Looking For What Boat I Need
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Hope this helps regarding a towing vehicle for a 22.
I have a 3.4 V6 Toyota truck. I live in a cul-de-sac which has the steepest hill to negotiate in the whole of the Comox Valley. I have to go up in low gear, 4-wheel drive (stick shift), but it has not been a problem. I also negotiate this hill with full fuel tanks as I keep the tanks topped up for winter hibernation. I have made the trip between Port Alberni and Comox three times. There is a 'pass' to negotiate which is steep and several miles long, again no problems.
I have decided not to push my luck so I do not do long haul trailering with my light truck. I hope to do so in the future if Santa brings me a 5.4 V8. I have been a very good boy Santa. Hope you get to read this (and Andrea)!
Martin.
I have a 3.4 V6 Toyota truck. I live in a cul-de-sac which has the steepest hill to negotiate in the whole of the Comox Valley. I have to go up in low gear, 4-wheel drive (stick shift), but it has not been a problem. I also negotiate this hill with full fuel tanks as I keep the tanks topped up for winter hibernation. I have made the trip between Port Alberni and Comox three times. There is a 'pass' to negotiate which is steep and several miles long, again no problems.
I have decided not to push my luck so I do not do long haul trailering with my light truck. I hope to do so in the future if Santa brings me a 5.4 V8. I have been a very good boy Santa. Hope you get to read this (and Andrea)!
Martin.
Joe's (Sea Wolf) remarks reminded me of my rule-of-thumb about sailboats: in our size-ranges being considered here, an increase of three feet gives you about double the boat. I think that applies pretty well to C-Dorys. I think our present CD16 cruiser is about one-quarter the boat of our former CD22. Such a situation is not a bad thing (I love this CD16 in a way I never did the CD22,) it just is. This is being said by a fan of small, simple boats -- especially those with no holes below the waterline (at least I can see the cockpit drain in a CD!) :lol:
Rod
Rod
rjmcnabb":89se9qfb said:
Rod-
Very true! My Sea Ray 265 is about four times as large inside as my CD-22. Add in the flying bridge and extra seats and space above, and it's even bigger.
Another rule-of thumb about boats:
The larger a boat is, the less it seems to be used.
Corollaries:
The bigger boats is,
A. it doesn't leave the marina as often,
B. it doesn't go traveling on on the trailer as often, and
C. it winds up being used only for overnight stays and/or cocktail parties.
Said differently, the smaller a boat is, the easier it is to use it.
This gets especially truer as you begin to reach into the "golden years"!
Joe. :teeth :thup
Another 22 C-Dory plus. When I told folks I was considering getting a boat many of them came up with the old adage: The two happiest days of owning a boat....... "
That does not seem to be true with the CD. People who are selling genuinely liked their boats and what they did with them. But the time came when things changed, and it was time to sell and move on. But with a bit of sadness and nostalgia.
It was similar with what I was reading about Nordic Tugs, but it has been a bit painful seeing how long it takes to sell a well maintained appropriately priced older one.
That does not seem to be true with the CD. People who are selling genuinely liked their boats and what they did with them. But the time came when things changed, and it was time to sell and move on. But with a bit of sadness and nostalgia.
It was similar with what I was reading about Nordic Tugs, but it has been a bit painful seeing how long it takes to sell a well maintained appropriately priced older one.
RobLL":mgjojpmb said:
Yes, and that probably gives rise to another logical rule-of-thumb about boats:
The bigger and more expensive a boat is, the slower it sells on the market.
And therefore: (in general)
Bigger boats cost more, take more planning to take them out both on the water and on the road, get used less for real boating, are harder to repair and maintain, and, lastly, sell more slowly in the end.
We might add that they are a poorer investment than a small boat, but that hasn't been demonstrated in this discussion (YET!) . :lol:
Joe. :teeth :thup
I had an interesting time on Trawler Forum, most posters seem to have bigger boats. One thread discussed in a good humored manner "What is a Trawler?" The answers included that a recreational trawler is whatever a salesman chooses to call a trawler. Another whatever boat gets used as a trawler. The occasional time a C-Dory has come up the comments were positive.
Many of them have owned a Bayliner at one time or another, most not currently. They all were familiar with them. They had an interestingly positive view of Bayliners in general - did not think they were poorly constructed nor unseaworthy. They did make the point that Bayliner has built a lot of boats over the years and some of the early ones were not so good.
Perhaps the more interesting question raised was why Bayliner has not come up with a simpler pocket yacht with a diesel engine, that emphasized slower speeds, better fuel economy, and simpler systems to reduce maintenance. With their market power they likely could do a very good job at a lower price than others.
