Factory option suggestions for new boats
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One of the best things our 22 has going for it is it's simplicity.
Wish list follows.
Find ways to push weight forward. Saddle fuel tanks and water tank in the bow. Bringing the batteries forward?
An expanded factory wiring harness to support how we outfit our boats..
This may be a stretch but an engine bracket with flotation to keep the boat in balance would really open up the cockpit.
Wish list follows.
Find ways to push weight forward. Saddle fuel tanks and water tank in the bow. Bringing the batteries forward?
An expanded factory wiring harness to support how we outfit our boats..
This may be a stretch but an engine bracket with flotation to keep the boat in balance would really open up the cockpit.
Barry Rietz
New member
How about replacing the"balsa core" with "Airex or Kledgecell" rigid foam when laying up the hull. Additionally the use of minimum thickness foam in cabin and deck overhead to eliminate the condensation would be well received.
the one thing that I would like the factory to provide would be just a helm bulkhead. like the classics or the 16 cruiser. only the helm side. open up the port side to better access the v-berth and also would give a little extra length on that side for taller people to stretch out in the berth. more head room.
the new Marrinaut that Les is building is configured this way.
the new Marrinaut that Les is building is configured this way.
starcrafttom
Active member
Lot's of great ideas here. Here's my list with a lot of the same as mentioned.
1. LED lights for the interior and anchor lights. I left out running lights because, well your running and the engine is charging so whats the point.
2. A choice of a alcohol stove and a separate heater with vents to the vberth and windows
3. three windshield wipers with a separate switch to the passenger side
4. Side saddle tanks instead of the current tanks. This can be used to correct several things. More storage, built in steps, and a bigger shelf to put things in the cockpit. It would also move some weight forward. I love what Dave did on his 16 and later on the new boats.
5. A raised radar arch. You cant really order one you have to get one made. no reason to reinvent the wheel if it was a standard option and was ordered for 50% of the boats made the cost would be lower.
6. wire the front rail for a spot light. Much easier at time of installing the rail then later, trust me on this.
7. more water some where and maybe not all in one tank??? I have a hard time with getting the bow up in the 27 when I put on 20 gallons of water but low on fuel. I don't know what 20 gallons in the bow of the 22 would do to balance. maybe ten under the table and 10 under the drives seat or kitchen.
8. standardized wiring harness and pvc pipe channel for running more wires later. Again some easy to install while building but impossible later.
9. deeper sink and better faucet. A electric water pump.
10. As a upgrade plastic teak and sole rear deck and interior floor.
11. a better cover for the wiring behind the helm. What is being used today?
12. Yes please move and inset the rear cleats forward a few feet.
I will think of more latter.
1. LED lights for the interior and anchor lights. I left out running lights because, well your running and the engine is charging so whats the point.
2. A choice of a alcohol stove and a separate heater with vents to the vberth and windows
3. three windshield wipers with a separate switch to the passenger side
4. Side saddle tanks instead of the current tanks. This can be used to correct several things. More storage, built in steps, and a bigger shelf to put things in the cockpit. It would also move some weight forward. I love what Dave did on his 16 and later on the new boats.
5. A raised radar arch. You cant really order one you have to get one made. no reason to reinvent the wheel if it was a standard option and was ordered for 50% of the boats made the cost would be lower.
6. wire the front rail for a spot light. Much easier at time of installing the rail then later, trust me on this.
7. more water some where and maybe not all in one tank??? I have a hard time with getting the bow up in the 27 when I put on 20 gallons of water but low on fuel. I don't know what 20 gallons in the bow of the 22 would do to balance. maybe ten under the table and 10 under the drives seat or kitchen.
8. standardized wiring harness and pvc pipe channel for running more wires later. Again some easy to install while building but impossible later.
9. deeper sink and better faucet. A electric water pump.
10. As a upgrade plastic teak and sole rear deck and interior floor.
11. a better cover for the wiring behind the helm. What is being used today?
12. Yes please move and inset the rear cleats forward a few feet.
I will think of more latter.
starcrafttom
Active member
13. use the splash well as a fish box/ storage box /set. I did this in my 22 and it was one of the best idea I every had. You can look in my album for photos. very useful for so many things.
The main reason I like my 22 Cruiser is it is a KISS boat. I agree with the idea of moving weight forward. To wit:
Saddle tanks port and starboard with steps for easing boarding. Aim for 30-35 gal per tank.
Electric (pantographic) wipers for all three windows, including the center opening one. Momentary and intermittent switching, and passenger side control included
A pre-made, and pre-labeled, standardized wiring harness that would cover pretty much all possible future wiring needs.
Possible cubby for an air head, entered from the cockpit, maybe, port side intrusion into the cabin space. Area might double as an enclosed shower area. Saw this on an aluminum (hewes or such), and liked the idea except it cut out the visibility to that quarter from the helm. Would need to figure that one.
Just some thoughts.
Harvey
SleepyC
Saddle tanks port and starboard with steps for easing boarding. Aim for 30-35 gal per tank.
Electric (pantographic) wipers for all three windows, including the center opening one. Momentary and intermittent switching, and passenger side control included
A pre-made, and pre-labeled, standardized wiring harness that would cover pretty much all possible future wiring needs.
Possible cubby for an air head, entered from the cockpit, maybe, port side intrusion into the cabin space. Area might double as an enclosed shower area. Saw this on an aluminum (hewes or such), and liked the idea except it cut out the visibility to that quarter from the helm. Would need to figure that one.
