Hydraulic Steering Selection Advice Please: CD 22 w/90 Honda

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I was just getting ready to install a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5, when I was told that they have all been recalled! And, there are, apparently, no other autopilots appropriate for mechanical systems?

Therefore, I am seeking recommendations for appropriate hydraulic steering for my 1993 Cruiser with a 90 horse Honda. Then, I'll get a compatible autopilot.

Please do not turn this into a discussion board about recalls, or obsolete systems. I simply want suggestions for hydraulic steering that is worthwhile and affordable.
 
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Please do not turn this into a discussion board about recalls, or obsolete systems. I simply want suggestions for hydraulic steering that is worthwhile and affordable.[/quote]

Thanks for taking the time to stop by. We needed someone to give orders.
 
I think if you're wanting to tap into it for an auto pilot then it is SeaStar steering without question. Last I heard the less expensive BayStar won't allow it.

When you order the hose sets with the steering be sure and let them know your plans. They might be able to make it easier for you. I bought my steering system online from Redden Marine in Bellingham. They are very helpful on the phone or email and I chose them initially because at the time they had the best price. Even easier would be to order the works through Les at EQ. He can make it easiest of all for you.
 
WineAdvisor,

Welcome.

Sounds like you've been on a few Internet forums before. Quite a few forums are fairly impersonal, direct and to the point and one does best by tersely stating what one wants and doesn't want; and that's what everyone expects.

The tenor here is, for the most part, a bit more chummy and the majority of posts are fairly conversational, much the way we'd chat leaning up against the gunwale with a coupla beers. And some of us really like that forum manner and are put off with the terse, to the point thing. I think that's the point Akroyd was trying to make; out on a limb here... C-Brats might be a bit slower-paced and amiable than other forums, but we like it. Hope you do too.

I betcha someone here has some sage advice on your topic.

All the best...
 
SeaStar. Had one on a '95 Cruiser. Autopilot - Raymarine S-1000. Have both SeaStar and S-1000 on my TomCat.

Is that to the point enough for you? You'd better not read any more threads, we tend to stray a lot! :mrgreen:

BTW, and I know you didn't ask about wine but, get the red stuff, a good year for me was "Tuesday"...

Charlie
 
tomherrick":1k656md4 said:
WineAdvisor,
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The tenor here is, for the most part, a bit more chummy and the majority of posts are fairly conversational, much the way we'd chat leaning up against the gunwale with a coupla beers. And some of us really like that forum manner and are put off with the terse, to the point thing. I think that's the point Akroyd was trying to make; out on a limb here... C-Brats might be a bit slower-paced and amiable than other forums, but we like it. Hope you do too.

I betcha someone here has some sage advice on your topic.

All the best...
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Tom, I found nothing at all wrong or unreasonable about the request from WineAdvisor, or for that matter his response to the comment about "giving orders". I did however think that akroyd was getting close to straying from the "just be nice" rule.

Just my two cents worth...

Steve
 
Everybody's different. You didn't have any problem with it. Akroyd may have. I don't care either way. Just thought I'd stick my foot in where it wasn't needed. I'll avoid it in future.
 
I'm going to try to avoid turning this into a discussion about how to request not turning it into a discussion about something other than what it's about ... or something.

Get Sea Star hydraulics.
 
WineAdvisor,

Here is what I am currently installing on all new 22' Cruisers, all parts are Teleflex Inc and can be purchased directly from www.fisheriessupply.com:

1) 1.7 Rear Mount Helm model # HH5261
2) 22' Hydraulic hose kit # HO5122

I hope that this information is helpful and don't hesitate to give me a call at 360-393-3283 if you need more information.

Sincerely,

Scott
 
The Teleflex Baystar kit may be exactly what you are looking for. Under $500 on EBAY, make sure it has the HC4645H cylinder.

