smckean (Tosca)
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https://www.goskagit.com/news/local_new ... ddeff.html
(This is in the San Juan Islands of Washington state.)
(This is in the San Juan Islands of Washington state.)
Lease terminated for Cypress Island fish farm
- Thread starter smckean (Tosca)
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There needs to be a discussion in the state between industry, government, tribes, and people as to what seafoods are best farmed and how. Any and every system has advantages and disadvantages. If Cooke is willing to spend money and produce seafood they can and should be a participant. If they can only produce seafoods by ignoring or breaking regulations and laws they can just go.
starcrafttom
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just a stupid decision. well there goes a bunch of jobs.
RobLL":1fw66lsn said:
If Cook wanted to farm fish in something other than open net pens, like land based farming, they could farm, more easily meet clean environment standards, and provide a bunch of jobs. Of course that would take more $$ out of somebody in Cooks payroll, and they don't want to give up any of those $$$$$$$ to jobs, environment or local community.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Tom: I submit that the stupid decision was granting the leases in the first place. Why give public assistance to an obviously incompetent corporation? This decision is a welcome example of our government acting with courage and authority to protect ALL of us, rather than enabling a few greedy and stupid individuals who have demonstrated they could not care less about you, me, or anyone else in this State. The waters in question belong to every WA resident, not the clownshow running these fish farms. Maybe the displaced employees can find jobs which don't involve major environmental destruction?
Mike
Mike
A problem with oyster farming in Willapa Bay in SW Washington is the large amounts of pesticides to control ghost or mud shrimp. Collateral damage to other marine organisms is high.
Geoduck farming involves protecting 'seed' with plastic pipes.
Nets, notably weighed down with mussels, could be used to grow mussels, oysters, and other sea creatures.
I don't think that there has been a good marketing and scientific study of what could be grown in Puget Sound. There may be fish other than salmon and shell fish which would grow in our water, or tanks near the water.
Geoduck farming involves protecting 'seed' with plastic pipes.
Nets, notably weighed down with mussels, could be used to grow mussels, oysters, and other sea creatures.
I don't think that there has been a good marketing and scientific study of what could be grown in Puget Sound. There may be fish other than salmon and shell fish which would grow in our water, or tanks near the water.
starcrafttom
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Hardee. It's not about lining their pockets its about staying in business. I know that does not meet your evil business propaganda. I am sure that the state not allowing permits to be issued last year to get work done om time ( Seattle times story ) that would have help prevent this in the first place. Sorry but not allowing this business to continue with all new nets and floats based on salacious news stories, lies, political favoritism, price fixing, etc is a crying shame.
Tom: You actually seem to believe that Cooke has the RIGHT to use public waters in any manner it chooses for its business operations. The waters in question do not belong to Cooke, but rather to the citizens of our State. You do understand that don't you?
Now, the State in its wisdom may grant leases or permits for private use (for logging operations, tour boat terminals, fishing, dock construction, marinas, etc.) but the State absolutely gets to set the terms and conditions to protect the owners' interests. Here it was clearly demonstrated by the facts of the initial net failure investigation, by Cooke's many other lease violations (encroachments, inadequate oversight, etc) , and by their attempts to evade responsibility, that Cooke had materially violated the terms of the leases.
Do you believe in contracts? What normally happens in your business when one party flagrantly violates a contract? I personally believe it was damn generous (if not foolhardy) for the State to have granted these leases in the first place. As a longtime and current owner of many businesses I'm confident the State is now doing the right thing, and I'm encouraged that lobbying and political contributions are not preventing swift and appropriate enforcement action.
This is not a case of the government picking on a poor little company. Cooke has shown itself to be an irresponsible corporate citizen who doesn't deserve the PRIVILEGE of doing business in our state. I hope they don't let the door hit their asses on the way out!
