Exploration Cruise in Southeast Alaska

Greetings,

I have been tossing around the idea of sponsoring a C-Dory/C-Brats cruise through Juneau, Hoonah, Glacier Bay, Elfin Cove, Pelican, Sitka, and Tenakee. It would take about a week, probably starting July 3rd with the fireworks here in Juneau and then departing on the morning of the 4th. If there is any interest in this then please let me know so I can start finalizing some plans and get the word out in time for others to plan to join us.

Todd
 
How will you handle the permits for Glacier Bay for a group of boats?

We may be in that area at about that time if all of our plans go well. But if it is too cold--then further South...
 
Once I find out how much interest there is I was planning on obtaining the permits for at least a few of the larger boats for the trip into Glacier Bay. I doubt that it would work for everyone to drive, but I am sure that there would be enough room for people to spend a day in the bay. If it is possible to get permits for all the boats then we could overnight in the park, but with the limited permits I doubt that would be possible. We would love to have you on the trip if it works out for you. I am hoping that the weather will be like it is today, just warmer. Today is about 25 degrees but clear skies and calm/calm. 8)
 
Great idea Todd and though we can't make it this year hope many others will. This could be turned into a wonderful annual event and one we would make every effort to attend when we are retired. We hope to spend most of the summer in this general area in 2011.

Though its certainly posssible to do this in a week I think with wheather considerations most should plan on having more time then that available. There shouldn't be any problem with some going into Glacier Bay and others maybe checking out the Chichagof Island outer coast and its beautiful bays very close to Pelican and Elfin Cove.

Again great idea for a group cruise,

Jay
 
Jay,

I am thinking of doing something annually. I enjoyed meeting the C-Brats that attended the Factory open house and would like to see something happen for those who are up here, as well as those who would like to join us. Whenever you are in the area give me a call and I'd be happy to show you around...

Todd
 
I am interested but don't know if the timing would work out. We have been on then off about Alaska this year. What's the cruise from Ketchikan to Juneau like? We would probably trailer to Prince Rupert and launch there.

Put us down for a definite maybe.

Warren
 
that sounds like a helluva opportunity for folks to do some quality exploring with the help of local knowledge. Someday, when I get done slaving away at the summer job, the spousal unit & I hope to come up & float around.

what's the going rate to ship a boat to Juneau? I think that might be a good way to go, fly up and jump in your boat & it may not cost much more than boating up.....I suppose another option would be to fly to Juneau and buy a boat :)

i would be cool to see a pod of C-Dorys pull into Elfin Cove
 
We have several rental boats already up here that you could use and save a lot of money over shipping a boat both ways. We don't have a C-Dory yet, but I want to put one into the fleet. If there are enough people who would want to rent a C-Dory then I might be able to get one for this year. I just need to have something to take to the bank. So, if that interests you then let me know.

Todd
 
Doryman":1otjmjz6 said:
I am interested but don't know if the timing would work out. We have been on then off about Alaska this year. What's the cruise from Ketchikan to Juneau like? We would probably trailer to Prince Rupert and launch there.

Put us down for a definite maybe.

Warren

Warren you most likely have read my account of our cruise from Prince Rupert to Juneau and back in 2004. For a refresher here's the link.
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=3243

Also here's the link to the video of that cruise up to where the camera was ruined at Fords Terror.
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=4906

That was a fantastic cruise for us beginners, but in the future when we return to the Juneau area again it will be like our 2003 and 2007 cruises by way of Skagway. Its much shorter by water from the north infact only about 85 miles from Skagway to Juneau. Its a long road trip but one we never tire of. Lots of good options for the trip up and back.

Jay
 
I was just throwing some ideas out Todd, I've been sentenced to many summers of hard labor in Elfin Cove with no time for exploring...for now
 
Warren,

The main issue with launching at Prince Rupert is crossing Dixon Entrance. It is open to the Gulf of Alaska and can be flat calm or really nasty. Once you are across Dixon it is a lot more protected.

