Hey RedFox + CC!

Redƒox":3n2r0x2t said:
However, taking down the link to "RedFox" is a bad choice because it serves to aid the two groups in a bridge to fellowship with the friendly Brats, and also gives the proud new owners of the latest Toland craft, a recognizable place to go!

Yes, the "official" front page link on the C-Brats to your site has been removed, Greg. It was a decision agreed to by both Mike and me.

As anyone can see when visiting your site (link here), you've chosen to become the de-facto Cape Cruiser site, and are promoting them heavily. I'm far from faulting you, Greg - I think it's great that somebody took up the task, and I'm sure you and Larry will do a fine job helping Cape Cruiser owners build an online place they can call home.

However, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the C-Brats is a C-Dory and C-Dory owners site. Folks that disagree with that philosophy can either accept it while participating at the C-Brats, participate elsewhere, or start their own site with whatever focus they like. And this isn't some heavy-handed mandate by two controlling "Poobs"...as has been stated numerous times by our membership, publicly and privately, that's how the vast majority of the C-Brats want the site to be. Just as importantly, that's how Mike and I like it, and it's what provides the incentive for us to put in the effort it takes to keep this place going.

As such, we don't provide front page links to Arima, Boston Whaler, Parker, or any other site where the primary focus of discussion/content is not C-Dory. Cape Cruiser is no exception. We're not a Cape Cruiser site. We don't promote the boat. We never will. Sorry if that sounds blunt or harsh, but stating it nicely doesn't seem to be sinking in with folks who insist on trying to change our focus here.

As is the case with any member at our site, you are more than welcome to link to your site using the WWW button in your C-Brat profile, or via links in your posts. Additionally, as Cape Cruiser questions pop up down the road, we have no problem with you or anyone else directing potential or existing Cape Cruiser owners to your site. In fact, I'll be making a practice of it - I'd rather the discussion take place over at your place, so we can maintain focus on the boats and people this site was created for - C-Dory and C-Dory owners.
 
Yep. The fact is, I can't keep up with all of the C-Dory news that goes on here (what with that pesky job and all). I hope there aren't any hard feelings, but I happen to agree with Bill and Mike on this.
 
been following this site for a couple of years ... you have a group of C-Dory owners promoting a C-Dory site to compare notes, gear and trips and experience's with their C-Dory boats ??? so what ??? keep on track ....

the C-C thing ... you have a chap who sold his business to a group which appears to have worked hard and promoted a good product and support system jumped in and answered questions brought out on this site ... now the chap who sold is back flogging a boat (a basic copy cat leaning to the higher end market and i would think higher profit per boat) well i think the site should stay focused on C-Dory's and the people who buy them .... as polictically incorrect as that may be ... wc
 
So be it! Thanks, Mike and Bill.

And I still consider myself a good friend and promoter of Greg and all he stands for and the fun we've had over the years. Don't ever want to lose that. He's as unique and as much fun as they come.

Bringing up past disagreements is always difficult, hard to do objectively, and would usually not appear to be useful.

I wish the Cape Cruiser owners the best with their new site, and hope they still listen in on our fun forum.

Time to get on now with busisness as usual.

Joe.
 
Well said Bill, Mike, Joe......now, in the C-Brat tradition...
The other day I noticed my anchor rode was rather stiff so I busted out a large cooler and some laundry soap and gave the thing a good washing. I'll bet the windlass will appreciate a more limber rode. I suppose a person should try to wash that thing about once a year.
 
hey, I just got done mowing the grass.....stupid grass grows so fast this time of year. The Honda twins with the 13" pitch props do a fair job of mowing, some of the corners are a bit tough to make though
 
B~C":2gtgkc96 said:
hey, I just got done mowing the grass.....stupid grass grows so fast this time of year. The Honda twins with the 13" pitch props do a fair job of mowing, some of the corners are a bit tough to make though

Well, all you need to do is do that paddle wheel conversion. You'll get a more level cut throughout the entire yard and can take bigger swipes. :lol:
 
the C-C thing ... you have a chap who sold his business to a group which appears to have worked hard and promoted a good product and support system jumped in and answered questions brought out on this site ... now the chap who sold is back flogging a boat (a basic copy cat leaning to the higher end market and i would think higher profit per boat) well i think the site should stay focused on C-Dory's and the people who buy them .... as polictically incorrect as that may be ... wc




Get your facts straight before shooting your mouth off. I Mark Toland sold some of my company assets to the C-Dory Marine Corporation. None of the owners of Cape Cruiser were stockholders in my company. And I have no stake in the CC Company.
 
Mark, thanks for the clarification. For those that are interested in the history, you can find it Here

Mark, I apologize for the ready, shoot, aim mentology of some of us. Too bad those folks couldn't spend the little time required to go back and look at the hisory before spouting off.
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On edit: As someone famous pointed out to me

"Check the shooter's profile. He doesn't even own a C-Dory. Grrrrrrr "
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You did a great job with the C-Dory, we are all in your debt.