Mike
Now, the State in its wisdom may grant leases or permits for private use (for logging operations, tour boat terminals, fishing, dock construction, marinas, etc.) but the State absolutely gets to set the terms and conditions to protect the owners' interests. Here it was clearly demonstrated by the facts of the initial net failure investigation, by Cooke's many other lease violations (encroachments, inadequate oversight, etc) , and by their attempts to evade responsibility, that Cooke had materially violated the terms of the leases.
Do you believe in contracts? What normally happens in your business when one party flagrantly violates a contract? I personally believe it was damn generous (if not foolhardy) for the State to have granted these leases in the first place. As a longtime and current owner of many businesses I'm confident the State is now doing the right thing, and I'm encouraged that lobbying and political contributions are not preventing swift and appropriate enforcement action.
This is not a case of the government picking on a poor little company. Cooke has shown itself to be an irresponsible corporate citizen who doesn't deserve the PRIVILEGE of doing business in our state. I hope they don't let the door hit their asses on the way out!
Mike
Cook and future open net fish farms in WA waters are done.
Good. Good for our environment. Good for our wild salmon populations. Good for the sport fishing industry. Good for the individual salt water fisherman -- even some that think I am falling for some evil business propaganda.
And if it was up to Cook, they would come back with "with all new nets and floats based on salacious news stories, lies, political favoritism, price fixing, etc...." and do it all over again to us. Lining their pockets, paying their employees pennies on their dollar income, and polluting Washington State.
To you Tom, good fishing.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
Good. Good for our environment. Good for our wild salmon populations. Good for the sport fishing industry. Good for the individual salt water fisherman -- even some that think I am falling for some evil business propaganda.
And if it was up to Cook, they would come back with "with all new nets and floats based on salacious news stories, lies, political favoritism, price fixing, etc...." and do it all over again to us. Lining their pockets, paying their employees pennies on their dollar income, and polluting Washington State.
To you Tom, good fishing.
Harvey
SleepyC :moon
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I avoid farm raised fish of any type. I knew nothing about Cooke Seafood Inc., thinking it was some poor small local company--wrong. In 2016 Cooke produced 275,000 metric tons of seafood and generated an estimated USD 1.8 billion. That sounds like a mighty big operation.
AstoriaDave
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Their story. Worldwide operations, longtime aquaculture presence in Canada. These folks should know how to deal with difficult sites. Bottom of this site a world map detailing their locations.
http://www.cookeseafood.com/about-cooke/
http://www.cookeseafood.com/about-cooke/
The Washington State Senate has passed a law phasing out this sort of farming.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... n-farming/
And now excuse my philosophizing. There is a meta-religious sacrament of place. While the famous Chief Seattle speach is heavily mythologized it still remains a powerful mythology of who we are. We here in the Northwest are stewards of the salmon, orcas, clean water, and also honoring the first people (and their descendents) who were here before us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle
Many of us have ancestors going on for 200 years. We do not see that so much as a badge of pride, but as a responsibility to restore 'our place' and hand it off to those who come after us. This feeling is widely shared. It lies behind the push for recognition of the Salish Sea, spending millions on repairing culverts - and yes - salmon almost mysteriously appear after doing those things.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... n-farming/
And now excuse my philosophizing. There is a meta-religious sacrament of place. While the famous Chief Seattle speach is heavily mythologized it still remains a powerful mythology of who we are. We here in the Northwest are stewards of the salmon, orcas, clean water, and also honoring the first people (and their descendents) who were here before us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle
Many of us have ancestors going on for 200 years. We do not see that so much as a badge of pride, but as a responsibility to restore 'our place' and hand it off to those who come after us. This feeling is widely shared. It lies behind the push for recognition of the Salish Sea, spending millions on repairing culverts - and yes - salmon almost mysteriously appear after doing those things.
Fears are justified: This thread about 100% virus infection in the Cypress Island Farm Raised Atlantic SalmonIs an extremely important link which Brent posted in the thread about fishery in the Puget Sound area.
