Mixing kerosene and Kleen Heat

dogon dory":2dgpxifz said:
Someone with more energy than me should produce a chart with the pros and cons of the three fuels and get the nerds to put is somewhere for posterity.

Thank you, Dan. There is no way I could produce a document as excellent as your post. About the only thing I would change is one "s" to a "t" in the quoted sentence. Other than that, perfection. And it already is stored and indexed for Mr. Posterity and anyone else wanting to find it. Nevertheless, if some nerd wants to copy your words to a .pdf and upload it to the document section it would make referencing it simpler in the future.
 
Dan---Thanks for the answer on the pump lub and good idea on the changing of just containers. Seems no matter what, when I'am messing with the diesel there's always alittle spill somewhere. Put a 56 gal tank in my pick up just so I wouldn't have to fuel it so often.

Jay
 
Wandering Sagebrush":8azay9gq said:
Dan,

Let me know if you find that source of Kleen Heat at $4/gallon!!!! Home Depot has it at $9 plus here in the Portland area.

Steve

Not this time of year, Steve. But, come spring you can usually get it for less.
 
My understanding of the Wallas is that it is a "drip pot" type of burner. That is that the fuel drips into the combustion chamber and the heat helps to vaporize it, and then it burns. The draft is forced by the fan, and this helps to prevent back drafts, which can be a problem with drip pot stove burners.

One of the potential problem with diesel, is that it may sit in a tank for an unknown peroid of time--so it is best to obtain it from a dealer who has a high volume. The longer it sits, the more likely there is to be contamination from algae. (generic) We have settled on Kleen Heat because there seems to be less smoke and soot--thus our feeling that there is less likely to be sooting up of the burner. We had a full tank of what appeared to be clean diesel in the tank of the CD 25. After about 8 hours of use the stove began to smoke badly. I poured out the diesel and put in Kleen Heat--and almost immediately the stove began to behave properly. I supsect that the diesel was old, even though it looked fine.

I agree about the smell, but having lived with a number of diesel engine boats, where the smell was almost always present, it does not bother us.
I would think that the lubricrity would be a greater issue with a high pressure pump--such as the injector pump in a truck or marine engine, where the pressure is close to 1000 PSI. I believe that the Wallas, is basically a lift pump--and limited to about 3 foot lift. I don't know enough to know if the rate of flow of the fuel is determined by the temp of the burner, or just the flow rate (speed or pulses) of the pump.

Pensacola is a seasonal market for Kleen Heat and in the Spring the price is reduced. I usually buy enough in the spring for the next year.
 
Bob

It is my understanding the wallas rate of flow or burner temperature is determined by the flow rate or pump pulses which is controlled on ours by a one to six setting on the rheostat. These pulse flow rates can also be adjusted for more or less flow on the rheostat by adjusting a tiny screw on the controll board. Found this out several years a go when at 8000 feet on Yellowstone Lake and getting to much fuel for air which was causing poor starting. Called Scan Marine and they explained how I could reduce the flow. Believe target was 42 pump pulses per minute on a six or max setting.

The newer truck diesels have injector pump pressures I believe up to 18000 psi which is why they are much more water and lubricity sensitive and with the ULS diesel the oil refiners have added more lub additives. Being not quite sure if it is enough I add year around stanadyne to help even further with this. Maybe Dan knows if what they do add now at the refineries is enough to protect the new higher pressure pumps and injectors from the ULS diesel. I have read some on this and decided not to take the chance at present with the duramax.

Jay
 
We have used Kleen Heat for about six years, with lots of use of the Wallas, and find it a great clean fuel. Once, in TN, we found it on sale (spring shelf cleaning out) at a Home Depot for $1 a jug. We bought out the whole lot!
 
Here I go with an old topic - - - - -

It is that time of year to replace the K-1 I did not use in the CD25. I have abt 3qts left from the season. I have what looks like 6qts of good K-1 here at home that I'll place in the spare tank.

I have looked for KLEEN HEAT since 2005 here in he Va. Beach area without any success, till today. I found it in the paint department of Home Depot in 120 oz. clear containers for $10.38. (I bought two.) It sure is more expensive than K-1.

Given the long shelf life, I'll top off my second swap-out fuel tank from home if the K-1 burns OK with the KLEEN HEAT after I take it to the boat the next time I go to the marina. I'll empty the old stuff from the first tank and clean it for the next cycle with the plan to use just KLEEN HEAT.