From Ketchikan the transit up Clarence Strait is fairly good during the summer months. There can be a pretty good breeze and whitecaps in the afternoons though. If the weather kicks up there are several quaint towns along Clarence Strait: Thorne Bay, Meyers Chuck, Coffman Cove, and slightly off to the East is Wrangell. Each of them would be nice to pull into to avoid weather. At the North end of Clarence Strait around Zarembo Island it can kick up but you can always pass to the lee of Zarembo.

Wrangell narrows has pretty strong currents but is well marked and fairly straitforward to navigate. At the North end of Wrangell Narrows is the town of Petersburg which is a neat town to spend a night in.

The rest of the trip is about like Clarence Strait but there are no towns between Petersburg and Juneau. But, there are lots of coves to pull into if the weather kicks up. Watch out for higher winds coming out of bays and passes. It can really blow sometimes. Taku Inlet, just South of Juneau, is especially bad for winds blowing out of it.

It is about a hundred miles from Prince Rupert to Ketchikan,
A little over a hundred miles from Ketchikan to Petersburg,
And, about a hundred and twenty miles from Petersburg to Juneau.
(If my memory serves me well, please plot it out yourself before making the transit)

If you have any other questions or if there is any other way I can help let me know.

Todd
 
Having 3 round trips by boat to the Juneau area, and once to Skegway/Haynes--I would choose the boat. It is not the best road to be trailering a Tom Cat over--and I would put that on the low end of the possibilities.

Our trips by boat were a sailboat, and we never saw any weather in the 6 crossings of Dixon which would have been a problem for a Tom Cat or C Dory--but it is possible. There are anchorages to wait out weather between Rupert and the crossing--which is not far in itself. (About 12 miles if I recollect correctly) We had more of a problem with fog and gill netters than with wind and seas. From Ketchikan it is about 230 miles to Auke bay (Juneau small boat harbor)--but there are many great places to stop. Myers chuck is first, Thorne Bay, Anan creek bear observation, Wrangell, Wrangrell narrows (no problem, beautiful and follow the markers, watch the tide), Petersburg (stock up on herring, so you can fill up with Halibut at Pybus (Cannery Bay). Then up into Seymour, or Endocot or Tracy arm--perhaps to Ford's Terror, and finally up to Juneau--in other words, although you could do the trip in 3 days, there are lots of places to enjoy and two weeks might be better!

The reason I asked about boat permits, is that the year we went into Glacier bay (and spent 2 weeks there --were able to extend the permit--we had to apply for the permit in January and give the specific day we would arrive. We had to confirm this when we were at sea about 2 months before arriving, and then check in the night before we entered the bay--plus check in at the ranger station. I was under the impression that only 25 private boats were allowed in the bay, and that some of these were reserved to local residents. Is there just a "day" pass, vs the usual yacht pass?
 
Not this year...but another time! Patty's one big regret was that we only got to Ketchikan and did not get to Juneau and the Mendenhall Glacier. Misty Fjords was awesome, but she LOVED the pix of boats right up against the glacier! I loved the whole trip, but regretted that I was on such a tight schedule. So, a few years down the pike, we are so there!
 
thataway":3fr3f0z8 said:
Having 3 round trips by boat to the Juneau area, and once to Skegway/Haynes--I would choose the boat. It is not the best road to be trailering a Tom Cat over--and I would put that on the low end of the possibilities.

Bob

We too have made three round trips to Juneau by boat. One from the South and two from the north or Skagway also many more trips north by road up and down the Alaska and Cazzier Highway's. Have to agree that from the south the Dixon Crossing wasn't all that bad or worry as long as the weather coporated and it did for us. Also yes, the rest of the way is worth spending time beyound just straight cruising. What has really changed in the last 10 years is the condition of the Alaska Highway by way of Prince George, Dawson Creek and Fort Nelson. I think now the worst stretch of either way up is along the Frazer River not to far north of Washington State and the last 80 miles into Price Rupert and the Frazer River section has to be made from the Seattle Area whether going just to Prince Rupert or all the way up to Skagway. I wouldn't now be concerned about pulling a Tom Cat either way, but if I was in Warren's place and hadn't made the trip from Price Rupert to Juneau would go that way first or even just go all the way from the Seattle area by boat if time alllowed.