There have been claims that the Atlantic Salmon Piscine Orthoreovirus (PRV), of Norwegian origin would not infect the Pacific Salmon in the wild. This article seems to verify that the PRV virus is a potential thread to the Salmon fishery. There are so many levels, that I feel that this is a threat, and should not be allowed--and this seems to substantiate this.
There have been claims that the Atlantic Salmon Piscine Orthoreovirus (PRV), of Norwegian origin would not infect the Pacific Salmon in the wild. This article seems to verify that the PRV virus is a potential thread to the Salmon fishery. There are so many levels, that I feel that this is a threat, and should not be allowed--and this seems to substantiate this.
Bob, the PRV is addressed tangentially in a previous thread "BC Salmon Farm News"
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... fish+farms
and is one of the reasons that Alexandra Morton is so opposed to the Open Net Fish Farming going on is the waters around Vancouver Island. It is also blamed as the primary reason for demise of the natural salmon in the waters off Norway's coast. I believe there is a link between the PRV virus and the Sea Lice infestation as well.
Health warnings from Norwegian news:
"...a collection of articles, largely from Norwegian newspapers, on the toxicity of farmed salmon, how Norway hid this from the public for years, ..."
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/news_from_norway/
and for a list of nearly 50 links that address the salmon farming go to this page:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alex ... media.html
It is a hot topic in many places, and in Washington it looks like we are beginning to work on the issue -- close down the open net fish farms and then we will have to wait and see if it is too late or if the salmon can come back. In the BC waters, they have a third dimension in their politics. The "First Nations" were never consulted on the use of their waters to use for the farming.
In this page, (Current as of Feb 6, 2018) is the current report on teh situation in Canadian waters:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alex ... index.html
Best to all,
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... fish+farms
and is one of the reasons that Alexandra Morton is so opposed to the Open Net Fish Farming going on is the waters around Vancouver Island. It is also blamed as the primary reason for demise of the natural salmon in the waters off Norway's coast. I believe there is a link between the PRV virus and the Sea Lice infestation as well.
Health warnings from Norwegian news:
"...a collection of articles, largely from Norwegian newspapers, on the toxicity of farmed salmon, how Norway hid this from the public for years, ..."
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/news_from_norway/
and for a list of nearly 50 links that address the salmon farming go to this page:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alex ... media.html
It is a hot topic in many places, and in Washington it looks like we are beginning to work on the issue -- close down the open net fish farms and then we will have to wait and see if it is too late or if the salmon can come back. In the BC waters, they have a third dimension in their politics. The "First Nations" were never consulted on the use of their waters to use for the farming.
In this page, (Current as of Feb 6, 2018) is the current report on teh situation in Canadian waters:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alex ... index.html
Best to all,
Harvey
SleepyC:moon
starcrafttom
Active member
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/
WDFW REFUTES WILD FISH CONSERVANCY’S LATEST ATLANTIC SALMON CLAIMS
its the third article down the page. WFC is a anti fishing group that does NOT want to recover the runs to a point that you or anyone else gets to fish. I have talked to them years ago and they emitted just that to me " off the record" quoting this group is like quoting peta on how to bring back hunting. It is sad that the state has moved to get rid of a industry based on lies and mis information for votes, when we have a chance to work with the industry to come up with really science based solutions that work for everyone. but hey its fing Washington state , what else would you expect. If you feel other wise I really no longer care. Pm me if you most.
WDFW REFUTES WILD FISH CONSERVANCY’S LATEST ATLANTIC SALMON CLAIMS
its the third article down the page. WFC is a anti fishing group that does NOT want to recover the runs to a point that you or anyone else gets to fish. I have talked to them years ago and they emitted just that to me " off the record" quoting this group is like quoting peta on how to bring back hunting. It is sad that the state has moved to get rid of a industry based on lies and mis information for votes, when we have a chance to work with the industry to come up with really science based solutions that work for everyone. but hey its fing Washington state , what else would you expect. If you feel other wise I really no longer care. Pm me if you most.