Honda Generator.

flapbreaker

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I'm contemplating the purchase of a honda generator but wanted some input from those with experience. I was thinking the EU1000i would be sufficient for charging the batteries on extended cruising. Is there any reason to buy the higher wattage models? I know someone with a brand new one who is willing to sell it for $599 which looks to be about $100 less than retail. Thoughts?
 
Check out what your specific needs are now and possibly in the future. I know for about $270 more dollars you can upgrade to the eu2000i. It is my personal opinion that this makes for a better all around gen, both on the water and at home in emergencies. If all you'll ever do is charge your batteries - go with the eu1000i. Check out the forum, I know someone earlier dropped in a note as to the watts required for various electronics. It's interesting at the least.
 
Go for the 2000, :thup it's only rated 1700 continuous, the 1000 would be even less and they're the same size. I use the 2000 for a small micro-wave, water heater, 20 amp. batt.charger and a small electric heater. Granted NOT all at once, but we do watch movies on the laptop while the batteries are charging. :wink
Capn Jack
PS. I found sitting it on a throwable cussion helps with the noise. :disgust
 
I chose the Yamaha 1000 watt unit because of size.... it's 28 pounds the 2000watt size weighs 53 pounds.... I won't ever need a water heater or a microwave.... just enough power to charge the batterys and use for lights... for extended nights out.... I use my 22 as a camper on the road too....so having dead batteries is a real possibility.

Joel
SEA3PO
 
SEA3PO":qcy09m96 said:
I chose the Yamaha 1000 watt unit because of size.... it's 28 pounds the 2000watt size weighs 53 pounds.... I won't ever need a water heater or a microwave.... just enough power to charge the batterys and use for lights... for extended nights out.... I use my 22 as a camper on the road too....so having dead batteries is a real possibility.

Joel
SEA3PO


+1 for the 1000 Yamaha, It's quieter :mrgreen: :beer
 
I have a Honda 1000i, and use it to power a small microwave, a 40 amp battery charger, or anything else that runs on about 750 watts continuous or less. It's peak output is 1000 watts, but not continuously.

I love it's small size and weight. 29 lbs. is a lot easier to hoist around than 46.3!

You'd need a 2000i for a small air conditioning unit, a water heater, or anything else that runs between 800-1600 watts continuous, or some combination of appliances that draw that amount of power that you want to run simultaneously.

The 1000i fits in one half of the foot well under the dinette, but the 2000i will probably also fit there, but with less foot room left over.

You just have to be committed to live within the limits of the 1000i to make that choice.

Two 1000i's or two 2000i's can be linked together in parallel to make a 2000 or a 4000 watt generator, respectively, but buying two of eiither of them is an expensive way to get a larger generator capacity. (You can't link a 1000i and a 2000i together in parallel.)

Here's a site devoted to the Honda 2000i genertor that also discusses the 1000i occasionally:

Honda EU2000

Good Luck whatever you decide!

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
We went with the 2000i Honda and have found it to be very useful onboard. If you use the factory 10/5/5 battery charger, you will have to run the generator for a VERY long time to put juice back in the batteries. We use an automotive charger that I hook directly to the batteries for a faster charge... but the alternator on the motor is still more efficient if you are moving everyday. Having said that, like others, we use our water heater and cook with a small toaster/convection oven. I can see that some kind of air conditioning is likely in our future on Wild Blue, and the 2000 will be a good match for that. Not much more money, a little more weight, more versatility. If you don't think you'd be using those other appliances (or a coffee maker, blow dryer, curling iron, etc, etc), the 1000 would be a handy addition.
 
Diana and I went with a Yamaha 1000, but I wish I would have gone for the 2000. This past December, we were with out power at the beach for 6 days, and the 1000 is not big enough to power the refrigerator. It did fine for the pellet stove and lighting, but we had to use my dad's Coleman 2500 for the refrigerator and freezer.

BTW, don't leave fuel in them for an extended period of time (like over a month). The carbs have a tendency to gum up, and it is about $100 for a cleaning if you do not have the skill yourself
 
Sea Wolf":1qmbeycc said:
I have a Honda 1000i, and use it to power a small microwave,
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Joe, please tell me the specs on your microwave...we have the 1000 and hoped to power a microwave but it doesn't have enough initial "umph" to get over the hump!

Otherwise, I'll offer our 1000 to flapbreaker and go get a 2000! :D

Thanks,
Caty
 
CatyMae n Steve":1y25luax said:
Sea Wolf":1y25luax said:
I have a Honda 1000i, and use it to power a small microwave,
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Joe, please tell me the specs on your microwave...we have the 1000 and hoped to power a microwave but it doesn't have enough initial "umph" to get over the hump!

Otherwise, I'll offer our 1000 to flapbreaker and go get a 2000! :D

Thanks,
Caty

Caty-

I'll get the specifications tomorrow when I can get out to the RV Barn and look at one of the units. I have three microwaves of that size, one in the C-Dory, one in the pontoon boat, and another in the Sea Ray. I think they're different brands, but all made by the same company in China.

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
Caty-

The microwave on the pontoon boat is a Sharp R230KW 800 watt 0.8 cubic foot unit. The generator can handle it OK. In fact, you can use a 1000 watt unit at a reduced power level, then go back to the higher level when on shore power.

Here's a SEARCH for the Sharp unit.

Here are some other units that can do the job with the Honda 1000i:

SHARP R-55TS WARM & TOASTY TOASTER AND MICROWAVE

HAIER AMERICA TRADING MWG7047TW 0.7CF 700W MICROWAVE

HAIER 900 WATT 0.8 CU. FT. MICROWAVE OVEN (Use this unit at a reduced power setting.)

