I have recently changed career paths and have purchased a business in which I will be using a Frieghtliner M2 daily. After some research and claims of great mileage impacts I am adding an HHO aka "brown gas" hydrogen generator to this truck. Some claims are as much as a 40% increase in mileage. I'd be happy with a lot less than that, even as much as 5-10% will save me thousands over the life the truck. I'll be picking up the truck in Las Vegas the weekend of the 21st and driving it back to Oregon. I'll report back real world results for that weekend. One tank with the system running and the next tank without the system running. This will be an early indicator as to how the system is affecting the truck. Anyone who has experience with an installed system please feel free to chime in. I know if the claims are even close many of us that have trucks, trailers, motorhomes, larger vessels, etc may really benefit from this technology.
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HHO (Brown Gas) modification
- Thread starter bshillam
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I'm assuming that this system is using charged SS plates to generate hydrogen, I've sold hundreds of SS plates (especially when gas was over $4) to inventors as well as DIY guys. I've heard stories of damaged 02 sensors, idiot DIY's catching their garages on fire because they wanted to see how flammable the hydrogen was.
Also heard of increases up to 65% in fuel economy.
Sales of SS plates stopped shortly after gas went to $2.50.
Also heard of increases up to 65% in fuel economy.
Sales of SS plates stopped shortly after gas went to $2.50.
This "technology" has been around since the 30's. If it works, I suspect that every vehicle on the road would have it installed. The energy to split hydrogen and oxygen from Water is equal to or more than energy derived. "free" energy from the alternator? Think again.
It would be very nice to see some real objective tests--but I believe that they have been done in the past.
Good driving.
It would be very nice to see some real objective tests--but I believe that they have been done in the past.
Good driving.
Technology has it's place and certain people know certain things. Let me begin my point,
The best motor oil you can put into an engine is 100% synthetic. The best out on the market has the highest level of detergents available. From the factory and afterwards quite a few motors still don't have synthetic oils. These increase engine life, increase mileage, and help to save the environment. Why do we not have this in every vehicle running down the road? Because most consumers haven't educated themselves on the technology and the benefits. Why? Because most people don't take the time to understand what they don't know.
I could go on about running diesels on veggie oil as well. But I'll leave that for another conversation.
There are three reasons why these advances aren't widely understood, accepted, and practiced.
Auto manufactures
Oil companies
Auto dealers and the independent repair shops
If we apply all the technology we have right now today we would readily have cars that get over 100 MPG, or would have the choice to drive cars that use alternative energy sources. The reason these are not available right now, see the reasons above mentioned.
Directly from a consumer of this product they are reporting a 40% increase in mileage. Yes this is a professional system that uses 100% stainless steal plates. The system alone is over $5,000.00 (not including labor).
I will be objective in reporting the results to the C-brats. Stay tuned for the results beginning in late August!
The best motor oil you can put into an engine is 100% synthetic. The best out on the market has the highest level of detergents available. From the factory and afterwards quite a few motors still don't have synthetic oils. These increase engine life, increase mileage, and help to save the environment. Why do we not have this in every vehicle running down the road? Because most consumers haven't educated themselves on the technology and the benefits. Why? Because most people don't take the time to understand what they don't know.
I could go on about running diesels on veggie oil as well. But I'll leave that for another conversation.
There are three reasons why these advances aren't widely understood, accepted, and practiced.
Auto manufactures
Oil companies
Auto dealers and the independent repair shops
If we apply all the technology we have right now today we would readily have cars that get over 100 MPG, or would have the choice to drive cars that use alternative energy sources. The reason these are not available right now, see the reasons above mentioned.
Directly from a consumer of this product they are reporting a 40% increase in mileage. Yes this is a professional system that uses 100% stainless steal plates. The system alone is over $5,000.00 (not including labor).
I will be objective in reporting the results to the C-brats. Stay tuned for the results beginning in late August!
There are three reasons why these advances aren't widely understood, accepted, and practiced.
Auto manufactures
Oil companies
Auto dealers and the independent repair shops
Case in point...
Harley dealers were forever blasting the thought of (owners) using synthetic oils in their engines...UNTIL...they had their name on the quarts...now it's RECOMMENDED by the dealers because 1) It has their name on it. 2) It generates more profit than regular oil with their name on it. 3) It's BETTER for the engines. (In that order)
David_in_TX
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This idea violates the first law of thermodynamics.
"More energy is therefore required to drive the electrolysis cell than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture"
No matter what they claim or what "new" technology is invented, there is no way to get any more energy out of water. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from on form to another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car#Electrolysis
"More energy is therefore required to drive the electrolysis cell than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture"
No matter what they claim or what "new" technology is invented, there is no way to get any more energy out of water. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from on form to another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car#Electrolysis
A spokes person from the American Automobile Association is quoted.
I rest my case.
While I appreciate the read I'll wait to see the actual evidence of practical use. Rudolf ran his original design off peanut oil of all things. While I'm not a scientific major I do know that Hydrogen is one of the most abundant sources of energy. Does anyone have direct experience please feel free to chime in.
I rest my case.
While I appreciate the read I'll wait to see the actual evidence of practical use. Rudolf ran his original design off peanut oil of all things. While I'm not a scientific major I do know that Hydrogen is one of the most abundant sources of energy. Does anyone have direct experience please feel free to chime in.
David_in_TX
New member
I learned this in college chemistry. All chemical equations must be balanced. How much more direct experience is there than that?