Is C-dory going out of business? (Short answer - NO)

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kingfish

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I'm interested in purchasing a 2007 19ft Angler. I'll be looking at it this weekend probably. In poking around the internet I see comments about C-dory going under. Is there any truth to this and if so will it effect resale down the road or even now for that matter.

Also....whats a fair price for a 2007 19 ft Angler with pretty much standard equipment.

Thanks for your help and advice >> Kingfish

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My best guess is that the out of business stuff is just plain hogwash, or left overs from the last go around of ownership.

If they did go out of business, I believe the used boats would be more valuable!
 
It is tough time for all boating companies, but there seems to be improvement in the market in the last few weeks, with spring in the air.

I would not worry about C Dory going out of business. Even if the current company were to fail--which is very unlikely, someone would pick up the molds, and the line would continue.

However, remember that a pre Sea Sport boat will have no warantee from the factory. Probably not a lot of newer 19's around. Most folks find out that the 22 is a better match--and many 19 owners move up. Nothing wrong with older boats--and in some respects they may be better buys. Generally C Dories have held their values far better than other boats.

Good hunting--you will love the boat no matter which model you buy. But if you find a decent boat--they don't stay on the market long.
 
Well, depending on how current your information is...

C-Dory Marine sold their assets to Fluid Marine in 2008. Fluid Marine closed up in 2009 and sold the molds and assets to Sea Sport. So in essence, C-Dory has had three different owners in the last two years. Right now, there are not a lot of boats being made... by ANY manufacturer. If you purchase a 2007 C-Dory, it will not have a factory warranty. Not a big deal. The warranty only covered the hull; other items, like the motor, electronics, etc are covered by the various manufacturer of those products. Some warranties are not transferable to a second owner, depending on the item.

SO, if you are buying this from a dealer, see what the dealer is offering as far as taking care of you. If you are buying it from a private individual, it's like "as is." Again, not a big deal. These are great little boats... and like all fiberglass boats, pretty much everything is repairable (if there was a problem). As far as a price, there aren't a lot of 2007 19s out there to get an idea. The hulls generally don't depreciate much, the motor and electronics do. If you go to NADA, you will find that the price they suggest is WAY below what they actually sell for in most cases... unless the seller has no idea what they have. If you and the seller come to an agreement, that's all that matters. If you are really concerned, pay to have a marine survey done on the boat; the surveyor will check the main components and market and generally give you an idea of what (if anything) needs attention and what the replacement value of the boat would be.

You can look through the archives here to see what boats have sold for in the past, but that will vary depending on the equipment, part of the country, and how anxious the seller might have been. It's a fair bet that you will pay more for a 19 C-Dory than most other 19' boats, but more of your purchase price will be returned if/when you sell.

Good luck with your search.

Jim B.
 
I hate to say this...I really do not want him to sell his boat....but...

Steve's boat is a 19' and gorgeous....and it is for sale....the name of the boat is Tee-ten... I don't think you will be able to tell it from a new boat...it is that nice.

Joel
SEA3PO
 
If they did go out of business, I believe the used boats would be more valuable!
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Pretty sure that would be right, at least for folks looking around here on this site :thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
seabeagle":1epnnpgl said:
That sucks. My 2007 16 cruiser that I bought in 2008 has no warranty. What if the goverment buys them? Will they honor it then?
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At the risk of sending this political, the government hasn't rescued any boat manufacturer... car companies and lending institutions go to the head of the list. Cars and banks? Sure, we can live without them... but, boats??? The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and I'm not even sure what a handbasket is. I'll tell you what we need - more bar-b-que places and a boat in every garage... no, make that a boat in every slip. And warranties? Would you willingly sign up for the gov't to work on your boat?? That's all we need - our elected officials messing with our boats. Yeah, well they can have my boat when they pry my cold dead fingers from the throttle. And while we're talking about this, why don't people return their shopping carts to the cart corrals after then load their groceries into their car?? Yeah, we don't have that problem when we load groceries into our boats. So, let that be a lesson to you! :amgry And don't talk to me about soapboxes, 'cause I use liquid soap! And what's more...

Who are those guys and why are they carrying that jacket with the really long sleeves? Hey, watch what you're doing with that needle! Ohhhhhh... that feels... wha was the questi.................................................
 
JamesTXSD":30m0fpst said:
The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and I'm not even sure what a handbasket is.
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OK, Jimbo, just to further your education!

Definitions of handbasket on the Web:

* basket: a container that is usually woven and has handles
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* A basket is a container which is traditionally constructed from stiff fibres, often made of willow. . The top is either left open or the basket may be fitted with a lid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbasket

* A basket with a handle
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/handbasket
 
I had occasion to talk to someone who had recently visited the Sea Sport factory. He said the only boats he saw in production were C-Dories. That has to say something for the popularity of our boats, even in a down market.
 