Now that we have cruised and seen many of the places between Prince Rupert, BC and Skagway, Alaska we prefer to hoard our time for the areas north of Petersburg or Frederick Sound, so where we also enjoy the longer road trip to Skagway that is the reason for our preference for the Skagway route.

Jay
 
Jay, Thanks for the update. Our trip in the RV was 12 years ago, and we clogged up an air filter on the diesel engine before we got to Whitehorse (went via Dawson creek to do the entire "AlCan). (Also plugged up the radiator with mud--even though we washed it everytime we had a chance) The Caasiar was mostly gravel at that time. We also put a good crack in the windshield, and most cars we saw being towed were pretty dinged up (we had a motor cycle on a rack on the back of the RV, rather than towing the car).

I agree that perhaps going directly from WA or even Lund, might be a better option--but time wise, and fuel cost--not sure about that. Of course with the Cal 46 we were traveling at 6 knots, and had enough fuel to do the round trip from Sequim, WA., so we could buy it where cheapest...

We also love the mid section as well as the upper part of the SE part of AK. Time is always a problem....and figured that Prince Rupert might be the quickest over all.
 
In my experience (six SE AK summers so far) Prince Rupert is a great choice for a launch. If you pay attention to wind vs tide, and go when the conditions are reasonable, the Dixon is not that tough at all. PR also has indoor storage for truck and trailer, and the road to PR from the lower 48 is no problem at all. There's so much great cruising between PR and Elfin Cove it's hard to describe adequately.

If you're going to try launching at Skagway, you need a healthy respect for Lynn Canal, some 80 miles of straight channel that very often funnels the wind, creating pretty rough conditions for a small boat. And there are few safe harbors to duck into. A fast boat like a TomCat has a better chance to zip through there safely.

As for a week for that tour out of Juneau, I'd agree that that's awfully short for a small boat, given the weather possibilities. I've picked up guests in Juneau and Sitka many times, and would not agree to much less than two weeks unless the guest was willing to miss a plane.

Here's some info on Glacier Bay and permits:

Glacier Bay

For many cruisers a visit to Glacier Bay is a lifetime goal. Sitting right in front of a tidewater glacier in your own little boat, watching 100 or 200-foot chunks of ice calving into the sea, is an experience never to be forgotten. And the critter-watching is excellent. Visiting Glacier Bay is no trivial undertaking. It is a very big place, and with its huge snow-covered mountains has some of the most challenging weather in Southeast. Distances are great, anchorages are few, and there are several restrictions.

Only 25 boats are allowed in Glacier Bay at a time, and you need an entry permit. Many cruisers make reservations ahead of time, and then find that weather or other difficulties make their schedule unworkable. From our experience, the best way to get a permit may be waiting to call Park HQ at Bartlett Cove until you’re close by (say at Hoonah or in Icy Strait), and the forecast for the next few days looks reasonable. For best odds, call right at 6:00 AM (they’re open 6 AM - 10:30 PM) on either VHF 12 or (907) 697-2627. Chances are fairly good that a cancellation has freed up an entry permit, and you can take advantage of it if you’re nearby and ready. If no permit is available, try again later or the next day – they don’t mind you asking again.

You’ll need a minimum of two days in Glacier Bay to make it to and from the Margerie Glacier. The Margerie, at the top of Glacier Bay some 60 miles from the entrance, is a spectacular and active calving glacier. You can get fairly close to its face, some 200-300 feet high. On the way north, the Lamplugh and Johns Hopkins glaciers are spectacular as well. With a third or fourth day, you could see quite a bit more, at a less frantic pace, and have better odds of dealing with uncooperative weather.