The Baystar even allows you to fit a second helm station (per a response from Teleflex last week):

Yes, the BayStar helm is fitted with a set of lock out valves, as well as a return port for the second helm. Suggest that you order the following parts for this
· HH4314, helm pump, 1 ea
· HF5502, add a station fitting kit, 1 ea
· HA5430, Oil, 1 ea
· HT5092, nylon tubing kit, 1 ea (this is a 25’ roll of cut to fit tube)

NOTE: You will require three lines from the lower to the upper station. If you feel that 25’ is not enough to complete this, order one of the following tubing kits instead;
· HT5095, 50’ roll
· HT5097, 75’ roll
· HT5100, 100’ roll
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At the risk of being abrupt, why would you want a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5? That appears to be an autopilot for a sailboat with either tiller or wheel steering. How would you mount the wheel drive to the C-Dory steering?

Second, any autopilot with a hydraulic pump should be able to work with SeaStar steering. The autopilot hydraulic pump is merely in parallel with the hand steering pump, which contains a set of check valves. The check valves insure that pressure generated by the hand steering pump go the correct way. From reading centerisland above, it appears BayStar has the same check valve in it's steering pump.

Third, we do have a few people who give terse, concise answers. As has been pointed out above this upsets some people. Others insist on it. Your choice.

Boris
 
journey on":3omiroai said:
At the risk of being abrupt, why would you want a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5? That appears to be an autopilot for a sailboat with either tiller or wheel steering. How would you mount the wheel drive to the C-Dory steering?
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According to the manufacturer, the X-5 is a "modular autopilot system for manual cable steered power boats with laden displacements of up to 4400 lbs". The section in quotes is directly from the Raymarine website.
 
OK, the Raymarine SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot is a rework of the S-1000 which is no longer offered. The SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot now costs
$1500, but includes rate gyros, still no fluxgate compass. They use the same name for the sailboat autopilots, my bad.

The Raymarine ST70 SmartPilot X-10 Hydraulic System appears to be the cheapest Raymarine hydraulic autopilot and costs $2200. Also includes rate gyros and a fluxgate.

No sociological intent, just a comment.

Boris
 
journey on":npsn1d78 said:
OK, the Raymarine SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot is a rework of the S-1000 which is no longer offered.
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I'm sorry, but that does not make sense. Where did you hear / read that Raymarine superceded a wireless hydraulic autopilot with a wired autopilot for cable steering?

The S1000 is the only entry under "Wireless Autopilot" on the Raymarine site:
http://www.raymarine.com/ProductDetail.aspx?SITE=1&SECTION=2&PAGE=1018&PRODUCT=3011

Also, the Raymarine autopilot page:
http://www.raymarine.com/Default.aspx?site=1&section=2&page=5
has 4 featured sections on the right - the only entry under "Multimedia" is "S1000 Installation Video", and of the two "What's New" items, the second one is "S1000 Wireless Autopilot for Fishing Boats up to 25'" (the other is the "Wireless MOB System").

In fact, if I run through their "Autopilot System Builder" and say I prefer a below-deck autopilot, it recommends....the S1000.

I dunno - I think reports of the S1000's death are premature.
 
To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.

Subsequent research, based upon your suggestions, led me to the Teleflex Marine BayStar Hydraulic Steering System. The following url provides extensive details.

http://ww2.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm

A pdf file for helm pump installation is available on their website.

A quick google search showed that the complete kit (HK4200A) can be acquired on eBay or at Amazon at just over $500, including the shipping.[/url]
 
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To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.<stuff clipped>
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What about those who showed restraint and didn't comment at all? No love for the quite ones? :wink:
 
rogerbum":1wlmzlce said:
WineAdvisor":1wlmzlce said:
To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.<stuff clipped>
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What about those who showed restraint and didn't comment at all? No love for the quite ones? :wink:
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Roger, I think he appreciates the quiet ones, not sure about the quite ones.

And me, an engineer too.... :roll:

A new question, if two typos occur in the woods, does anyone notice? :mrgreen:
 
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