C-Dory "asset ownership" is a bit of a revolving door. There is a risk in loosing warranty coverage from all but the largest boat manufacturers these days. Even then there is certainly still a risk.

Inspect whatever vessel you buy - showroom or melting in someone's backyard - with a fine tooth comb. Then keep her tip top as best you can and enjoy. I agonized over the lost warranty issue enough.
 
I bought my boat just for the warranty. It is a really good Warranty. It is about 9 pages long, and all written in lawyeerezze. It is on special paper, and when I want a special thrill, or if I have some spare minutes, or a few hours, I get out that warranty, sit back in my recliner and read it, over and over and over and over and ........................... It has special value, :wink it means that , well it means something I'm sure, but the best thing about that long, lawyerezze litany ---- it keeps me from spending time on the water :thdown where my boat might actually get wet, and it might get a dock scratch, or the side stripe might just slide off. :oops: So would I rather have a great warranty, or would I rather go boating, take reasonable care of my boat,. and enjoy it for the rest of my natural born years. :D

I'm for boating. (And really, I bought my boat used, no warranty except that I would have a C-Dory to enjoy being on the water in.) :thup :thup

Harvey
SleepyC :moon
 
Well, I just woke up, wearing that white jacket with the long sleeves that tie in the back. It's not easy to type with your nose. :crook Fortunately, I have some previous experience with this. But, I digress. Let's see... we were discussing 19s, prices, warranties, "Is C-Dory going out of business?", and handbaskets. What a terrific thread this is, melding all this into one discussion.

So, Kingfish, were we able to shed any light on this or did we just muddy the waters? Keep us informed on your decision with the 19. You may have noticed that we can get a little "crazy" about our boats, but that's just the passion showing.

It has been almost a day and a half since I've been out on my boat, and I guess it was getting to me. If I can figure out how to get out of this jacket, I'll be heading out on the boat. Anyone here able to drive with your feet?

Hope you have a sense of humor, Kingfish. Good luck with the boat search.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

(Disclaimer: I'm not a crazy person, but I play one on the forum. Well, it was my turn today.)
 
Day 2 on Lortab...and life is good, lip area healing. Not really where Jim is...but, I have a happy glow.

So, I like playing with numbers.
C-Dory boats for sale...on this site is 22.
C-Dory type boats on the floors of our current dealerships... from a link during the last week or two...were less than this I think??
Average age of boat for sale is 9.9 years old (out of warrantee...so what)
Interestingly, over 27% are 2007 year models. Wonder why? Economy? Age of those owners or health issues? They want a different boat? Humm Just out of kilter with the rest of the numbers...
14 of 22 or over 63% are out of warrantee...
For myself, 2 out of 3 C-Dory hulls were out of warrantee. So what??

Well, I am not sure what...but, I would not slow down one bit to buy any of the hulls out there that do not have a warrantee. These boats are tuff boats, and one of the reasons I bought them.

A thought... If folks do not buy the hulls on the dealership lots now, no new ones will be ordered. No new hulls ordered, no one builds them. No one builds them, well... that ain't good. I think I only know of 2...2 hulls in the last 10 or so years that had hull issues...and both of them were taken care of...and, I think both of them...were built in the 2004-2005 era...maybe? Some lady and her boat the Reynolds them selves ended up with, and one of the Rogers... and he had another hull built.

That said... well, I would not slow down from buying any of the used boats, (only 8 of them on this site would have had any warrantee anyway).. or, from buying any of the new ones on the current dealership lots that do not have a warrantee, or, getting the dealership to have a new one built. My bet is all the dealerships will put out a great deal on the non-warrantee hulls, just to move them out and get back to the new ones built...and the quality of those 2 type of hulls would be basically no different. Small things maybe, but, no real structure issues.

So, let's see where we are 6 months from now... but, if you do not have a boat, go buy one somewhere....and do your part for the industry....this type of boat industry...or, all we will have to choose from are the clorox bottle type they all look the same blow and go boats.

Just a few thoughts., Now, we return to our reguarly scheduled program at this time.

Byrdman


year number % year old
2007 6 27.27% 4
2006 2 9.09% 5
8 36.36%
2005 4 18.18% 6
2004 1 4.55% 7
2003 2 9.09% 8
1997 2 9.09% 14
1992 1 4.55% 19
1991 1 4.55% 20
1990 1 4.55% 21
1988 1 4.55% 23
1985 1 4.55% 26
14 63.64%

AVG 9.909
 
Hi,
Where is the factory input when you need it? I thought they just did a refi with a new umbrella name. Oh well nothing lasts forever. This is starting to sound like the corner of Haight and Asbury. I smell insense and now I can hear the Grateful Dead in the backround. Somebody needs to call home and see if Sea Sports ok.
D.D.
 
I bought my boat seven years ago, it was 15 years old at the time, and the warranty that came with the boat is still in affect. :D
 
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