To start your Glacier Bay excursion, you stop in at Park HQ and attend an orientation on do’s and don’ts. As of 2008 the lecture was given only at pre-scheduled times, so you’ll want to plan your first day accordingly. You might try entering the park very early, calling Bartlett Cove to check in when you cross the boundary. Tie up at the float, and catch the 8 AM orientation (bring your National Geographic map of the Bay so you can see details). With good weather, you should be able to make it a good part of the way north, to an anchorage at North Sandy Cove, Blue Mouse Cove, or in front of the glacier in Reid Inlet.

Parts of the bay are considered whale waters, where boat speed is limited to 13 knots. Even with a fast boat, you’ll find that first day pretty full, getting through the entry process and on to an anchorage, unless you anchor right there in Bartlett Cove (the float’s limited to a three-hour stay, except for dinghies). If you anchor, be aware that Bartlett Cove is open to the west, and can get pretty lumpy in a west wind. You could also anchor fairly close at Fingers Bay (enter carefully).

From North Sandy, Blue Mouse, or Reid, you could head north the next morning, spend 2-4 hours at the Margerie Glacier, and come back south to anchor again. As you slowly approach the glacier through fields of bergy bits, keep a sharp lookout for small ones called “growlers”, only a foot or a few feet long, and often nearly clear. These weigh more than you might guess, and can give your boat or your prop quite a thump. The smaller ones make great ice for the cooler.

If you get back to Bartlett Cove for your last evening, and are out of permit days, the following morning you can call and obtain a “transit permit” to leave the park that day.

If the weather sounds intimidating, or you’re able to get only one or two permit days, a nice way to see Glacier Bay is the Fairweather Express tour boat, operated by the park lodge. For about $180 per person (2008), you can have a wonderful day tour, seeing some of the finest glaciers and lots of wildlife, with a friendly crew and on-board naturalist. For us, one ticket cost about the same as touring the bay in our own boat.

Even with only a single day’s permit, you could still enter Glacier Bay, get your orientation, and then anchor in Bartlett Cove. The next day, leaving your boat at anchor, row your dinghy in to the float (motor vessels may not be operated without a permit for that day) and catch the tour boat. On the third day, call for a transit permit when you’re ready to go, and exit the park.

If Glacier Bay doesn’t work out for your cruise, the Tracy Arm, south of Juneau on the east side of Stephens Passage, is a fine alternative. In fact, you might give it a tour even if you’ve already been to Glacier Bay. It’s a particularly beautiful steep-sided fjord, with two tidewater glaciers, lots of icebergs, far less challenging conditions, and few of the complications of Glacier Bay.
 
Richard, thanks for taking the time to provide this great information. I'm also one of those SE wannabee's lurking to one day make the trip(s).
 
Panhandle Powerboats":19zq2z17 said:
We have several rental boats already up here that you could use and save a lot of money over shipping a boat both ways. We don't have a C-Dory yet, but I want to put one into the fleet. If there are enough people who would want to rent a C-Dory then I might be able to get one for this year. I just need to have something to take to the bank. So, if that interests you then let me know.

Todd

Now this opens the door to a thought I've had for awhile. How about a group purchase of a c-dory to be home based in AK. I have no idea now this would best be done. Time share kind of thing? Rental boat? Just don't look forward to pulling mine all the way from Florida and I'm not in the position to outright own two CD's . The idea of being a part owner in a rental boat gives me positive thoughts. Or if Todd would just in his fleet then I could just rent it.

Roger

Roger
 
Over the weekend I was talking with friend who used to live in Petersburg and still spends summers up there commercial fishing. I was planning on cruising the Broughtons for 3 weeks and maybe another 10 days on the West Coast of Vancouver Island. But he mentioned that he thought it would be fun to take the C-Dory up to Petersburg. Some quick calculations in Google Earth show a distance of about 750 nm from Anacortes to Petersburg. If we left around May 20, how many days do you guys think it would take to make the trip? If the weather cooperates I think we could do it in 6-7 days, but that is a lot of long days. I'd spend at least 3 weeks around the Petersburg area and working my way back south. So my question to all you Brats with more experience in the area is what is a realistic time frame for the trip from Anacortes to Petersburg in late May/early June? If this trip works out I sure hope fuel is less expensive than last summer!
 
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