Just some thoughts.
Harvey
SleepyC
Certainly a number of interesting suggestions. However, I believe that the current builder does not own the molds (Pays a fee for the use of the molds for each hull). We don't know what the terms of any agreement is, but if a new deck mold (to change the splash well for example, and put in a solid transom, this would be an expensive proposition--and might require a substantial number of pre-ordered boats. When you change the motor position, even with extending the hull, it will change the dynamics of the boat's handling. Putting more weight in the bow, may help to get the boat on a plane faster, and get the bow down for a better ride in chop (trim tabs and a Permatrim will do the same, but avoid the dangers of having too much bow down trim in following seas. Moving fuel tanks also have dynamic trim consequences--and the builder would have to experiment with the effect of the boat's handling.
Standardization of the wiring is certainly desirable--but it is very easy for a dealer, or owner to add an additional fuse block and switches--to accommodate his needs. Tom's suggestion of a pre-wiring for spotlight is good, and should be an option--since there has to be a hole drilled in the stanchion base, along with a hole under the bow pulpit for the wire's exit--grommets need to be around these holes, and the wire run, as the pulpit is installed--or course all of these holes in the deck should be epoxy lined--and that is probably not going to happen.
Barry, I believe that all boats are now foam cored.
If batteries are in the living space they are going to have to be AGM--also take up storage room, and more expensive cables run to the engines for the starting power.
Many of the ideas do lend to easily done options--and more profit for the company (more expensive boats).
Standardization of the wiring is certainly desirable--but it is very easy for a dealer, or owner to add an additional fuse block and switches--to accommodate his needs. Tom's suggestion of a pre-wiring for spotlight is good, and should be an option--since there has to be a hole drilled in the stanchion base, along with a hole under the bow pulpit for the wire's exit--grommets need to be around these holes, and the wire run, as the pulpit is installed--or course all of these holes in the deck should be epoxy lined--and that is probably not going to happen.
Barry, I believe that all boats are now foam cored.
If batteries are in the living space they are going to have to be AGM--also take up storage room, and more expensive cables run to the engines for the starting power.
Many of the ideas do lend to easily done options--and more profit for the company (more expensive boats).
starcrafttom":3gneq0zs said:
Slight sidetrack: I was thinking along the same lines (anchor light LED but not the other running lights because the alternator would be charging while underway and so why) until someone here (maybe Rogerbum?) pointed out that LEDs also have the advantage of being a lot sturdier - that is, they don't have the breakable filaments that incandescents do. So I put LED sidelight bulbs in just for that "toughness" factor (I left the wiring and fusing appropriate to incandescent bulbs in place, so I can carry the original bulbs for spares).
gradychowan
New member
Yes, yes, and yes...many good ideas. For me, they could start by simply updating the website to include all options they already have. I'm interested in a 16 Angler, but no hull colors are provided, interior colors, the performance data has been "coming soon" forever, and the pictures are too few and outdated (I'm guessing). Never seen a 16 Angler up close so the more information provided via the website, the more easily a potential buyer can see himself at the helm. Too little information keeps it off a potential buyer's short list, especially someone new to the brand. I owned at 22' Cruiser, so I know the boat line, but help me, help you(manufacturer). The first option is give me the option to see what a new one even looks like.
- potti option in the 16 Angler
- wider/safer way to move forward on exterior
- opening forward windows on both 16s
- LED cockpit, forward, and underwater lighting (don't know if any in cabin on 16 or in bow storage area)
- solar charging for LED lighting
- search light(s)
- glass transom, instead of cap
- potti option in the 16 Angler
- wider/safer way to move forward on exterior
- opening forward windows on both 16s
- LED cockpit, forward, and underwater lighting (don't know if any in cabin on 16 or in bow storage area)
- solar charging for LED lighting
- search light(s)
- glass transom, instead of cap
gradychowan
New member
Oh, and pop-up fender ties at the widest points. Be nicer if they were standard.
Captains Cat
New member
Grady, check the Brat List at the top of the page for a 16 near you, contact the owner and go look at one. Good luck!
Charlie
Charlie
gradychowan
New member
Captains Cat":1ahspwum said:
The closest and newest 16 Angler to me (by Brat Map) is 2-1/2 hours away and would be 11 years old...I know I twisted the original intent by using "option" a bit differently, but I wish I could get more info via the website. It makes me wonder why. Making the information more abundant, couldn't hurt new sales.
I miss my C-Dory. :cry :cry
Pat Anderson
New member
Far and away by me, more water. Then put a two gallon hot water heater under the galley, near the galley sink and shower, so not so much hot water is wasted getting it from the port side around to the starboard side (the reason we removed our hot water tank). A Webasto heater option instead of the stupid Wallas stove - heater, the worst of both worlds. 100 - 200 watt solar option. A dedent inverter with an outlet near the galley. Oh, wait, I have already done all those mods except more water and the relocated water heater. But honestly, I think talking to the Wrights is like farting in the wind, sorry just my opinion. They don't get the historical value in the brand and the importance of relations with owners of boats made by prior incarnations of C-Dory. They are 10 miles down the road from me, and it might as well be 1,000 miles. Scott Boysen got it. I was so sorry to see Scott depart. It is the Wrights' company of course but I am no longer a fan or booster. I think they are wrecking the brand.