Charlie
 
Charlie is very correct about the job you did with the C-Dory. I greatly admire your work, too. In fact I have a piece of it that I could sell for more than it sold for new. Nevertheless, Mark Toland, speak nicely on our forum whether the target of your anger is shooting his mouth off or not.

Thank you.

Mike
 
ya RB, that paddle wheel setup would do a fine job, do you have any blueprints?
Anybody know how to get 200' of line spliced to 20' of chain unstuck from a dryer?
 
This is the only topic that I have seen on this site that sets everybody off so much. Propellers are always good for a round of wild conversation, but not this rabid "can't talk about that" bickering that breaks out every time some joker tosses a CC comment in. What's up?

C-Rangers are Ok, so are gigantic tugs that can barely be hauled down the road. Cell phones, San Juan’s, and recipes are all open for conversation. Toss in a comment about a near clone of the boat everybody on this site likes and folks start foaming at the mouth. It’s like a religious fervor. Choose your cult and live or die by it. How come?

I have enjoyed this site for a couple years now. It is a great site with a huge amount of information. There are several topics on the site that don’t interest me. I don’t read them. I don’t foam at the mouth and call them blasphemous for mentioning a censored word. Greg also has a lot of great information on his site. Almost all of the information is very helpful to C-Dory owners in particular and other boaters in general.

Why doesn’t everybody relax, drink a sundowner and watch the pretty waves go by the boat. Life is too short for this kind of insanity.

Just my 2 cents. :P

Robert
 
...bickering that breaks out every time some joker tosses a CC comment in.

I understand how it could appear that way, but it needn't be. Talk about Cape Cruisers all you want. What invariably happens is someone tosses out in reply a bomb of some sort hoping, or at least knowing it is going to blow up. This particular instance it was immediate. A topic cannot explode unless someone wants it too. Me - I like the no rules feature here, but the no-holds-barred crap is getting old fast.
 
robert":3h0am7mg said:
This is the only topic that I have seen on this site that sets everybody off so much. Propellers are always good for a round of wild conversation, but not this rabid "can't talk about that" bickering that breaks out every time some joker tosses a CC comment in. What's up?

...

Why doesn’t everybody relax, drink a sundowner and watch the pretty waves go by the boat. Life is too short for this kind of insanity.

Just my 2 cents. :P

Robert

I think it has to do with the passion the owners have for these boats. Folks participate here because of that shared passion. When a product comes on the market that is SO close, it is easy to see how some think it's a "me too" thing (even if the original designer(s) had a hand in it). My personal take is that there is room in the market for both. But, for those of us who have invested our efforts and $$ into a C-Dory, we want to keep this owner's group about our boats. I mentioned in another thread here that you won't see Harley-clone motorcycles being a part of the Harley Owners' Group. That's certainly not being exclusive; this site allows anyone (regardless of boating race or creed :wink:) to partake of the information and comraderie here. While it may have as much to do with human nature (protect what we have) as boat brand, owners here feel somewhat protective about this place; it is special. Owners of other brands (however similar) certainly think they made the right buying decision. If CC owners (or any other brand) could put together a great site like this, what do you think the response would be if C-Dory owners participated and said, "Our boats are better; we made a better buying decision"? Those may not have been the exact words, but that is the feeling conveyed. I don't see it as ugly, derisive, or even bickering - this is the "Home for C-Dory People", not the "home for boats that look a lot like our boats." They're all good. We all love our boats. Let's toast each other with that sundowner... and understand what makes an owners' group.

Best wishes,
Jim B.
 
I'm sorry :oops: :oops:

I didn't think a wild-fire would start from that little post I made. Please don't be mad at me :oops: Certain people have certain feelings, and most importantly, different opinions. It's also certain that there will be people who will disagree with another in any setting and I just don't want to be in any end of it. I now just want to lurk like a chameleon from now on and enjoy what this forum has to offer. The 'no-rules' rule really sets this website a little different and in many ways more open than other sites. From all of your posts, I guess I understand your points and where you all stand. So, I'll just give mine. I don't have any, I'm going to be a lurker from now on!

I'm sorry :oops: :oops:
 
I now just want to lurk like a chameleon from now on...

Naw, you really ought to stick around. The immediate bomb I was referring to was not the opening of this thread, but the first reply to the fine folks who just wanted to tell us on their own thread they bought a new Cape Cruiser. There really is a chance they are nice people, but they didn't get an opportunity to show it because someone felt the need to warn them that some of the rest of us might not be. Then a couple pages of crap later gets to say "told you so". If there is a fuse, and it gets lit, usually what is on the other end of it makes some noise. The really confusing part of it is, the ones who just want everyone to be nice catch hell for it.

So please, Fish Mode, say whatever you want. But if someone starts beating you up for it, just quit reading that particular topic. And by all means, don't blame me.
 
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