in my opinion. Gets hotter. If it even put out an equal amount of moisture as propane it would still be less because it gets hotter, faster. I have never seen any controlled test results, just opinion.

lloyds-

Glad you brought up the moisture issue! It's a major distraction when using alcohol as a fuel for stoves and heaters!

Alcohol seems to produce more water vapor that other fuels. This is because on the OH (hydroxyl) oxygen/hydrogen combination on the end of the basic hydrocarbon chain. Simple hydrocarbons like propane and butane lack the OH radical that combines with other released Hydrogen atoms to produce extra HOH (H2O). (More than regular hydrocarbon combustion.)

The difference you experienced in temperatures with Canadian and American alcohol may have been attributable to one being methyl alcohol (CH3OH) and the other ethyl alcohol (C2H5OH).

As Tucker says: Keep your lifejacket on! (In case you have to jump overboard during a fire!)

Joe.:smileo