how do they handle offshore

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ducati1212

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So I think I have decided on a 22 c-dory angler for next season but still need to sea trial one. I have a few questions that I know have been asked before but here goes.

1) with the flat bottom how do they handle offshore trips. I know they can slap in chop but are they stable in rough seas or does the dory bottom make them less sea worthy than a deep V

2) does the narrow 7.6 ish beam make them handle better or worse than a similar size boat with an 8.6 beam.

Im looking for an economical family / fish boat and these seem to fit the bill perfect.

other boats I am looking at may craft, parker (kinda pricey), eastern, wellcraft coastal, steiger craft (pricey.)

thanks
 
LOL. Go to Youtube.com and search on c-dory. Then there are photos on here somewhere of the Factory guys crossing the bar that are magnificent examples of seaworthiness.

Don
 
Well, here's a post I made when the last person asked how C-doreys handled rough water. It should be equally valid here. By the way you didn't say where this boat is to be used, and I know Ducatis don't float.

We just came downhill off the west coast of Vancouver Isle, and there were some good following seas. The last thing you need to worry about is the low transome. Remember, the C-25 is a light boat and the transome will rise to following waves, including breaking waves. Also since it is a light boat, you have to steer it. Just keep the power on and steer it down the waves. It's a busy trip but fun.

Downhill does well. Uphill is different. Remember where it got its name: C-Dory. So it has a rounded entry, not a deep-v hull. That does have some limitations, but if you accept them it's a wonderful boat. It'll go up a swell and then bounce back; there's no deep-V to cut the swell. If you want to go uphill in steep waves, buy a 26' deep-v hull (Seasport?) and throw 2 ea 300 hp Suzukis on the back. I saw one pass me and it just drove through the swell. The guy was a charter fishing boat and that's how he made his living: getting his customers out in any weather. He was out of sight in 5 min.

The more I use Journey On, the more it amazes me. Its a good handling boat, but remember it's a dory hull not a deep-v. And it's powered accordingly. You can also spend a couple of weeks on it and come out alive. All boats are trade-offs. With C-Dory, you're buying a dory hull. they're seaworthy, but not really fast in rough water.

Boris
 
I love the c-dory in big seas. It takes rollers very well and has a advantage over deep v's. A cd will ride up and over a big wave at a slower speed and remain on plain. this make for a comfortable ride and less banging. A deep v hull has to go faster to stay on plane and in big waves will launch off the top of waves and then slam the back of the next one. If the deep v slows down then it bogs down and the back end gets pushed around. That said I love deep vee's in chop up to two feet.
 
they do not float but if I could get one on the boat it would be twice the fun

the boat will be used in the north east. cape ann to be exact. Going to look at some this weekend in NH.
 
Although a semi dory (C Dory) has relitatively low initial stability, its ultimate stability is very good--and better than a deep V. It will also roll in a beam sea less than an extreme deep v. You are correct that a wider beam will have less roll, and a slower peroid of roll. As Boris notes, the boats do very well down wind/waves in very heavy conditions. But going into seas, they can pound and be wet (since they are water tight, this means only spay over the boat).

Last summer we ran with some 6 to 8 foot steep seas and 30 to 40 knots of wind. This summer we were uncomfortable in our 25 bucking into seas more than 4 feet. At 5 feet we got behind a fishing trawler going 8 knots, and were able to keep up with him--as long as we stayed right on his tail. (This was in a 25--which handles the seas slightly better than the 22).

However, the C Dorys are very safe in seas, and from the standpoint of capsize or swamping that should not be a worry. You will have to work the boat thru the seas, (both steering and throttle). Great boats for near shore (I would consider offshore 50 miles from the coast however).
 
Over 95% of the use of my boat has been in the ocean (26' Cape Cruiser or 26 Venture if you prefer). I've been in water where my top speed was 4 knots and feathering the throttle. If I was to say that it was as good as a Sea Sport in that type of water I would be lying. In nasty water the Sea Sport is far superior. It has never been dire in my boat but it sure has been uncomfortable. Where our boats shine is when we get out to the fishing we have a much more stable fishing platform. When we get back to the dock we have used 1/3 to1/2 the fuel of a deep V. As far as the Factory Guys, they did that on big rollers. If they had done it with wind chop on big rollers then that would be impressive. What makes it tough going out in the Ocean is when you have a short period on the waves with a big wind chop.
Forrest
 
Well, I don't really go 50 plus miles out. But, I do spend 60-70 percent of my boating time outside of the confines of PWS and Resurrection Bay in the Gulf of Alaska. Granted, I pick my days and boat conservatively. But, with that said I have been in some really interesting and completely unplanned stuff with my CD22.

For example, just two week ago, a relative of mine came up for some salmon fishing and we ventured out to Pony Cove near the open Gulf. We left because of deteriorating sea conditions in the Narrow and the Cove. When leaving the safety of the protected cove, I found honest 6-8 foot beam seas on the way back to Seward. Fortunately they were well spaced. Some of the waves were considerably larger with breaking waves on top and with the bow into them and the right speed they were of no issue. I basically had to pick my way through the waves back to port. The boat did just fine. But, with that said, it was not fun. In my humble opinion, there is no questioning the boats will handle far more than the skipper will in most instances.
 
I have been offshore 38 and 42 miles this past month, once on flat calm waters and the second with some wind chop. The CD22 handled fine running to and from the grounds and fished great on the troll. It can handle rougher waters but will pound when running in swells close together and as mentioned several times in other posts, you just need to slow down. I have Yamaha 50's and the fuel consumption is great which makes a big difference when you compare with other offshore craft running 150's or larger. I would consider the trade offs that the CD offers worth the consideration.

Vern
 
no question c-dory is on top of my list I am actively setting up times to go try one out so hopefully it works out. I would love to find a newer used one instead of brand new but even new they are cheap.


I have just been trying to wrap my head around how the hull will handle certain conditions. I am leaning towards a 22 angler because I like the deck space and open back on the pilot house. However it will mostly depend on whats available when I actually am ready to buy which should be around Feb - march.

Thanks for the reply's and keep them coming if you have more to say
 
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