Hope This Helps. I'll check out the other two boats when Im up at the lake and down in the marina.

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
Hmm--I thought I put up a post before I took Marie to our 30th anniversary dinner...

Anyway, we own a 1000, a 2000 and a 500 (30 years old and still running)
We use the 1000 on the CD 25 for battery charging and running the WalMart Artic King 5,000 watt air conditioner. We use a 30 amp charger on the 1000. It will not run our 900 watt microwave (but a 1500 watt inverter will). The problem is that the 900 watt microwave takes 1000 watts input. We may change out the microwave...but no big deal.

The 2000 will run the water heater, microwave 1000 watt, 8300 BTU Airconditiner and the 40 amp battery charger on the Tom Cat 255.

We went with the 1000 for the CD 25, because we were concerned with the weight (28 lbs vs 46). The 1000 is definately smaller. The noise is about the same on both.

If I was to have only one, I would go with the 2000, if the weight was not an issue. Because it will heat the water heater and charge the batteries at the same time....If that is important.
 
Another word for the wise. Although portable generators appear to be as resistant to the weather as your outboard motor, don't forget to read the manual about the dangers of electrocution. It isn't a good idea to leave them out in the elements without a cover and never operate them in the rain.

Some of the Honda and Yamaha models have sine wave inverters, which means that you can run your laptop or sensitive electronics.

The idea of two hooked up in parallel also increases their usefulness in the event of a power outage at home. I've used my Honda 3000 to run the refrigerator and a couple of lights more than once.

Happy shopping!
 
I bought mine from Mayberry two years ago for under $1000.00, but since then I understand Honda caved in to their retailers and put a lid on "On-Line" sales. Been a while, but last time I looked the site advised me to contact my local Honda distributor. :sad
 
Wise Sales and John Hayes both on the net. Wise right now will deliver double boxed and shipped for $879 to Oregon. Not sure on what it would cost for your state.
 
hmmmm...the GE 700 watt microwave trips the Honda 1000 before it can start it up -- but I didn't know/didn't look for a "reduced power level" switch -- we'll look into that and see if it has one!

Flapbreaker, if you can hold on a couple days til we can get to the microwave to make an inspection -- might be making you an offer instead :thup

Caty
 
Here's a strategy to deal with the use of a microwave on your boat:

Rather than have a large generator on board that can instantly handle the load, install a relatively inexpensive inverter that can supply the higher wattage level from your battery reserves, then use the smaller generator to replenish the battery reserves spent, over a longer recharge period.

Using this idea, one could have a 1200 or 1500 watt microwave powered by a suitably sized inverter, and still get by with the small Honda 1000i (or an even smaller older version) generator.

The small generator plus the inverter are cheaper or no more expensive than the larger generator, and the smaller generator is easier to transport and use, and can more easily be shared between multiple boats and RV units.

You can even use your outboard motor to recharge your batteries, eliminating the generator altogether.

Of course, this won't work if you want to run a water heater instead, as the total power draw over the longer heating period would be too great for the battery reserves.

I use this system on my C-Dory and pontoon boat, using the Honda 1000i or the outboard to recharge on the C-Dory, and only the outboard motor on the pontoon boat. On my Sea Ray, I just use the Honda 1000i plugged into the Shore Power inlet to run the microwave. I'll have to check to see how many watts that unit draws.

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This brings up a whole bunch of issues about how electrical power is developed and used on a boat. Here's my overall strategy and components:

I like plenty of battery reserves and multiple recharge sources and alternatives.

1. The first element is a large battery system with plenty of reserve power.

I prefer not to divide the batteries up for specific functions (engine start, house, special use), and instead just to have one big battery bank of four batteries able to be linked in parallel, using four group 27's with a total capacity of 420 AH. This big combined reserve bank eliminates the need for battery isolators, combiners, voltage sensitive relays, and any other complex and trouble prone systems that few of us understand or can fix!

2. The second element is multiple recharge sources, specifically the outboard engine alternator, a portable generator, and Shore Power combined with a large powerful battery charger.

The engine alternator will be the most commonly use source, with the generator usually coming into play when we have heavier power consumption with the boat at rest, and the Shore Power system is a free lifeline to the good life of electrical fulfillment! The large charger (say 40 amps or so) works both on Shore Power to quickly charge batteries, and also works with the generator to allow the full 120 volt output to be used, as it is about 10 times as powerful as the 12 volt output directly available on the generator. The generator can always be started, of course, and serves at the ultimate backup power generator and battery recharger

3. The next element is the inverter. This allows the creation of 120 volt power without the use of the generator or the Shore Power connection. It's quick, simple, and dirt-free! Plug into it and turn on your appliance! Works with most things you will use on board except a water heater or anything else that draws big amps over a long period. Allows you to use large wattage appliances like a microwave, then replace the charge on the batteries with a smaller generator or the outboard motor. The inverter adds a lot of flexibility to the electrical system.

4. The fourth element is simply a well thought out and installed Shore Power distribution system into which all the above can be integrated. This is a subject in itself, discussed elsewhere, of course.

****The above is my own opinion and a description of how I operate electrical equipment on my boats. YMMV!!! Be careful to think all of this out on your own and be comfortable with whatever you come up with yourself. Different people have different needs and need different solutions. Good Luck with your own system.

Joe. :thup :teeth
 
CatyMae n Steve":1ttmwynv said:
hmmmm...the GE 700 watt microwave trips the Honda 1000 before it can start it up -- but I didn't know/didn't look for a "reduced power level" switch -- we'll look into that and see if it has one!

Flapbreaker, if you can hold on a couple days til we can get to the microwave to make an inspection -- might be making you an offer instead :thup

Caty

No worries. I can wait.
 
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