All the points in this last paragraph are what appeal to me, and I gather from my reading that even a 22 foot C-Dory requires some maintenance, but likely far less than a Bayliner 2452 or even a 25 foot Ranger or C-Dory.
and a ps - While I intend to most cruise at lowing speeds I really want to be able to get up to 15-20 knots if needed
Many of them have owned a Bayliner at one time or another, most not currently. They all were familiar with them. They had an interestingly positive view of Bayliners in general - did not think they were poorly constructed nor unseaworthy. They did make the point that Bayliner has built a lot of boats over the years and some of the early ones were not so good.
Perhaps the more interesting question raised was why Bayliner has not come up with a simpler pocket yacht with a diesel engine, that emphasized slower speeds, better fuel economy, and simpler systems to reduce maintenance. With their market power they likely could do a very good job at a lower price than others.
All the points in this last paragraph are what appeal to me, and I gather from my reading that even a 22 foot C-Dory requires some maintenance, but likely far less than a Bayliner 2452 or even a 25 foot Ranger or C-Dory.
and a ps - While I intend to most cruise at lowing speeds I really want to be able to get up to 15-20 knots if needed
Some Bayliner models are available with diesels. However this is not a common setup for US boats (according to Bayliner). These boats are usually for Europe or South America "where people are more concerned with fuel economy due to high fuel prices" again according to the Bayliner rep I talked to. Bayliners with diesels have a premium that Americans may not want to pay.
rjmcnabb":358bu0sv said:
Me too. But, last week I had the opportunity to spend a day on a beautiful 22 outfitted with every bell and whistle. Now there's a boat ready and able to go anywhere, economically and in safety and comfort. And, by the way, C-Dorys all come with the priceless advantage of the C-Brats.
Wandering Sagebrush
Free Range Human
ssobol":3fax70s6 said:
It seems like I remember a story about a well dressed woman, with an east coast accent, chatting on the dock about the problems they were having on what she referred to as their 'Bayloser'...
RobLL":2p7djyuc said:
RobLL,
A few years back, when boat shopping, I too thought I wanted a diesel. I have since ended up with 2 boats, one with a 350 V-8 gas engine, 245 hp, the other with a 22-year-old Yamaha 115 outboard. Both are good engines.
One of the items I came across that helped put my diesel envy to rest was this:
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm
If the link does not work, copy and paste it into your browser window and hit "enter" or "return". As near as I can tell, posting such a link does not offend site rules, which are refreshingly sparse. If it does constitute a violation, I expect it will be edited out.
The article is in 2 parts. Make sure you click on the link to reveal "Part 2" near the end of the first page.
Happy boat hunting.
Further reflections on that gas-diesel link. I was out of town, and travel computer not good for typing.
A humorous note is my very old Kubota tractor. It has a diesel which thrives on neglect. I watch oil and anti-freeze, don't let it run out of fuel and it does great. Of course it only has 1200 hours after 30 years or so.
The link above is really useful for understanding a lot of issues on power and boats: how motors are built, why marine engines have different issues than auto engines, safety and what really is dangerous , what makes any engine last a long time, how much varying engines and their uses really cost.
A humorous note is my very old Kubota tractor. It has a diesel which thrives on neglect. I watch oil and anti-freeze, don't let it run out of fuel and it does great. Of course it only has 1200 hours after 30 years or so.
The link above is really useful for understanding a lot of issues on power and boats: how motors are built, why marine engines have different issues than auto engines, safety and what really is dangerous , what makes any engine last a long time, how much varying engines and their uses really cost.
Update: I am now actively in the market. I want a 22 foot cruiser, under 20 years old, and a good single engine, priced near $30K. Oddly enough such a boat was available and sold 15 miles from my home. I was not ready to make a decision at that time.
Some desired features and a few thousand more are welcome, likewise no features and a few thousand less. There are a couple boats upwards of $50K out there which I could buy, but I would prefer not to go that high. The main reason is that boats that highly priced (and with their features they are fairly priced) just don't resell that quickly. I am not ruling out such boats.
ps - I will rework this, and post in the 'boat wanted' forum in a week or so.
Some desired features and a few thousand more are welcome, likewise no features and a few thousand less. There are a couple boats upwards of $50K out there which I could buy, but I would prefer not to go that high. The main reason is that boats that highly priced (and with their features they are fairly priced) just don't resell that quickly. I am not ruling out such boats.
ps - I will rework this, and post in the 'boat wanted' forum in a week or so.