Hopefully this will keep me from requiring any service since it is the original unit delivered with the CD25 in Sept 2004. Maybe I should not have said anything :roll: :roll: :roll:

Art
 
I have used #2 diesel, Kleen Heat (last time I got it at Home Depot it was a gallon Tin and about $7; currently is $11 in stock at local Home Depot.) Way back I got 2 1/2 gallons of "liquid candle" which appeared to be an odorless fuel for lamps, from West Marine for about $6.00 on sale. I used that over several years. None of the 4 Wallas stoves I owned had any problems with fuel. I don't see any major issue with interchanging the Diesel (which I am currently using) with Kleen Heat. I put the diesel from the stove in the RV at the end of each year--and get another gallon when we take the first trip of each year. The pump is a simple pump, and does not need the lubricity which an injector pump for a diesel engine uses. I understand what the guys at Scan say--and I am sure that they are correct--that certain stoves are designed for #2 Diesel and some others for Kerosene or #1 diesel.
 
What are the current thoughts on the shelf life of Kleen Heet? I just found a bottle, that is at least 2 years old. I don't use very much, so this would last another season for sure. I still have half a tank in the boat tank now. It is probably a year newer than the bottle I found.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
I used diesel, kerosene and Kleen Heat in my CD-22. I started with diesel but didn't like the smell if the wind was blowing the wrong way. I switched to kerosene but found it to also have a smell. For the last 8 years (out of 10) I used Kleen Heat. I never had problems with my Wallas but I used it at least 3-4 times a month, year-round. Because of all the negativity regarding the Wallas over the last 10-12 years I was careful never to use Kleen Heat that was more than 2 years old and in the original unopened container.
 
Shelf life. Another reason to use your boat more often in the cooler/cold "off" season. We burn only kleen heat from the home stores mostly for odor reasons and never have any trouble. I just top off the tank periodically with a jug on hand so the relative age of the tank contents should always be less than two years even though the stuff on the shelf is often nearly a year old already. We use the larger, lower profile 10 liter tank which keeps me from feeling like I need a second/extra jug on board.

Greg
 
Please be careful posting about fuels for Wallas products. Wallas builds devices that burn diesel and other devices that burn kerosene. Some can cross the line between fuels and some can't. There are no models specified in this posting/string, so no way to know which devices are being discussed.

Please contact us about your device and the right fuel. Advice is free and available every week day, 9 - 5 PT.

Doug at Scan
 
macmac":16jss1tr said:
Please be careful posting about fuels for Wallas products. Wallas builds devices that burn diesel and other devices that burn kerosene. Some can cross the line between fuels and some can't. There are no models specified in this posting/string, so no way to know which devices are being discussed.

Please contact us about your device and the right fuel. Advice is free and available every week day, 9 - 5 PT.

Doug at Scan

Doug, Thanks for that post. It is probably very good advice that we should be aware of.

I think the most common Wallas in the C-Dory's is the 2 burner, (like the glass top range) with a fan in the cover. I know mine was installed in 2005, and I think it is a 95D. Would you mind posting the preferred fuel for the 2 burner stove/heater combo unit variations (which I think include 95, 88, and 85) Or which ever units you think are the most common it the C-Dorys.

Thanks for considering that, and for your kind offer for phone availability. I know Scan has a great service ethic.

Harvey
SleepyC :moon

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We have used our Wallas 85 for 4 seasons, and from the beginning have used nothing but diesel. We ran our stove nearly every day for three weeks when we were in Annacortes. The stove runs flawlessly. As a precaution, we put in fresh, unstabilized diesel fuel every 2 years. There is only a slight whiff of diesel when we initially start our stove, and thereafter there is no smell. Believe me: my wife would not tolerate fuel smell. Our cabin smells nearly as fresh now as it did the first season. Diesel fuel is cheap and uncomplicated; I'm glad we took Les Lampman's advice to use this fuel over other alternatives.

Rich
 
I have recently noticed that on initial start up of my dual burner 2007 Wallas stove/heater, that there appears to be some visible flames in the pot burner which decrease fairly quickly(within 5 minutes) and the stove then operates flawlessly. I think it is just a slight excess of diesel burning off. I don't know if I just missed this during my first 5 years of ownership, or if it is a recent thing. Very little smell on startup on diesel and none once warm. Have others noticed this on startup, or should I be concerned and send in? I use it regularly while in the water.
 
cbgale":1g519kfw said:
I have recently noticed that on initial start up of my dual burner 2007 Wallas stove/heater, that there appears to be some visible flames in the pot burner which decrease fairly quickly(within 5 minutes) and the stove then operates flawlessly. I think it is just a slight excess of diesel burning off. I don't know if I just missed this during my first 5 years of ownership, or if it is a recent thing. Very little smell on startup on diesel and none once warm. Have others noticed this on startup, or should I be concerned and send in? I use it regularly while in the water.

Since the beginning of using our Wallas stove, there has always been a slight whiff of diesel at start up and thereafter no smell. On another matter, we never start our Wallas on high. In fact we usually are around 35 percent of full heat and leave it there.

Rich
 
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